Moab posted a video in the Bargains sub forum and thought a budget BOB knife thread would be a good idea. So here we are.
I'm not sure exactly what budget would entail since everyone has their own ideas of what "budget" means. I'd figure if the knife is under 50 bucks, it could be considered a "budget" blade.
ETA: Here's the video Moab posted.
https://youtu.be/fEj51XRgcTU
I'm not particularly sophisticated about blades, owning mostly Gerber and Schrade knives. I'm almost embarassed to say this, but the Ganzo Firebird is the best knife I own. Definitely a step up from the Gerber folders.
Ganzo Firebird (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003631037404.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.11.77afd54fbVkE5R)
The last Gerber folder I owned was one of those Gator ones with the rubberized handle. This would've been back in like the late 90's and I think one of my brothers borrowed it and never returned it.
I've got a couple Gerber fixed blades now and they're not bad for the money. One (a Gerber Prodigy) rides on my plate carrier and the other two (Gerber Freemans) I rotate as part of my EDC.
Quote from: majorhavoc on May 03, 2022, 07:36:05 PMI'm not particularly sophisticated about blades, owning mostly Gerber and Schrade knives. I'm almost embarassed to say this, but the Ganzo Firebird is the best knife I own. Definitely a step up from the Gerber folders.
Ganzo Firebird (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003631037404.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.11.77afd54fbVkE5R)
I have one of those sitting right here on my desk. Sharpest knife (right out of the box) that I've ever purchased! I mainly use it to open mail and after several years of that, it's still as sharp as new. I tried to buy another one last fall, only to have the company send me the (same) wrong knife twice. I gave up at that point, but I may try again sometime.
Great video; definitely some food for thought there.
I have two: one is the "Rough Use Knife" from *shudder* Cheaper Than Dirt that I purchased years ago. (Only God can judge me, we all have to start somewhere, etc. etc.) It has held up pretty well, 13.5" overall length, made from a single piece of steel. Grip is so-so, sheath is absolute garbage, but the price point was a no-brainer and it has taken a considerable amount of abuse. Looks mall ninja, but gets the job done.
My more recent purchase was a Morakniv companion. I'm still wondering why I was such a late adopter. It's much smaller, but much more useful. The grip is like an extension of my hand, the blade is sharp, holds an edge, and is easy to touch up. Sheath is great; a simple, no non-sense piece of plastic with a belt clip, a bit of retention, and a drain hole...vital when working with stainless steel.
EDC has been a Gerber Paraframe for years...I went with the partially serrated blade, and I use it daily. It has a nice pocket clip that has stayed tight.
My only Kabar knife was a Big 5 Sports exclusive that Kabar would later stop production of because it wasn't a great knife.
The blade developed a pretty significant bit of play and the lock would occasionally get stuck. And this was after only a small amount of use. It mostly rode in my pocket and was occasionally used.
I called Kabar and the nice CS lady told me that Kabar was aware of the issues and apparently it was only a problem with the Big 5 exclusive model. Kabar eventually discontinued that particular version and Big 5 got a different exclusive model.
It kind of soured me on Kabar's folders for a long time after that.
In a world where $10 Moras exist I can't imagine getting anything else for a budget BOB knife; even if it does cost another $20 to get a decent sheath for one.
Quote from: RonnyRonin on May 03, 2022, 09:31:45 PMIn a world where $10 Moras exist I can't imagine getting anything else for a budget BOB knife; even if it does cost another $20 to get a decent sheath for one.
Even at 30 bucks total, a Mora with a decent sheath is still a pretty good deal.
Anyone have any experience with the American Buffalo Knife and Tool stuff Midway USA recently started selling ?
The knives look pretty good to me and most of them are under 50 bucks (the only ones I've seen over 50 are the ones with fancy Damascus blades. Not sure if they're actual Damascus or just have a Damascus finish) and they've got decent reviews on them.
Biggest complaint I've seen on them is the country of origin, but that's a common thing I've seen on a lot of products and not just these knives.
Quote from: RonnyRonin on May 03, 2022, 09:31:45 PMIn a world where $10 Moras exist I can't imagine getting anything else for a budget BOB knife; even if it does cost another $20 to get a decent sheath for one.
Yeah, kind of unavoidable. I don't particularly like Mora but they're ridiculously cost effective.
Given their cult status on BCUSA I think a possible contender for "luxury budget" status at like $50 could be an Ontario pilot knife, but that probably needs touching up out of the box.
Quote from: Lodewijk on May 05, 2022, 02:15:13 PMQuote from: RonnyRonin on May 03, 2022, 09:31:45 PMIn a world where $10 Moras exist I can't imagine getting anything else for a budget BOB knife; even if it does cost another $20 to get a decent sheath for one.
Yeah, kind of unavoidable. I don't particularly like Mora but they're ridiculously cost effective.
Given their cult status on BCUSA I think a possible contender for "luxury budget" status at like $50 could be an Ontario pilot knife, but that probably needs touching up out of the box.
I've got one of those Ontario pilot knives and I can vouch for it needing some touch up work. At least on the edge anyway.
It's not razor sharp out of the box, but with a little work it can be.
My definition of budget knives are generally the free ones my husband has picked up at certain trade shows.
Another interesting one might be the Glock field knife, because those are ~$30. Might work for some people.
I feel like there's two main powerbands under $100 - Mora for cheap, and like Varusteleka's puukko or a Mora Garberg for not as cheap.
My go bag knife is a 140 from Varusteleka, personally.
Quote from: Lodewijk on May 06, 2022, 05:48:18 PMAnother interesting one might be the Glock field knife, because those are ~$30. Might work for some people.
I feel like there's two main powerbands under $100 - Mora for cheap, and like Varusteleka's puukko or a Mora Garberg for not as cheap.
My go bag knife is a 140 from Varusteleka, personally.
Completely forgot about Varusteleka! Their knives look amazing. Even though I'm not in the market, I always check that part of the site when I visit. Such a cool, underrated company.
I had to look up the Varusteleka 140 and that's a nice looking knife. :smiley_clap:
Joker makes fine affordable knives also. Maybe not budget though
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/9345596E-FF05-4D27-A17B-FC32D0C26B8A/?_encoding=UTF8&store_ref=SB_A075844510CD3MDAGXPE7&pd_rd_plhdr=t&aaxitk=b70e8025e1dc650a3261b78c11b27b76&hsa_cr_id=1276903390601&lp_asins=B07V5XV71W%2CB07V86RQR5&lp_query=joker%20knife&lp_slot=auto-sparkle-hsa-tetris&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_ssd_logo&pd_rd_w=qOG4R&pf_rd_p=488a18be-6d86-4de0-8607-bd4ea4b560f3&pd_rd_wg=Fubrr&pf_rd_r=9FSFD5G6SNA1R09GHTV5&pd_rd_r=6d833642-cbde-4b20-9e94-11dca8b6be59
Quote from: majorhavoc on May 03, 2022, 07:36:05 PMI'm not particularly sophisticated about blades, owning mostly Gerber and Schrade knives. I'm almost embarassed to say this, but the Ganzo Firebird is the best knife I own. Definitely a step up from the Gerber folders.
Ganzo Firebird (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003631037404.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_groupList.8148356.11.77afd54fbVkE5R)
I have a very similar knife. Its a knock off of a very famous $350 knife made by chris reeves. I got mine for $17. They've since gone up to $22. But this is the nicest and sharpest knife I own. A SUPER deal for $22. Nicer than my spyderco or benchmade bugout. Great vehicle knife that you could replace cheaply.
Land 911 Pocket Knife Folding Knife 12C27 Blade G10 Handle Liner Lock Pocket EDC Knife (Army Green,G10) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y42TZ6W/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_J0Q18VEBDTPSA8BYRACP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I don't think you could go wrong with this for $26!
Gerber Gear Ultimate Knife, Tactical Knife with Fire Starter, Sharpener, and Knife Sheath, 4.75" Blade (31-003941) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085JXWCBP/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_4KBVM1W4TGQ92QJAAGTN
Its about halfprice. And the brother knife to the Gerber strongarm. But in stainless. I wouldn't hesitate to use this as a main bob knife. But even as a throwaway, leave it in your car knife, its an amazing deal. And at least its not Bear Grylls branded! Lol
Mora's:
I have a beautiful mora military. Its a classic mora with 4" blade and fat green handle. Its my go to hiking blade. It weighs nothing. And is SUPER sharp.
I just wish it was fulltang. Why they dont spend another $1.25 on the rest of the handles steel. To make it fulltang. Is beyond me. Only short by a couple inches from being a fulltang knife. And then they sell the fulltang version (garberg?) for like $70(?)!
If they spent the extra pennies to make the standard mora fulltang. And charge another two dollars. It would be the best knife in America. Or at least one of the top 5. Thats the only fear that a vast majority of folks have. That keeps them from buying mora's. Is that its not fulltang.
I don't use my knives to split wood. But I still shy away from using a mora as my main get out of dodge knife. As I just can't get behind a rat tail knife. Even my old Kabar leaves me wanting. I know neither have probably ever broken. But I still have that voice in my head. That says if I can only have one shtf knife do I want a full tang or not? And so it goes.
Quote from: Moab on May 07, 2022, 06:09:59 PMI don't think you could go wrong with this for $26!
Gerber Gear Ultimate Knife, Tactical Knife with Fire Starter, Sharpener, and Knife Sheath, 4.75" Blade (31-003941) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085JXWCBP/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_4KBVM1W4TGQ92QJAAGTN
Its about halfprice. And the brother knife to the Gerber strongarm. But in stainless. I wouldn't hesitate to use this as a main bob knife. But even as a throwaway, leave it in your car knife, its an amazing deal. And at least its not Bear Grylls branded! Lol
Mora's:
I have a beautiful mora military. Its a classic mora with 4" blade and fat green handle. Its my go to hiking blade. It weighs nothing. And is SUPER sharp.
I just wish it was fulltang. Why they dont spend another $1.25 on the rest of the handles steel. To make it fulltang. Is beyond me. Only short by a couple inches from being a fulltang knife. And then they sell the fulltang version (garberg?) for like $70(?)!
If they spent the extra pennies to make the standard mora fulltang. And charge another two dollars. It would be the best knife in America. Or at least one of the top 5. Thats the only fear that a vast majority of folks have. That keeps them from buying mora's. Is that its not fulltang.
I don't use my knives to split wood. But I still shy away from using a mora as my main get out of dodge knife. As I just can't get behind a rat tail knife. Even my old Kabar leaves me wanting. I know neither have probably ever broken. But I still have that voice in my head. That says if I can only have one shtf knife do I want a full tang or not? And so it goes.
I've seen those full tang Moras, but the price always drives me away from them.
At 70 bucks, there's other knives that perform just as well as a Mora or better. I know Condor makes a pretty good line of knives within the same price range as the full tang Mora (not sure what the model is called either.) and they're designed to have the crap beat out of them.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on May 07, 2022, 06:29:50 PMQuote from: Moab on May 07, 2022, 06:09:59 PMI don't think you could go wrong with this for $26!
Gerber Gear Ultimate Knife, Tactical Knife with Fire Starter, Sharpener, and Knife Sheath, 4.75" Blade (31-003941) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085JXWCBP/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_4KBVM1W4TGQ92QJAAGTN
Its about halfprice. And the brother knife to the Gerber strongarm. But in stainless. I wouldn't hesitate to use this as a main bob knife. But even as a throwaway, leave it in your car knife, its an amazing deal. And at least its not Bear Grylls branded! Lol
Mora's:
I have a beautiful mora military. Its a classic mora with 4" blade and fat green handle. Its my go to hiking blade. It weighs nothing. And is SUPER sharp.
I just wish it was fulltang. Why they dont spend another $1.25 on the rest of the handles steel. To make it fulltang. Is beyond me. Only short by a couple inches from being a fulltang knife. And then they sell the fulltang version (garberg?) for like $70(?)!
If they spent the extra pennies to make the standard mora fulltang. And charge another two dollars. It would be the best knife in America. Or at least one of the top 5. Thats the only fear that a vast majority of folks have. That keeps them from buying mora's. Is that its not fulltang.
I don't use my knives to split wood. But I still shy away from using a mora as my main get out of dodge knife. As I just can't get behind a rat tail knife. Even my old Kabar leaves me wanting. I know neither have probably ever broken. But I still have that voice in my head. That says if I can only have one shtf knife do I want a full tang or not? And so it goes.
I've seen those full tang Moras, but the price always drives me away from them.
At 70 bucks, there's other knives that perform just as well as a Mora or better. I know Condor makes a pretty good line of knives within the same price range as the full tang Mora (not sure what the model is called either.) and they're designed to have the crap beat out of them.
Condor Bushlore? I just saw ine for $65. Can't beat that price.
I think it was the Bushlore, Moab. I haven't really looked much at Condor's stuff in the past couple years, but I also haven't really bought that many knives lately.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on May 07, 2022, 07:38:52 PMI think it was the Bushlore, Moab. I haven't really looked much at Condor's stuff in the past couple years, but I also haven't really bought that many knives lately.
That guy gideonstactical has so many reviews of great knives around $50-$75. I just don't see the use for a knife anymore expensive than that. I subscribe to all the major knife retailers email subscriptions. So I see every manner of knife come thru. And it amazes me the sheer amount and cost of so many knives.
I can see buying something as a collectors item. But for me knives are a utilitarian tool. There's nothing a $550 knife can do - that a $50 one can't.
Unless it's a full on custom or a historical blade, I don't foresee myself spending a ton of money on a knife or sword.
I remember when Boker did their run of folders using steel taken from the German battleship Bismarck and I was interested in getting one, but then I saw the price.
No way in hell am I dropping 5 grand pocket knife, which is what the Boker Bismarck folders went for. :eek1:
Quote from: Moab on May 07, 2022, 06:09:59 PMIf they spent the extra pennies to make the standard mora fulltang. And charge another two dollars. It would be the best knife in America. Or at least one of the top 5. Thats the only fear that a vast majority of folks have. That keeps them from buying mora's. Is that its not fulltang.
Sure, and if $100 got me from a unibody to a body on frame car I'd pay that as well; but things seldom cost what we want them to, and certainly more than the raw materials cost.
The price difference between a classic and a garberg is probably 5% the price of the steel and 90% the cost of handle construction; I think rat tail knives are just much cheaper to produce handle wise which is a disproportionate percentage of the knife price.
Green river knives are the closest thing I've found to a USA made full tang mora replacement; and its $20 without a sheath. Nice thin blade (like a mora) and a little extra length; I have one as my camp kitchen knife and its pretty promising as a general purpose woods knife; but the lack of aftermarket kydex sheaths is a downer. If you are inclined toward DIY leather its probably a great option.
Correct, going to something beyond a rat tail jammed into a molded plastic handle adds significant cost.
It's not the materials, it's the additional number of operations required in production.
I've made exactly one knife sheath in my life and I really don't trust it to securely carry a knife.
That's mostly because of the thread I used and my lack of skills.
I also ran out of suitable leather (I used an old military ammo pouch and there wasn't a lot of useable material) and just never got around to buying any more.
I think I lost a post. So here goes a second attempt.
There's a guy on etsy called Nay Leather out of UT. I've used him to make several sheaths. And he charges very little. I had him make two knife sheaths. One for an esee 5 and one for a helle. Both were $30 each. And a pistol holster with mag pouch for $45. And he does excellent work. I've never found anyone cheaper or with as good a quality. I sent him my knives and a dummy of my pistol. And a pic of similar sheaths and holsters that I wanted.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Nayscustomleather
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On Mora's:
I'm no knife maker. But I don't see what a huge deal it would be to cut out an extra 1-2 inch end on the blade blanks. And mold around it as I assume they do. Injection mold around the tang I mean.
Its so close as it is. Even if it was 5 more dollars. (Which is what 50% of the knifes current price? So realistically it might be $2.50 or $3 more?) I think their knives would be the go to knife by most in the outdoor world.
As anything thicker is almost overkill. So you've got one of the most lightweight knives. I love this knife for hiking and backpacking. Because of how lightweight they are. And the quality of their steel seems more than enough. Not to mention, I think the full rubber grips are the best. The standard mora with the indents on the side are ok. But my military version is a full roundish rubber handle. (Like the 3rd one down in the pic below.) That gives me more grip than any other knife I own.
And again, I "don't" think the short tang takes anything away from the knife. I don't baton with a knife. Nor do I think its necessary.
*But I think the perception in most peoples minds is that the Mora is a "backup" knife or a hunting or fishing knife. But because of its short tang. Takes it out of the running as a primary survival knife.
So I still don't understand why they cut out half of their market over 1-2 inches of steel?
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Quote from: Moab on May 10, 2022, 06:41:34 PMI think I lost a post. So here goes a second attempt.
There's a guy on etsy called Nay Leather out of UT. I've used him to make several sheaths. And he charges very little. I had him make two knife sheaths. One for an esee 5 and one for a helle. Both were $30 each. And a pistol holster with mag pouch for $45. And he does excellent work. I've never found anyone cheaper or with as good a quality. I sent him my knives and a dummy of my pistol. And a pic of similar sheaths and holsters that I wanted.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Nayscustomleather
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On Mora's:
I'm no knife maker. But I don't see what a huge deal it would be to cut out an extra 1-2 inch end on the blade blanks. And mold around it as I assume they do. Injection mold around the tang I mean.
Its so close as it is. Even if it was 5 more dollars. (Which is what 50% of the knifes current price? So realistically it might be $2.50 or $3 more?) I think their knives would be the go to knife by most in the outdoor world.
As anything thicker is almost overkill. So you've got one of the most lightweight knives. I love this knife for hiking and backpacking. Because of how lightweight they are. And the quality of their steel seems more than enough. Not to mention, I think the full rubber grips are the best. The standard mora with the indents on the side are ok. But my military version is a full roundish rubber handle. (Like the 3rd one down in the pic below.) That gives me more grip than any other knife I own.
And again, I "don't" think the short tang takes anything away from the knife. I don't baton with a knife. Nor do I think its necessary.
*But I think the perception in most peoples minds is that the Mora is a "backup" knife or a hunting or fishing knife. But because of its short tang. Takes it out of the running as a primary survival knife.
So I still don't understand why they cut out half of their market over 1-2 inches of steel?
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I'm a pretty shitty knifemaker, but I'm like 95% sure you'd start seeing broken handles on Bushcraft Instagram. People do baton Moras.
I think people will baton with Moras more because they're so cheap that they really don't care if the blade breaks. It breaks, you buy a new one and continue whacking the crap out of it. That's part of the allure of a Mora.
It's almost like people are more likely to beat the crap out of a cheaper knife than they will a more expensive one.
I bought three (I think) 'Schrade SCHF10 Drop-Point Full Tang Fixed Blade Knifes' because it's the best feeling full tang knife I've ever handled. $30. And I love the micarta handle.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41bXnngAdBL._AC_.jpg)
No idea if there's a newer style or if it's no longer a thing, but I have one in my bag, another in another bag, and I think a third is hanging in my camping gear.
Quote from: Lodewijk on May 10, 2022, 07:35:54 PMQuote from: Moab on May 10, 2022, 06:41:34 PMI think I lost a post. So here goes a second attempt.
There's a guy on etsy called Nay Leather out of UT. I've used him to make several sheaths. And he charges very little. I had him make two knife sheaths. One for an esee 5 and one for a helle. Both were $30 each. And a pistol holster with mag pouch for $45. And he does excellent work. I've never found anyone cheaper or with as good a quality. I sent him my knives and a dummy of my pistol. And a pic of similar sheaths and holsters that I wanted.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Nayscustomleather
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On Mora's:
I'm no knife maker. But I don't see what a huge deal it would be to cut out an extra 1-2 inch end on the blade blanks. And mold around it as I assume they do. Injection mold around the tang I mean.
Its so close as it is. Even if it was 5 more dollars. (Which is what 50% of the knifes current price? So realistically it might be $2.50 or $3 more?) I think their knives would be the go to knife by most in the outdoor world.
As anything thicker is almost overkill. So you've got one of the most lightweight knives. I love this knife for hiking and backpacking. Because of how lightweight they are. And the quality of their steel seems more than enough. Not to mention, I think the full rubber grips are the best. The standard mora with the indents on the side are ok. But my military version is a full roundish rubber handle. (Like the 3rd one down in the pic below.) That gives me more grip than any other knife I own.
And again, I "don't" think the short tang takes anything away from the knife. I don't baton with a knife. Nor do I think its necessary.
*But I think the perception in most peoples minds is that the Mora is a "backup" knife or a hunting or fishing knife. But because of its short tang. Takes it out of the running as a primary survival knife.
So I still don't understand why they cut out half of their market over 1-2 inches of steel?
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I'm a pretty shitty knifemaker, but I'm like 95% sure you'd start seeing broken handles on Bushcraft Instagram. People do baton Moras.
So you think you'd see more Mora's broken with fulltangs? Rather than how they are made now?
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on May 10, 2022, 07:58:33 PMI think people will baton with Moras more because they're so cheap that they really don't care if the blade breaks. It breaks, you buy a new one and continue whacking the crap out of it. That's part of the allure of a Mora.
It's almost like people are more likely to beat the crap out of a cheaper knife than they will a more expensive one.
Oh. I'm not saying people won't beat the shit out if moras. I think they will regardless if they are fulltang or not. I just don't treat my knives that way.
I'm just saying they'd be even more popular than they are already are - if they had a fulltang. I think people would trust them more as a main survival knife. I don't often see them used as a principle survival knife. Unless its the fulltang garberg. Or whatever its called.
Mora's are so damn nice. I really like everything about them. Except that last inch or two of missing steel. I think that makes a big difference in alot of peoples minds. Whether it actually changes hiw much you can beat one up or not. I don't know. I just think that missing inch of steel leaves to many people windering whether it would or not. Its like the one complaint you always hear about them. But seems so easy to change.
I wonder if that is just a Scandinavian thing? Leaving steel out if the end of a knife i mean.
Quote from: Moab on May 10, 2022, 10:54:26 PMQuote from: Lodewijk on May 10, 2022, 07:35:54 PMQuote from: Moab on May 10, 2022, 06:41:34 PMI think I lost a post. So here goes a second attempt.
There's a guy on etsy called Nay Leather out of UT. I've used him to make several sheaths. And he charges very little. I had him make two knife sheaths. One for an esee 5 and one for a helle. Both were $30 each. And a pistol holster with mag pouch for $45. And he does excellent work. I've never found anyone cheaper or with as good a quality. I sent him my knives and a dummy of my pistol. And a pic of similar sheaths and holsters that I wanted.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/Nayscustomleather
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On Mora's:
I'm no knife maker. But I don't see what a huge deal it would be to cut out an extra 1-2 inch end on the blade blanks. And mold around it as I assume they do. Injection mold around the tang I mean.
Its so close as it is. Even if it was 5 more dollars. (Which is what 50% of the knifes current price? So realistically it might be $2.50 or $3 more?) I think their knives would be the go to knife by most in the outdoor world.
As anything thicker is almost overkill. So you've got one of the most lightweight knives. I love this knife for hiking and backpacking. Because of how lightweight they are. And the quality of their steel seems more than enough. Not to mention, I think the full rubber grips are the best. The standard mora with the indents on the side are ok. But my military version is a full roundish rubber handle. (Like the 3rd one down in the pic below.) That gives me more grip than any other knife I own.
And again, I "don't" think the short tang takes anything away from the knife. I don't baton with a knife. Nor do I think its necessary.
*But I think the perception in most peoples minds is that the Mora is a "backup" knife or a hunting or fishing knife. But because of its short tang. Takes it out of the running as a primary survival knife.
So I still don't understand why they cut out half of their market over 1-2 inches of steel?
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I'm a pretty shitty knifemaker, but I'm like 95% sure you'd start seeing broken handles on Bushcraft Instagram. People do baton Moras.
So you think you'd see more Mora's broken with fulltangs? Rather than how they are made now?
lmao what? no. If they cut the tang a bunch of inches
shorter you'd see people abuse them and pop the blade out of the handle somehow.
Then they'd post MORA MYTH SHATTERED FAITH IN GOD LOST or some equally stupid shit to the grams for internet points
Or do you mean leave the tang full when you say "cut out an extra 1-2 inches" on the blanks?
Quote from: Beowolf on May 10, 2022, 10:32:55 PMI bought three (I think) 'Schrade SCHF10 Drop-Point Full Tang Fixed Blade Knifes' because it's the best feeling full tang knife I've ever handled. $30. And I love the micarta handle.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41bXnngAdBL._AC_.jpg)
No idea if there's a newer style or if it's no longer a thing, but I have one in my bag, another in another bag, and I think a third is hanging in my camping gear.
Thats a really nice looking knife. Seems like it might compete really well with other 5 inch(?) blades. And for a fraction of the cost.
I keep coming back to this new philosophy of "sometimes enough is enough". Meaning sometimes you don't need to "buy once, cry once". You just need a tool thats "good" enough.
Good enough to get the job done. And then spend that extra money you would have blown on something else you need - worse than the nicest highend knife around. Or whatever thing your looking at buying.
I really feel this way with knives lately. Some of them are so ridiculously expensive. For basically the same thing. A sharpened piece of "good" steel. Do I really need a $300 knife? I don't want a $10 knife. Its probably a POS. Made out of sheet metal. But damn. For $50 (or even $30.) you can get a pretty good knife. And for $75 your at like 95% of the quality of the most expensive. Anyway. I'll "try" to stop ranting. Lol.
My thing about batoning wood is. Why aren't you just picking up smaller sticks?! Are you in some wasteland where every small stick in all the trees were burned off? And all you've got left are arm size pieces? Lol.
I've never had the need to baton a piece of wood. I've needed an axe or hatchet before to get to dryer wood inside a large piece. But besides building shelter. I don't see the need to use a knife like an axe or hatchet. And just about every bushcraft or knife review video shows someone batoning wood. I honestly don't get it. I really don't need my knife to double as a hatchet. Anyway.
I've never tried to sharpen a blade like that one above. How does it work sharpening that with a flat stone?
Quote from: Moab on May 10, 2022, 11:20:07 PMQuote from: Beowolf on May 10, 2022, 10:32:55 PMI bought three (I think) 'Schrade SCHF10 Drop-Point Full Tang Fixed Blade Knifes' because it's the best feeling full tang knife I've ever handled. $30. And I love the micarta handle.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41bXnngAdBL._AC_.jpg)
No idea if there's a newer style or if it's no longer a thing, but I have one in my bag, another in another bag, and I think a third is hanging in my camping gear.
Thats a really nice looking knife. Seems like it might compete really well with other 5 inch(?) blades. And for a fraction of the cost.
I keep coming back to this new philosophy of "sometimes enough is enough". Meaning sometimes you don't need to "buy once, cry once". You just need a tool thats "good" enough.
Good enough to get the job done. And then spend that extra money you would have blown on something else you need - worse than the nicest highend knife around. Or whatever thing your looking at buying.
I really feel this way with knives lately. Some of them are so ridiculously expensive. For basically the same thing. A sharpened piece of "good" steel. Do I really need a $300 knife? I don't want a $10 knife. Its probably a POS. Made out of sheet metal. But damn. For $50 (or even $30.) you can get a pretty good knife. And for $75 your at like 95% of the quality of the most expensive. Anyway. I'll "try" to stop ranting. Lol.
My thing about batoning wood is. Why aren't you just picking up smaller sticks?! Are you in some wasteland where every small stick in all the trees were burned off? And all you've got left are arm size pieces? Lol.
I've never had the need to baton a piece of wood. I've needed an axe or hatchet before to get to dryer wood inside a large piece. But besides building shelter. I don't see the need to use a knife like an axe or hatchet. And just about every bushcraft or knife review video shows someone batoning wood. I honestly don't get it. I really don't need my knife to double as a hatchet. Anyway.
I've never tried to sharpen a blade like that one above. How does it work sharpening that with a flat stone?
The blade is 5 3/8" measured from the top of the handle to the tip. It's hard to get the curve near the top of the handle, but with some angling, it can get sorta done. To get the rest, it's just a lot of wrist action following the curve of the blade on the stone.
Not only does this one
feel good, it's a full length tang. I *have* batoned with it, just to see what goes on (had never done that before), and it worked really well. I think it's 1/4" thick, so it's hefty. I had previously purchased the SCHF9 and hated it. This one was so good, as mentioned, I bought more.
I totally forgot - for $25 you can get a Bundeswehr-issue utility knife. Which is just a large-frame swiss army knife, made by a handful of manufacturers (Victorinox included).
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/bw-pocket-knife-with-thumb-hole-surplus/26776
I think they've got that wavy serration thing Victorinox does, but still. A regular old Camper is $30 and a One-Hand Trekker or a Forester will run around $55. Pretty cost-efficient.
You lose out on the saw but for a budget knife that shouldn't be a terrible compromise. I like the saws on my SAKs but honestly they're a nice-to-have.
But I am also a SAK nerd and always have one on me. Other people may find less utility.
Quote from: Lodewijk on May 12, 2022, 09:14:53 AMI totally forgot - for $25 you can get a Bundeswehr-issue utility knife. Which is just a large-frame swiss army knife, made by a handful of manufacturers (Victorinox included).
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/bw-pocket-knife-with-thumb-hole-surplus/26776
I think they've got that wavy serration thing Victorinox does, but still. A regular old Camper is $30 and a One-Hand Trekker or a Forester will run around $55. Pretty cost-efficient.
You lose out on the saw but for a budget knife that shouldn't be a terrible compromise. I like the saws on my SAKs but honestly they're a nice-to-have.
But I am also a SAK nerd and always have one on me. Other people may find less utility.
With a little sleuthing, you can find the version that came before the current issue. It looks way more like a SAK, has a saw blade with a bottle opener and a corkscrew. The saw is surprisingly aggressive.
The serrations at the top of the blade on the new version would take some getting used to, but it's a cool design.
Figured I'd bump this thread up a little since I started buying more knives since I first started it.
I picked up a pair of Civivi Praxis' from MidwayUSA (one was a Christmas gift and the other was because I wanted another one) recently and I figure Civivi falls into the budget friendly side of the knife world.
I like them (I mean that's pretty obvious considering I bought two of them :smiley_crocodile: ) and they get high marks from a lot of knife reviewers on YouTube.
The handle size is just about perfect for me and the overall size of the knife is great. It's a little larger than the Spyderco Tenacious I usually carry, but not by much. Maybe a half inch or so difference.
MidwayUSA has them for $42.50 (which with shipping and tax will be $54.67 total). Knife Center has them (and a bunch more Civivi models. I'm considering picking up one of their Elementum folders and fixed blades as soon as I can) for the same price, but I'm not sure how much the shipping and taxes would be there.
I've never ordered from Knife Center, so I'm not sure how much they charge for that. I just usually order from MidwayUSA.
ETA: Forgot to mention the blade steel on the Praxis is 9Cr18MoV and the handle scales are G10.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 20, 2023, 03:08:56 PMFigured I'd bump this thread up a little since I started buying more knives since I first started it.
I picked up a pair of Civivi Praxis' from MidwayUSA (one was a Christmas gift and the other was because I wanted another one) recently and I figure Civivi falls into the budget friendly side of the knife world.
I like them (I mean that's pretty obvious considering I bought two of them :smiley_crocodile: ) and they get high marks from a lot of knife reviewers on YouTube.
The handle size is just about perfect for me and the overall size of the knife is great. It's a little larger than the Spyderco Tenacious I usually carry, but not by much. Maybe a half inch or so difference.
MidwayUSA has them for $42.50 (which with shipping and tax will be $54.67 total). Knife Center has them (and a bunch more Civivi models. I'm considering picking up one of their Elementum folders and fixed blades as soon as I can) for the same price, but I'm not sure how much the shipping and taxes would be there.
I've never ordered from Knife Center, so I'm not sure how much they charge for that. I just usually order from MidwayUSA.
If this helps:
https://www.civivi.com/collections/flash-sale?page=1 (https://www.civivi.com/collections/flash-sale?page=1)
https://www.bladehq.com/item--CIVIVI-Fracture-Slip-Joint-Knife--114174 (https://www.bladehq.com/item--CIVIVI-Fracture-Slip-Joint-Knife--114174)
https://www.bladehq.com/item--CIVIVI-Odium-Liner-Lock-Knife-Gray--107076 (https://www.bladehq.com/item--CIVIVI-Odium-Liner-Lock-Knife-Gray--107076)
https://www.civivi.com/products/civivi-perf-flipper-knife-c20006 (https://www.civivi.com/products/civivi-perf-flipper-knife-c20006)
Knife Center is also having a sale on certain models of Civivi and WE Knife Co. knives.
BPS makes well reviewed bushcraft knives for not alot of money. Made in Ukraine so you would be helping defeat russia
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Camping-Bushcraft-Leather/dp/B083ZM7T6P/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929678&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-4-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTTc5Qk9BMlJVWURUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDE4NzM2MVRWMEdLNlZVTDlVMyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjQ5NDY3UzhaSEkzOFgxOTVZJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Adventurer-Bushcraft-firesteel/dp/B08KFDKKK6/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929757&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Camping-Full-Tand-Leather/dp/B08MPWLJFT/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929757&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-9
I've had this joker knife on my wish list for over a year
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TGZJMW9/?coliid=I18CAPQGIASLJF&colid=223CV76HK1ZSJ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Quote from: flybynight on February 20, 2023, 03:54:20 PMBPS makes well reviewed bushcraft knives for not alot of money. Made in Ukraine so you would be helping defeat russia
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Camping-Bushcraft-Leather/dp/B083ZM7T6P/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929678&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-4-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTTc5Qk9BMlJVWURUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDE4NzM2MVRWMEdLNlZVTDlVMyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjQ5NDY3UzhaSEkzOFgxOTVZJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Adventurer-Bushcraft-firesteel/dp/B08KFDKKK6/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929757&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.com/BPS-Knives-Camping-Full-Tand-Leather/dp/B08MPWLJFT/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1L69Y3KR52CH4&keywords=bps+knives&qid=1676929757&sprefix=bps%2Caps%2C273&sr=8-9
I've had this joker knife on my wish list for over a year
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TGZJMW9/?coliid=I18CAPQGIASLJF&colid=223CV76HK1ZSJ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
These might be the fulltang alternative to a mora we've been looking for. I dont know steel comparison tho.
BPS Knives BS3FTS - Fixed-Blade Bushcraft Knife - Carbon Steel Knife with Leather Sheath - Outdoor Full Tang Knife - Camping Knives - Survival Tactical Camp Knife - Utility Knife - Sharp Camp Knife https://a.co/d/csYgNej
Quote from: Moab on February 20, 2023, 04:12:08 PMThese might be the fulltang alternative to a mira we've been looking for. I dont know steel comparison tho.
BPS Knives BS3FTS - Fixed-Blade Bushcraft Knife - Carbon Steel Knife with Leather Sheath - Outdoor Full Tang Knife - Camping Knives - Survival Tactical Camp Knife - Utility Knife - Sharp Camp Knife https://a.co/d/csYgNej
It's 1066 which is a pretty good steel for this kind of knife. It'll hold an edge and not be too hard to easily resharpen.
Quote from: NT2C on February 20, 2023, 04:27:59 PMQuote from: Moab on February 20, 2023, 04:12:08 PMThese might be the fulltang alternative to a mira we've been looking for. I dont know steel comparison tho.
BPS Knives BS3FTS - Fixed-Blade Bushcraft Knife - Carbon Steel Knife with Leather Sheath - Outdoor Full Tang Knife - Camping Knives - Survival Tactical Camp Knife - Utility Knife - Sharp Camp Knife https://a.co/d/csYgNej
It's 1066 which is a pretty good steel for this kind of knife. It'll hold an edge and not be too hard to easily resharpen.
There's lots of reviews on YT
Quote from: flybynight on February 20, 2023, 04:30:11 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 20, 2023, 04:27:59 PMQuote from: Moab on February 20, 2023, 04:12:08 PMThese might be the fulltang alternative to a mira we've been looking for. I dont know steel comparison tho.
BPS Knives BS3FTS - Fixed-Blade Bushcraft Knife - Carbon Steel Knife with Leather Sheath - Outdoor Full Tang Knife - Camping Knives - Survival Tactical Camp Knife - Utility Knife - Sharp Camp Knife https://a.co/d/csYgNej
It's 1066 which is a pretty good steel for this kind of knife. It'll hold an edge and not be too hard to easily resharpen.
There's lots of reviews on YT
Sure are. Just watched one on a tourist hotel in Osaka. Some even for this knife.
The leather looks really good too.
Quote from: Moab on February 20, 2023, 06:13:13 PMThe leather looks really good too.
Well, let my credit card catch its breath and I might buy one. I prefer the spearpoint of the BS1FTS though. A hair smaller than the other one but a better shape IMHO. The HK5 is also getting my attention though.
Quote from: NT2C on February 20, 2023, 04:52:32 PMQuote from: flybynight on February 20, 2023, 04:30:11 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 20, 2023, 04:27:59 PMQuote from: Moab on February 20, 2023, 04:12:08 PMThese might be the fulltang alternative to a mira we've been looking for. I dont know steel comparison tho.
BPS Knives BS3FTS - Fixed-Blade Bushcraft Knife - Carbon Steel Knife with Leather Sheath - Outdoor Full Tang Knife - Camping Knives - Survival Tactical Camp Knife - Utility Knife - Sharp Camp Knife https://a.co/d/csYgNej
It's 1066 which is a pretty good steel for this kind of knife. It'll hold an edge and not be too hard to easily resharpen.
There's lots of reviews on YT
Sure are. Just watched one on a tourist hotel in Osaka. Some even for this knife.(https://33.media.tumblr.com/a8fe322f161ca28619e98d4737f47c40/tumblr_mmhaylvmVE1rwkhhno1_500.gif)