Des Moines Water Works today will begin implementing Stage 1 of its Water Shortage Plan because of drought-induced low river levels and record-breaking customer demand for water.

Des Moines Water Works Implements Water Shortage Plan

There's more than a little worry here, not just me

Definitely concerning. Any new developments?



(Because you put out this information I began looking into my increasing my own water preps just in case.)

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on June 28, 2021, 12:05:19 AMDefinitely concerning. Any new developments?  (Because you put out this information I began looking into my increasing my own water preps just in case.)

It rained fairly well the last week or two.  It seems to have dropped of the radar with events in Miami.  The rationing on lawn watering is still in effect & Saylorville Lake is closed for swimming now due to blue/green algae

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 03, 2021, 06:42:16 PM

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on June 28, 2021, 12:05:19 AMDefinitely concerning. Any new developments?  (Because you put out this information I began looking into my increasing my own water preps just in case.)

It rained fairly well the last week or two.  It seems to have dropped of the radar with events in Miami.  The rationing on lawn watering is still in effect & Saylorville Lake is closed for swimming now due to blue/green algae

Have they had blue/green algae before ?

Quote from: flybynight on July 03, 2021, 08:19:10 PM

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 03, 2021, 06:42:16 PM

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on June 28, 2021, 12:05:19 AMDefinitely concerning. Any new developments?  (Because you put out this information I began looking into my increasing my own water preps just in case.)

It rained fairly well the last week or two.  It seems to have dropped of the radar with events in Miami.  The rationing on lawn watering is still in effect & Saylorville Lake is closed for swimming now due to blue/green algae

Have they had blue/green algae before?

Not at Saylorville, but Clear Lake has had a huge problem in the past.  I hear farm runoff is the cause.

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 03, 2021, 10:26:50 PM
Not at Saylorville, but Clear Lake has had a huge problem in the past.  I hear farm runoff is the cause.

This if a huge problem all over the world, farmers looking to produce more dump more fertilizer, which in rain or over watering doesn't soak into the ground and runs off. Farmer doesn't see results of fertilizer and does it again.

Not really blaming the small farmer, hell they probably know better or use better fertilizer. It's the mega Corp farm that needs to produce X yield per X acre. I have a feeling it's only going to get worse.

Blue-green algae, technically known as cyanobacteria, are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams. Under certain conditions, blue-green algae can become abundant in warm, shallow, undisturbed, nutrient-rich surface waters that receive a lot of sunlight. When this occurs, blue-green algae can form blooms that discolor the water, or produce floating mats or scums on the water's surface. It might be a harmful blue-green algae bloom if the water is blue-green, green, yellow, white, brown, purple, or red, has a paint-like appearance, or if there is scum on the water surface. Photo gallery of blue-green algae blooms.

What are the potential health effects of blue-green algae and blue-green algal toxins?
Some blue-green algae can produce toxins, some do not. However, exposure to any blue-green algae blooms can cause health effects in people and animals when water with blooms is touched, swallowed, or when airborne droplets are inhaled. Exposure to high levels of blue-green algae and their toxins can cause diarrhea, nausea or vomiting; skin, eye or throat irritation; and allergic reactions or breathing difficulties.


https://health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/bluegreenalgae/faq.htm

Quote from: flybynight on July 04, 2021, 06:25:39 AM
Blue-green algae, technically known as cyanobacteria, are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams.

<snip>

It might be a harmful blue-green algae bloom if the water is blue-green, green, yellow, white, brown, purple, or red, has a paint-like appearance, or if there is scum on the water surface.

<snip>

Some blue-green algae can produce toxins, some do not. However, exposure to any blue-green algae blooms can cause health effects in people and animals when water with blooms is touched, swallowed, or when airborne droplets are inhaled. Exposure to high levels of blue-green algae and their toxins can cause diarrhea, nausea or vomiting; skin, eye or throat irritation; and allergic reactions or breathing difficulties.


https://health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/bluegreenalgae/faq.htm

What if....
- I am stranded without running water and the toxic blue/green algae water is the only water available.

Will my...
- LifeStraw personal filter make it safe for me? (&LifeStraw gravity filter) here
- Sawyer Mini Water Filtration System? here
- Berky Water filter black purification filter? here If no, what if I also add the white floride/arsenic filter?
here

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on July 04, 2021, 10:59:16 PM

Quote from: flybynight on July 04, 2021, 06:25:39 AMBlue-green algae, technically known as cyanobacteria, are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams.

<snip>

It might be a harmful blue-green algae bloom if the water is blue-green, green, yellow, white, brown, purple, or red, has a paint-like appearance, or if there is scum on the water surface.

<snip>

Some blue-green algae can produce toxins, some do not. However, exposure to any blue-green algae blooms can cause health effects in people and animals when water with blooms is touched, swallowed, or when airborne droplets are inhaled. Exposure to high levels of blue-green algae and their toxins can cause diarrhea, nausea or vomiting; skin, eye or throat irritation; and allergic reactions or breathing difficulties.


https://health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/bluegreenalgae/faq.htm

What if....
- I am stranded without running water and the toxic blue/green algae water is the only water available.

Will my...
- LifeStraw personal filter make it safe for me? (&LifeStraw gravity filter) here
- Sawyer Mini Water Filtration System? here
- Berky Water filter black purification filter? here If no, what if I also add the white floride/arsenic filter?
here

F**K!!

I don't have a plan for this!

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 04, 2021, 11:40:39 PM
F**K!!

I don't have a plan for this!

Do you have a car? (Sincere question. I know some people don't.)

I know you've got a bugout bag.

Leaving town just sucks and may not feel like a good plan. But I bet you could if needed.

Quote from: Halfapint on July 04, 2021, 03:10:22 AM

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 03, 2021, 10:26:50 PM
Not at Saylorville, but Clear Lake has had a huge problem in the past.  I hear farm runoff is the cause.

This if a huge problem all over the world, farmers looking to produce more dump more fertilizer, which in rain or over watering doesn't soak into the ground and runs off. Farmer doesn't see results of fertilizer and does it again.

Not really blaming the small farmer, hell they probably know better or use better fertilizer. It's the mega Corp farm that needs to produce X yield per X acre. I have a feeling it's only going to get worse.

I can't speak for the corporate operations, but low/no-till processes seem to be catching on with family farms.

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on July 04, 2021, 10:59:16 PM

Quote from: flybynight on July 04, 2021, 06:25:39 AM
Blue-green algae, technically known as cyanobacteria, are microscopic organisms that are naturally present in lakes and streams.

<snip>

It might be a harmful blue-green algae bloom if the water is blue-green, green, yellow, white, brown, purple, or red, has a paint-like appearance, or if there is scum on the water surface.

<snip>

Some blue-green algae can produce toxins, some do not. However, exposure to any blue-green algae blooms can cause health effects in people and animals when water with blooms is touched, swallowed, or when airborne droplets are inhaled. Exposure to high levels of blue-green algae and their toxins can cause diarrhea, nausea or vomiting; skin, eye or throat irritation; and allergic reactions or breathing difficulties.


https://health.ny.gov/environmental/water/drinking/bluegreenalgae/faq.htm

What if....
- I am stranded without running water and the toxic blue/green algae water is the only water available.

Will my...
- LifeStraw personal filter make it safe for me? (&LifeStraw gravity filter) here
- Sawyer Mini Water Filtration System? here
- Berky Water filter black purification filter? here If no, what if I also add the white floride/arsenic filter?
here

http://help.lifestraw.com/en/articles/3696367-can-lifestraw-products-protect-against-cyanotoxins-cyanobacteria

https://www.purewaterproducts.com/water-problems/algae-and-cyanobacteria

https://www.survivopedia.com/how-to-build-a-gypsy-well-and-a-filter-water-more-easily/


Best I could find.  You would still have to boil or filter the water  from the gypsy well.

Best bet would be only use running water sources.

So from reading those sources it seems:

• Particle filters (like the Lifestraw or the Sawyer Mini) will take out whole bacteria, but any dissolved toxins that have escaped from eg. dead bugs will still get through;
• Carbon filters will scrub out most but not all of the remaining dissolved toxins

This page gives some more ideas:
https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/summary-cyanotoxins-treatment-drinking-water

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 04, 2021, 11:49:43 PM

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 04, 2021, 11:40:39 PMF**K!!

I don't have a plan for this!

Do you have a car? (Sincere question. I know some people don't.)

I know you've got a bugout bag.

Leaving town just sucks and may not feel like a good plan. But I bet you could if needed.

I can be on the road in 20 min if need be.  Is this something that RO could handle?

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 07, 2021, 12:11:40 AM

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 04, 2021, 11:49:43 PM

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 04, 2021, 11:40:39 PMF**K!!

I don't have a plan for this!

Do you have a car? (Sincere question. I know some people don't.)

I know you've got a bugout bag.

Leaving town just sucks and may not feel like a good plan. But I bet you could if needed.

I can be on the road in 20 min if need be.  Is this something that RO could handle?

What's RO? Google provided me a list of 86 possible answers and none make sense. 

Except possibly restraining order.

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 07, 2021, 12:20:28 AM
What's RO? Google provided me a list of 86 possible answers and none make sense. 

Except possibly restraining order.

I expect, in context, "reverse osmosis".

Quote from: boskone on July 07, 2021, 10:38:03 AM

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 07, 2021, 12:20:28 AMWhat's RO? Google provided me a list of 86 possible answers and none make sense.  Except possibly restraining order.

I expect, in context, "reverse osmosis".

Yes, Reverse Osmosis.  I hear it called the best way to purify water, but really...it depends on the water & what might be in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 07, 2021, 09:11:16 PM

Quote from: boskone on July 07, 2021, 10:38:03 AM

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 07, 2021, 12:20:28 AMWhat's RO? Google provided me a list of 86 possible answers and none make sense.  Except possibly restraining order.

I expect, in context, "reverse osmosis".

Yes, Reverse Osmosis.  I hear it called the best way to purify water, but really...it depends on the water & what might be in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AFAIK, the primary downside of RO filtration is that for home systems it wastes about half the water.  E.g. if you filter 1 gallon, you'll get 1/2 gallon of pure water and 1/2 gallon of even nastier water will get output into the sewer.

Quote from: boskone on July 07, 2021, 09:16:59 PM

Quote from: MPMalloy on July 07, 2021, 09:11:16 PM

Quote from: boskone on July 07, 2021, 10:38:03 AM

Quote from: RoneKiln on July 07, 2021, 12:20:28 AMWhat's RO? Google provided me a list of 86 possible answers and none make sense.  Except possibly restraining order.

I expect, in context, "reverse osmosis".

Yes, Reverse Osmosis.  I hear it called the best way to purify water, but really...it depends on the water & what might be in there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AFAIK, the primary downside of RO filtration is that for home systems it wastes about half the water.  E.g. if you filter 1 gallon, you'll get 1/2 gallon of pure water and 1/2 gallon of even nastier water will get output into the sewer.

hmmm....

Due to recent storms, the water restrictions have been lifted.  I hope it's not temporary