After many weeks of trying to buy a used vehicle in a third world country. I have given up and am buying a new car. I wanted a used Toyota Hilux. Not happening. I'll go into it if you want to be bored and frustrated. New or used they are way cheaper than a Toyota Tacoma (and better) but still out of my price league.

Figured out a new car with warranty. And without a very questionable maintenance and mileage history. Was the only way to go. So that meant small economy car. Which kind of brought me to the best of both worlds. A small, very economical, very capable 4x4 - in the Suzuki Jimny.

It's the modern day Suzuki Samurai. That we had in the US back in the 80s and 90s. I had one in the 90s. Got it for $1500. And drive it from Seattle to LA, all over Baja Mexico. Until the lack of a temp gauge and my stupidity killed it.

I also drove it off road all over the PNW. It routinely did better than my grandfather's Toyota pickup up in very deep snow and mud. It could not have been more rudimentary. But that was it's beauty. Simple, capable and cheap. Now they go used for $20k plus! No shit. As capable as they are off-road. They are a great alternive to a much more expensive side by side.

Not much has changed. Except they got an automatic transmission, a couple airbags, some nicer seats, and a half assed 7 inch entertainment system. That is so bad a new stereo and more than two paper speakers will be one of my first upgrades. They've continued to be one of the most sought after cars in the middle east, Australia, and all over Asia. Not to mention their country of origin Japan.

New they are $23,684 out the door. Everything included. Plus free registration and insurance for 3 years. And a 3 year 100,000 kilometer warranty. A used Hilux was going to cost me close to $30,000. With a very questionable maintenance (no screw that - it for sure would not have had the oil changed. No one maintains anything here!) and unknowable mileage.

So I'm relaxed knowing I have a new car and a warranty. Auto repairs here can be a nightmare too. And it's really good off-road. Best if all it gets 47mpg!

I'm getting the Medium Grey color. Not the greatest. But any other color comes with a 3 month wait. As the Grey was the only model I could find on mine or any other island. They are always sold out. And everyone is on a waiting list.

Pics to follow. Mine will be the grey not the hideous noen green they call yellow. But those were the only interior pics I could find.

Now I'm mobile. And can easily travel to anywhere I want, whenever I want. Happy to say the least. Shopping for a car has been a nightmare here.

Specs:

The 2025 Suzuki Jimny 3-Door in the Philippines is a compact 4x4 SUV powered by a 1.5L K15B gasoline engine producing 101 hp and 130 Nm of torque. It features a 5-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission, comes in different variants like GL and GLX, and offers features such as a 9-inch infotainment system, LED headlights, and cruise control in higher trims. Key dimensions include a length of 3,650 mm and a 210 mm ground clearance, with a durable, retro-inspired exterior and 4x4 capabilities. 
Engine & Transmission
Engine: 1.5L K15B Gasoline Engine
Horsepower: 101 hp
Torque: 130 Nm
Transmission Options: 5-Speed Manual (GL variant) or 4-Speed Automatic (GLX variants)
Drivetrain: Suzuki 4x4 All Grip Pro
Dimensions & Capacity
Length: 3,650 mm
Width: 1,645 mm
Height: 1,725 mm
Wheelbase: 2,250 mm
Ground Clearance: 210 mm
Seating Capacity: 4 seats
Fuel Tank Capacity: 40 L
Exterior & Interior
Design: Rugged, retro-inspired, boxy silhouette with a vertical-slat grille
Lighting: Round LED projector headlights
Wheels: Steel wheels on base models, 15-inch alloy wheels on higher trims
Tailgate: Side-hinged tailgate with a full-sized spare wheel
Interior: Durable fabric seats with classic yet refined feel
Technology & Convenience (GLX trims)
Infotainment: 9-inch multimedia system with USB and Bluetooth
Convenience: Cruise control and rear parking sensors
Lighting: Automatic LED headlights
Performance
Angles: 37° Approach, 49° Departure angles for off-road capability
Stability: Stability control for improved maneuverability

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Quote from: Moab on September 10, 2025, 01:19:27 PMIt's the modern day Suzuki Samurai. That we had in the US back in the 80s and 90s. I had one in the 90s. Got it for $1500. And drive it from Seattle to LA, all over Baja Mexico. Until the lack of a temp gauge and my stupidity killed it.

I also drove it off road all over the PNW.

Samuri, that brings back memories. Of pain.

My good friend had one, he loved it. But me at 6'4" riding shotgun and feeling every little bump in the road and jamming my knees into the dashboard didn't love it so much. 

I can't imagine off roading a samuri with that wheelbase and suspension.

Do you have a local bank and financing? or how does that work?
I've heard that repairs aren't that expensive over there as far as labor and fabrication. Parts I don't know. To bad you couldn't get that grey man used one. Shiny and new, how about some dish soap cammo rattle can?

When I was a kid, my brothers had a Suzuki Samurai and a Suzuki Brat with the rear facing seats in the back.

I thought the Brat was the coolest vehicle ever back then, but now that I'm older I realize it may have been a total crap heap since it spent more time being repaired than it did on the road.

Change of plans. I'm getting the Jungle Green one. Much better color! Not this exact one. Mine is new and won't have dark window tinting like that.

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Quote from: Moab on September 10, 2025, 01:19:27 PMIt's the modern day Suzuki Samurai. That we had in the US back in the 80s and 90s. I had one in the 90s. Got it for $1500. And drive it from Seattle to LA, all over Baja Mexico. Until the lack of a temp gauge and my stupidity killed it.

I also drove it off road all over the PNW.

Samuri, that brings back memories. Of pain.

My good friend had one, he loved it. But me at 6'4" riding shotgun and feeling every little bump in the road and jamming my knees into the dashboard didn't love it so much. 

I can't imagine off roading a samuri with that wheelbase and suspension.

Do you have a local bank and financing? or how does that work?
I've heard that repairs aren't that expensive over there as far as labor and fabrication. Parts I don't know. To bad you couldn't get that grey man used one. Shiny and new, how about some dish soap cammo rattle can?

The new Samurai (Jimny) is much more accommodating. I'm 6'4" on a good day too. I didn't have any problems with my Samurai. But the new Jimny is a very different car on the interior. Pretty much the same mechanically with a few computerized touches and mechanical refinements. But the interior is much larger and much more comfortable. The Samurai had cheap thin plastic seats like in an old Toyota pickup. These are thick fabric seats. With plenty of leg and headroom. More than the Hilux actually.

Off-road it's actually superior. Believe it or not. Great approach angles. And it's lightweight works in its favor. As does the short wheelbase. Lots of videos on YT putting it against other full size 4x4s. And it holds its own if not outpacing other world class competition. It's why guys are paying 20k-30k for the old used Samurais. It's crazy what they go for now. I originally bought the Samurai because I was young and poor. But didn't realize how good it was in 4x4 until driving it up into the mountains around my grandparents place. Dead of winter, steep mountain logging roads, for or more of snow - no problem. I would go places my grandfather wouldn't with his 4x4 Toyota pickup. They work very very well as off-road vehicles. They have an entire cult following in the off-road world.

Buying the Jimny new here has actually been a pleasure. It's a simple car with few options. 3 door or new 5 door (same engine just weighs more and has more cargo space. But...same engine.), AT or MT. And beyond that it's just choosing your color. From like 5 choices.

Dealers here. Unlike in the US. Will compete fully against each other. Each dealership is a franchise. And share nothing with each other. Especially inventory. There is a national auto website where you can send one request for a new car purchase estimate to as many dealers as you like. I sent one to the five nearest dealerships.

Pitting them against each other I got the price down. And got:

Final price 1,350,000 (about $23680 USD) including VAT, LTO registration, and dealer charges.

Including these extras:

3 Years LTO Registration
3 Years CTPL Insurance
3 Years Warranty or 100,000km whichever comes first
1 Year Comprehensive Insurance
US Grade Platinum Tint
Suzuki Floor Matting
Safety Kit
Tire Removal Kit
Autocentrale Carbon Fiber Umbrella
1 Year Caltex Discount Card
Leather Booklet
VIP Discount on Labor for 1st 3 PMS

They are also shipping it to my island free of charge.

3 years of registration. Which saves about $79 a year. But more important it's a nightmarish multi day process. 3 years of liability insurance. And 1 year of probably limited comprehensive insurance.

And an umbrella! Lmao!

I sent the reservation deposit tonight. And will travel to Cebu City by ferry next week. Once my transfer and cashier's check is ready. It takes 1-2 days for the cashier's check to clear. Then they will ship it in a 2 hour ferry ride to me.

So this time next week I should be driving. Whew! What a process. I thought looking for a car was difficult in the US. But looking for used was both frustrating, exhausting and in the end impossible. I'm glad buying new went so smooth. And I got the color I actually wanted in the first place without any wait.

I've got some upgrades in mind. But for starters just a roof rack and new speakers. And two additional speakers in the back. A two speaker stereo system. Some things about the Samurai have not changed. Lol.

The thing I like about this vehicle is it meets the initial goals I set out looking for. A simple car that is great off-road and has 4x4. Originally I wanted something from the 80s to the 90s. With low miles. Well maintained. Before they started making more money off parts and repairs than the actual new car price. When everything got engineered to go bad after a certain interval. So you would be forced to fix it. And something without 10000 extra parts that did the same.

The Jimny has been largely unchanged since the 80s. And that's a good thing here. Simple, easy to fix, cheap parts and upgrades. And good 4x4. Great gas mileage. Rugged. And a warranty. No worries about undocumented miles or lack of maintenance.

It's not a Land Cruiser. But like everything else here - it's good enough. I can buy an old shitty truck when I have a place in the mountains to haul dirt, or lumber or whatever. Trying to find a dependable driver and a farm truck was just asking to much. I saved a good 7 or 8k. And had no way of ensuring the much more expensive vehicles maintenance or mileage.

Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on September 10, 2025, 05:47:22 PMWhen I was a kid, my brothers had a Suzuki Samurai and a Suzuki Brat with the rear facing seats in the back.

I thought the Brat was the coolest vehicle ever back then, but now that I'm older I realize it may have been a total crap heap since it spent more time being repaired than it did on the road.

The main problem with the Samurai is lack of guages. There is no temp gauge for anything. Not oil, radiator or transmission. I hope to add at least oil and radiator temp guages. Still researching upgrades. But that's on the too of my list.

Funny story. Mine blew a freeze plug, iirc, and the engine blew. I took it to the dealership to confirm. And at the time you get a 30k mile used Japanese engine installed for about $600. Which I had done. Suzuki didn't like that. So they offered to replace my engine with a brand new one, if I signed over legal rights to sue the importer that sold me the engine. I felt shitty. But I was young and very poor. And got a brand new Suzuki engine installed at the dealership. For free. 

Which later blew in Los Angeles because of overheating. Because my dumbass (nor Suzuki) never put a heat gauge in! 

But I drove all over WA mountains, to CA and all over LA, down to Mexico and back. It had a hard top. But it had t tops. So it was sort of a convertible most of the time. I honestly loved that car. It was like my VWs. Little, great gas mileage, tin cans. But man good on dirt roads and snow and mud. And they just keep going. I drive the shit out of those cars. 

I guess in that sense I am somehow reliving part of my youth here. But this Jimny is much nicer than either of them. I hope it lasts as long. If I don't get a temp guage installed you can call me young and stupid. Lmao! 

I once put a deposit down on one, but pulled out because not quite big enough for 4 people camping, even with a roof box (which previous owners of the old version will already know). Good for 1 to 2 people but even then might still need a roof box. Test drive was fun though, just on normal roads. It was a really fun car to drive.

The Japanese also make a home (kei) version with a different engine (smaller, less power, but turbo) that is cheaper, but has more trim spec options. The local dealerships over here make at least 10K extra profit than they should on each unit, compared to Japan.

There is a 5 door option now. But same motor as the 3 door. More room for rear passengers. And more cargo space in back.

But same motor.

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I was amazed at how much more room there was inside. Even in the traditional 3 door version. Compared to my 90s Suzuki Samurai. And the overall build quality is just on another level compared to the Samurai. Mechanically it's very similar tho. Simple 4 cyl. Real 4x4. Nice interior actually. The Samurai had what I would graciously call a spartan interior. Lol. Did you know they've been making this vehicle since 1968? I think it's the oldest car still in production.

The thing is it's the only 4x4 with an automatic transmission, in the Philippines, except luxury trucks and SUVs that start at 35k USD. This is 23k USD. Less if you want manual. So it hits a sweet spot here.

Very capable off road vehicle. World renowned for it's 4x4 abilities. Like a cult following in four wheel drive communities in the US and AU. But it gets 47 mpg. And is about 5000 times simpler than anything in that $35k+ category. Way less parts to break or that are hard to replace. A dead simple, very reliable economy car. But with some cargo space. And very good four wheel drive.

With the roads here, and the flooding, and unexpected nature of an undeveloped country. Or at least a country with very subpar infrastructure. It's a no brainer.

Especially since you can't buy a used car here either. Because there is no way to verify mileage or maintenance. Long story. But no one maintains their vehicles here, everyone gets their odometer rolled back, and no one saves or is even willing to share any receipts.

Really different culture in that way. The poor in the US have a history of maintaining quality things so they last a long time. But in the PH they seem to drive until it can't anymore. And then fix as cheaply as possible. Until it doesn't drive.

Quote from: Moab on September 19, 2025, 07:53:55 AMBut in the PH they seem to drive until it can't anymore. And then fix as cheaply as possible. Until it doesn't drive.

Depends on the person too.  My aunt used to do this, and she was a college professor with a PhD!  She just didn't pay any attention to any kind of maintenance.  I remember her having several cars with locks on the trunk punched out because it was cheaper to have a mechanic do that (and open them with a screwdriver) than it was to have them properly fixed.  And there were always a few dents and scrapes, because why-bother-to-fix-it-it'll-just-happen-again!

Yeah the 5 door version has more space. I don't think it looks as good as the 3 door, unless you get a few specific paint colours.
 
The 5 door is still not big enough for a camping car for four people- as tents and bedding, and other stuff take up a lot of space. Unless you want to sleep on a yoga mat. Bedding just takes up a lot of room. (Unless you do those backpack trekking small inflatable mattresses with no foam). But then there's still coolers full of food/drink to pack. And Cold Steel special forces shovels- to dig toilet holes, and throw like tomahawks into trees (better than tomahawks as have more edges to stick). Camping with people you need games to play- sometimes board games, sometimes campfire throwing games.

But like I said, it's a fun car to drive. If you like it you end up with a smile on your face after driving it.

Quote from: Red Tamarillo on September 19, 2025, 09:44:32 AMYeah the 5 door version has more space. I don't think it looks as good as the 3 door, unless you get a few specific paint colours.
 
The 5 door is still not big enough for a camping car for four people- as tents and bedding, and other stuff take up a lot of space. Unless you want to sleep on a yoga mat. Bedding just takes up a lot of room. (Unless you do those backpack trekking small inflatable mattresses with no foam). But then there's still coolers full of food/drink to pack. And Cold Steel special forces shovels- to dig toilet holes, and throw like tomahawks into trees (better than tomahawks as have more edges to stick). Camping with people you need games to play- sometimes board games, sometimes campfire throwing games.

But like I said, it's a fun car to drive. If you like it you end up with a smile on your face after driving it.

I don't think I would camp with four people short of a Suburban. That is a lot of gear. Agreed. 

The 5 door would be cool if they put any one of the bigger motors Suzuki has from it's line up in it. But the 3 door is already pretty underpowered. There a few turbo kits made for it. That depending on who you talk to either makes it great or sucks. So I don't really know. But putting the same engine in it as the 3 door was a fail. And why I didn't pay the extra three grand so for it. I would have appreciated the extra cargo room. And the seats are easily removable. Not so with the 3 door. I think you have to literally unbolt them. 

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Quote from: Moab on September 19, 2025, 07:53:55 AMBut in the PH they seem to drive until it can't anymore. And then fix as cheaply as possible. Until it doesn't drive.

Depends on the person too.  My aunt used to do this, and she was a college professor with a PhD!  She just didn't pay any attention to any kind of maintenance.  I remember her having several cars with locks on the trunk punched out because it was cheaper to have a mechanic do that (and open them with a screwdriver) than it was to have them properly fixed.  And there were always a few dents and scrapes, because why-bother-to-fix-it-it'll-just-happen-again!

My ex-wife had a Toyota MR2 when we met. A Toyota sports car basically. Little 2 seat, rear engine. But with a surprisingly deep large trunk. It had 200k on it. And I don't think she ever changed the oil. Just gas and go. 

It was on its last leg. Shortly after we got together I donated it. A friend wanted it. It was so bad I wouldn't even give it to him. Lol.

But the trunk was locked and no key. Before donating it I forced it open with a screwdriver. And found a two foot think pile of old mail. She had literally packed the trunk full to the very top with old envelops of mail. Before losing room and losing the key. Lol. Kind of said something about her I ignored for decades. Lmao! 

@NT2C This is another example of getting a notification email for my own post to a thread I started. If this isn't valuable to you. My apologies. Just ignore it.

Rewriting this as it was confusing:

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Not a problem or issue for me. Just thought you'd want to know.

Quote from: Moab on September 20, 2025, 03:57:48 AM

Quote from: Red Tamarillo on September 19, 2025, 09:44:32 AMYeah the 5 door version has more space. I don't think it looks as good as the 3 door, unless you get a few specific paint colours.
 
The 5 door is still not big enough for a camping car for four people- as tents and bedding, and other stuff take up a lot of space. Unless you want to sleep on a yoga mat. Bedding just takes up a lot of room. (Unless you do those backpack trekking small inflatable mattresses with no foam). But then there's still coolers full of food/drink to pack. And Cold Steel special forces shovels- to dig toilet holes, and throw like tomahawks into trees (better than tomahawks as have more edges to stick). Camping with people you need games to play- sometimes board games, sometimes campfire throwing games.

But like I said, it's a fun car to drive. If you like it you end up with a smile on your face after driving it.

I don't think I would camp with four people short of a Suburban. That is a lot of gear. Agreed.

The 5 door would be cool if they put any one of the bigger motors Suzuki has from it's line up in it. But the 3 door is already pretty underpowered. There a few turbo kits made for it. That depending on who you talk to either makes it great or sucks. So I don't really know. But putting the same engine in it as the 3 door was a fail. And why I didn't pay the extra three grand so for it. I would have appreciated the extra cargo room. And the seats are easily removable. Not so with the 3 door. I think you have to literally unbolt them.

Yeah it's weird they didn't put a more powerful engine in, as most people are using it as an around town runabout, only a few as a serious off road. 

Re car camping- meant more for a weekend. 3 to 4 people. I can get 3 people and all the stuff needed in a Forester with a large roof box. Other trips have been in a bigger SUV with a 2 wheel trailer (people brought along a couple of dirtbikes). Haven't needed a serious 4WD to get to the spots we've been going- dirt roads, with ruts occasionally (from people with big tyres), next to rivers (dirty brown with steep banks). 

But can gather wood and sit around open fires on camp chairs under stars, and cook food on those metal plates with little legs that you put coals under with a long handled shovel.

Special forces shovel, silky saw, forest axe, Fiskars hatchet, home made slingshots for miles. Bow one time but easy to loose arrows in long grass.
Electric chainsaw as well, same batteries power some of the lanterns. (The chainsaw cuts most of the wood).

Talking about it, I need to plan another trip.

You'd be surprised how many off-road with these in AU. Most of the members on the Facebook groups. Are pretty serious outback dudes. I got it delivered tonight. Pretty cool. Got to take a longer look at it. I love how simple and very utilitarian it is. Like this is what an off-road 4x4 should be. Not a luxury vehicle. Most of the modern 4x4s have become so luxury I couldn't imagine getting them dirty. Lush cream leather, wood dash parts. And a price target to match. This is the only 4x4 in the PH with an automatic transmission that doesn't start at twice the cost. Like $20,000 vs $40,000. I wanted a Hilux. But they are so full of luxury and bs parts and systems you really need to use. They are like a luxury car.Only weird thing tonight when I took delivery was the front left tire was a different brand than the rest. Bridgestone instead of Dunlop. So they swap it for the full spare. Taking it back to the neighboring island. Putting the correct tire on. And sending it back on the ferry tomorrow. 

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Nice.
Should you think about putting a hidden kill switch or airtag in it?

Yes. Kill switch, air tag, get home bag, emergency kit, dash cam, I brought most of that with me. I did just find a simple kill switch too. 

Here's some better pics I took this morning:

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It's a very cool vehicle. Especially as a bug out vehicle. If you think about it. Affordable. Half the price of any other 4x4 with an automatic transmission. At least for here. Since used vehicles aren't an option. Probably better options in the US. If you find an older, simpler 4x4 with an automatic transmission. Go check out Bring A Trailer. That site is amazing. So many better well cared for, low mileage, older, better cars for way cheaper than new. 

It's also very utilitarian. What a "sport utility vehicle" was supposed to be. I think the Jeep TJ or XJ were the last vehicles that actually were that. Something simple enough and repairable enough to be used in the middle of nowhere. And still be able to be repaired and maintained. And to keep going.

The Jimny doesn't waste space or expense on anything unnecessary. Simple 4 cylinder fuel injected engine. Solid axles and decent 4x4. An interior that's maximized with simple material and tough plastics. That neither take up to much room. Or to fancy to not be hosed off. The bare essentials in tech. Cruise control is about the only luxury. 

The sound system is usable. Although reports are the Bluetooth and speakers suck. I haven't gotten to fully test the Bluetooth. I did connect to it. Played Spotify. But it did not automatically connect next I started the car up. Could be just a setting. But many complaints about it cutting out frequently during playback. 

The speakers are loud enough you can hear. But I have detailed plans for changing the two 4 inch paper speakers to 5.25s. And adding two 6.5 inch in the rear. Which it's oddly enough already wired for. The head unit is very rudimentary. Like the cheapest first smart phone you ever bought. Maybe even simpler. It does have a cool inclinometer. But the real test will be seeing if I can get android auto work and keep the Bluetooth connected. Automatically. 

If not, I'll put an android head unit in. 

The back cargo area and the front seats have an amazing amount of space. One of few Asian cars that fits my big ass. And the back, with the seats down, is huge. The plastic trim and speaker covers are at a minimum. Most of the interior space is taken right out to the body panels. No space is wasted. Which also means it could probably benefit from a healthy dose of sound deadening. Which many have done. And I did to my Jeep TJ. 

I will for sure add some polyfil in speaker areas. And will seriously consider removing the interior and applying sound deadening to much of the body. 

But I want to drive it awhile before doing any of this. Figure out what really needs improving. Prioritize it. And decide how much time and money I want to spend on each. 

Probably the first thing will be new all terrain tires and a lift. A lift is less for ground clearance and more for body roll and handling. Old Man Emu makes a 1.5 inch lift kit for the Jimny. New springs and shocks. That dramatically improves handling. And the cheap street tires. Are well... Cheap. I found the same Falken Wildpeak AW3 all terrain tires here that I have on my last two Jeeps. They are a $100 less expensive that BF Goodrich or Wrangler. And close or just as good as either of those two top options. They look way better. Handle way better. Wear way better. And are not $250 per tire. Actually $150.

But all in with the lift and tires I'm looking at about $2500-$3000. Speakers and head unit less than $500.

The Jimny has been being manufactured since 1968. And the current version since 2019. So there are a plethora of aftermarket parts and accessories. I ordered a ton of stuff off Lazada and AliExpress. Alot of storage trays and other items that take advantage of the limited storage that is stock. And the large amount of open spaces. They also make a really nice plastic center console armrest. Inexpensive good quality deep dish rubber mats throughout. A phone holder that bolts into the grab bar in the dash. Same with multiple cupholders. This car screams accessories. And many aftermarket companies produce dirt cheap accessories that are good quality in Asia. AU, Africa, India and Asia are the main market for this car. 

I will also probably put a roof rack on. But simple, lightweight and cheap. There are many on the market.

But again, I want to drive it for awhile.

The buying process was absolutely brutal. I will never buy from the dealership I got it from ever again. If anyone asks me where I bought it. I will refer them to another dealer in the same city. I agreed to price and all inclusions. Did not negotiate anything. And went thru the most brutal process trying it just get proper paperwork. In the end I got all 4 of the ridiculously simple one page documents that are legally required here. And I still don't know what the advantage of this was. Or why they made the buying process so brutally lengthy and ridiculously difficult. Without a shred of any friendliness or anything even bordering customer service. But I spent days negotiating tiny, incremental, but legally necessary, improvements in documents. It was just unbelievable. I'm still honestly traumatized from it. Things like removing dates or titles. Or not including the vin. Like super simple obvious things that needed to be there. And they would f with you for days trying to get them.

I'm hoping that experience will lift from my consciousness over the next few days. And I will be able to actually start enjoying this car. But I never want to go thru that again.

Quote from: Moab on September 25, 2025, 01:30:06 AMAnd will seriously consider removing the interior and applying sound deadening to much of the body.

I saw some videos about this as I was considering it for my car, but the labor/cost to dbl reduction ratio didn't seem worth it. See if you can youtube it. It's was something like 8hrs labor, 400 dollars materials, to get 5 dbl reduction.

Quote from: Moab on September 25, 2025, 01:30:06 AMOr why they made the buying process so brutally lengthy and ridiculously difficult.

Didn't you say something about the dealers having sort of a monopoly?