War in Ukraine

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

I wonder if the Russians have a saying similar to "Don't put all your eggs in one basket", but it's more along the lines of "Don't put all your Admirals in one airplane."

[Raptor]

I wonder if the Russians have a saying similar to "Don't put all your eggs in one basket", but it's more along the lines of "Don't put all your Admirals in one airplane."

It is not uncommon in the business world that it is against company policy for key executives to use the same transport (car, plane, bus etc.). Car accidents are much more likely than plane crashes. So even ground transport is included.

Sometimes you have to bend the rules but in this case it would have been so simple to make 2 trips and use that as an excuse to able to haul twice the "sausages". So that is a failure on planning as well as creative graft.   

[Moab]

The Russian military doesn't really trust the grunts to make any type of decisions, which means they require more guidance from higher-ups.

I mean, yeah, if you let the guys at the bottom take initiative and make decisions themselves, they're going to want to keep making decisions when they're out of the military, but they're supposed to shut up and just be good little cogs in the state apparatus.

I offer this video as some insight into the command mentality of the Soviet and likely carries forward to the current Russian Army to some extent.

This is a link to a video discussing a Soviet VIP transport crash that wiped out 16 Soviet Admirals and the entire Pacific Fleet command structure save one admiral who missed the flight.

The plane was piloted by two very competent & experienced flight crew. To make it a short story (see @ 20:25): The Admirals insisted on overloading the plane and loading a heavy roll of news print without proper restraints. The restraints broke, the roll of paper rolled and changed the plane's CG aft to point beyond it's designed capability to fly. This is a pilots nightmare since the plane cannot be recovered. It is generally a death sentence for all aboard.

Before the crash the pilots objected to the overload and were told that they were just drivers, to STFU and do as ordered. They did and everyone died. The pilots had no recourse but still pleasing the boss is stupid way to die.   



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1f47SC_A8

As we all probably already know. Look at WWII and thw Soviet fight against the German invasion. One of the main tactics was a HUGE conscript geound force. But behind each unit was a number of communist party members that had to shoot anyone retreating to get the rest to move along forward. What kind of army is that?!! I mean it eventually worked agaist germany. But that was more about the germans poor equipment and resupplies. That made it so tjey couldnt keep up with the steady pace of the soviets sacrificial conscripts.

Another thing i find interesting is that ukraine had a 780,000 man army from what i read recently. Im sure its for security reasons but wr are not seeing amy footage of them. Only small bands of what appear to be like freedom fighters or something. Not that i disagree but i think its interesting what thw media is allowed to show and not show. Amd the image they want the world to see of this conflict.

I think ukraine is winning with alot more than just small units using guerilla warfare. And considering their recent history i think they have a relatively large and loyal army. That is simply better trained, better supplied and better equipped from wrstern powers than the russians. Yes the laws rockets and sams are making a big difference. But how is ukraine keeping the skies open from the russian air force with such a small air force of their own? And tjey are able to hit ships at sea from land? Quite impressive.

Im also sold on the idea tjat we have many sf units working in the country "training" and directing fire. Not to mention how many "volenteer" sf members are in the foreign fighters leaguon of ukraine. Which would add a level of olausible deniabilty to the situation.

But who knows. We wont know that for another 20 years.

Im interested to know what is really going on. I kmow the russian military is inept and poorly supplied and poorly ourfitted. But i think the powers on the other side are equally better. Meaning i think ukraine and whatever help its getring from its allies in equipment and evenqn power is equally reasonsible for ukraines success thus far.


I apoligize for my horrible typing. Im writing thia on my phone. And dont have the patience to resize this tiny forum and retype things. Im hoping the new uogrades in april will make the forum exoeriwnce on android much better. Anyways. My apologies.

[flybynight]

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia's military said Tuesday it would "fundamentally" cut back operations near Ukraine's capital and a northern city, potentially a significant concession by Moscow amid talks aimed at ending the war that began more than a month ago.

Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin said the move was meant "to increase trust" in talks aimed at ending fighting, as negotiators met face-to-face after several rounds of failed negotiations. But Russia's troops have been bogged down and struggling to make major advances recently.



https://news.yahoo.com/round-talks-aims-stop-fighting-040330623.html

[EBuff75]

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia's military said Tuesday it would "fundamentally" cut back operations near Ukraine's capital and a northern city, potentially a significant concession by Moscow amid talks aimed at ending the war that began more than a month ago.

Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Fomin said the move was meant "to increase trust" in talks aimed at ending fighting, as negotiators met face-to-face after several rounds of failed negotiations. But Russia's troops have been bogged down and struggling to make major advances recently.


https://news.yahoo.com/round-talks-aims-stop-fighting-040330623.html

I'm sure it has nothing to do with how poorly everything has been going for them in that area.   

The suspicious part of my mind wonders if there is still troop movement in Belarus.  A few days ago it was being reported that Belarus was getting ready to enter the war, and Kyiv is closer to their border than to Russia.  Maybe Russia is planning to have Belarus take over operations in that area.

[Raptor]

Granted this has not been confirmed and even if true, it may have not have necessarily been Russians doing the poisoning.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/28/roman-abramovich-ukraine-officials-may-have-been-poisoned-report/

Chemical weapons experts said the symptoms seemed to suggest that the officials were targeted with porphyrin, organophosphates, or bicyclic substances. The experts believe that the dosage used in the attack was deliberately low and that the intent was merely to frighten the targets rather than to cause permanent, irreversible damage, Bellingcat has reported.

Asked about the alleged poisoning, Ukrainian negotiator Mykhailo Podolyak denied the report, saying "there is a lot of speculation, various conspiracy theories."

Still it is amazing the quantity of historic instances of poison being used.

[majorhavoc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws0mMP7uM34

[NT2C]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ1PDP28iHI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66XrGQcKnJc

[majorhavoc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ1PDP28iHI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66XrGQcKnJc

This is Ukraine's Doolittle Raid.

[majorhavoc]

I offer this video as some insight into the command mentality of the Soviet and likely carries forward to the current Russian Army to some extent.

This is a link to a video discussing a Soviet VIP transport crash that wiped out 16 Soviet Admirals and the entire Pacific Fleet command structure save one admiral who missed the flight.

The plane was piloted by two very competent & experienced flight crew. To make it a short story (see @ 20:25): The Admirals insisted on overloading the plane and loading a heavy roll of news print without proper restraints. The restraints broke, the roll of paper rolled and changed the plane's CG aft to point beyond it's designed capability to fly. This is a pilots nightmare since the plane cannot be recovered. It is generally a death sentence for all aboard.

Before the crash the pilots objected to the overload and were told that they were just drivers, to STFU and do as ordered. They did and everyone died. The pilots had no recourse but still pleasing the boss is stupid way to die.   



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1f47SC_A8

Just to be fair, misuse of military aircraft isn't unique to our esteemed service comrades in glorious Russian motherland.  Far less serious outcome, I'll grant you.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/usaf-investigates-hurricane-hunters-wc-130j-super-hercules-crew-for-unplanned-stop-to-pick-up-vintage-bmw-motorcycle-at-marthas-vineyard-airport/

[Lambykins]

I've been reading and seeing reports that Russia may soon close it's borders...not to keep people out, but to keep it's own citizens from leaving.
Apparently loads of Russians (especially among the tech types) are desperately looking to leave as they fear there will be crackdowns on freedoms they currently have, the financial issues, etc.
B-u-u-u-u-t-t-t-t-t....many countries (especially in the EU) are not letting them in because of current sanctions. Some are heading for Dubai (if they have the money...that place is expensive). Finland is letting some in on a 3 month tourist visa, but they can't work.
Plus, the issue that many have is they can't move what money they have to banks outside Russia...again, sanctions.

[NT2C]

April Fools! Russia admits it may have gone too far in 'friendly prank' on Ukraine

[Moab]

April Fools! Russia admits it may have gone too far in 'friendly prank' on Ukraine

Lmfao!!! Good one.

[Johan]

The massaker in Bucha with both mass graves and bodies in the streets, makes me wonder what has been/is happening in other towns/cities controlled by the Russians...
This wasn't just a reaction to being driven  back, some  of those bodies had been laying in the street and other places for a long time...
Also there are some  credible reports of rapes in various locations...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-retreat-leaves-trail-slain-civilians-town-near-kyiv-2022-04-02/

[Moab]

The massaker in Bucha with both mass graves and bodies in the streets, makes me wonder what has been/is happening in other towns/cities controlled by the Russians...
This wasn't just a reaction to being driven  back, some  of those bodies had been laying in the street and other places for a long time...
Also there are some  credible reports of rapes in various locations...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-retreat-leaves-trail-slain-civilians-town-near-kyiv-2022-04-02/

Im so sorry for my typing below. I cant seem to get my keyboars customized right on my samsung with curved edge acreen. Only thing i hate about samsungs. I wish they would just kill that feature.



I heard the russians went into one town amkilled all males of military age. Like 16 to 45 or whatever ages ukraine is drafting. I have heard about rapes too. One that was videotaped by the russians of a young girl.

The latest viseo of the Ukraine soldiera shooting Russian aoldiers inhand cuffa in the knees make more sense now. Not that its right at all. But if you just saw Russian troops killing civilians or raping them. I could at least see the motivation. There is also video of the charred remains of people near where they shot tje Russians in the knees. But no oroof who burned the bodies oe if tjey were connected. Conjecture was the ukrainian trooos shot them im their legs, killed them and burned the bodies.

Its getting brutal. Scroll down and watch the video of the ukranian troops shooting the captive russian troops in their legs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/28/ukraine-russia-pow-video/


Heres another video of the aftermath.


https://youtu.be/bIzTE3zzSMk

These were downloaded from telegram. Anyone know where on Telegram to stay uo to date on whats being posted about tje war?

[aikorob]

russians hit refinery in Odesa
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/odessa-rocked-by-explosions-as-russia-claims-strikes-on-oil-refinery-fuel-depots/ar-AAVNAyz
https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/04/03/russian-high-precision-land-and-sea-missiles-destroyed-a-refinery-and-three-fuel-depots-in-odessa/

[Moab]

CNN just showed video of a mass grave and dead bodies littering tje streets of Bucha, Ukraine. Wjere the Russiams have just withdrawn from. The mayor reports 300 civilians killed. Homes looted. A body in one mans backyard, tied up hand and foot, totured, covered in bruises and shot to death. Some calling it genocide.

But if nothing else it sounds likw russian teoops have just wwii slash and burn style. This is so far out there to me. I thought this kind of behavior was left in the 40s. The images and video are just horrific.

[Raptor]

I wish this behavior was left in the 40's. However, many modern conflicts in the Balkans, Africa, the Middle East and Asia say otherwise; some as recent as 2020.

I am not justifying anything, but do note this war has a lot of irregular combatants. That is always problematic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10680875/Two-Russian-troops-dead-28-hospital-POISONED-laced-Ukrainian-buns.html

[Johan]

I just found this translation of the rambling Official Kremlin propaganda of  "De-Nazification" and "De-Ukainification" spiel from the state newspaper RIA Novosti that they are using to indoctrinate the Russian public and motivate the war, and war-crimes (like what took place in Bucha) with..

It shows the methods and techniques of the Kremlin (as a bad actor with close to 100% media control) so I think it's important to see how they operate. 

Although to us it might seem a bit farcical, and hard to believe that people fall for this, the really scary part is that a lot of them do..

Remember before opening the link that this is Kremlin's propaganda for domestic consumption, by a populace that has been fed similar lies for a while so its not exactly subtle..


https://cryptodrftng.substack.com/p/day-40-what-russia-should-do-with?s=r






 

[Anianna]

I just found this translation of the rambling Official Kremlin propaganda of  "De-Nazification" and "De-Ukainification" spiel from the state newspaper RIA Novosti that they are using to indoctrinate the Russian public and motivate the war, and war-crimes (like what took place in Bucha) with..

It shows the methods and techniques of the Kremlin (as a bad actor with close to 100% media control) so I think it's important to see how they operate. 

Although to us it might seem a bit farcical, and hard to believe that people fall for this, the really scary part is that a lot of them do..

Remember before opening the link that this is Kremlin's propaganda for domestic consumption, by a populace that has been fed similar lies for a while so its not exactly subtle..


https://cryptodrftng.substack.com/p/day-40-what-russia-should-do-with?s=r

They didn't waste any time vilifying the entire population of Ukraine to set the stage for their slaughter of anybody and everybody they encountered:

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely its majority - is mastered and dragged by the Nazi regime into its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work.