Tired of fiddling with my USGI gas cans. Gonna buy 4 Midwest 5 gallon cans. And 4 replacement nozzles. So I can ditch the CARB ones.
Going to go with Midwest. Pack of 4 is only $74.
5 Gallon Gas Can, 4 Pack, Spill Proof Fuel Container - New! - Clean! - Boxed! https://a.co/d/cIor56W
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Is this the best replacement spout?
Gas Can Spout Replacement, Gas Can Nozzle. Hose Length is 8.1 in, Easier to use. For most 1/2/5/10 gal oil cans. With Gas Tank Vent Caps, Thick rubber pad, Spout Cover, Base Caps (6 Kit-Yellow) https://a.co/d/c97oMFX
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Quote from: Moab on July 13, 2024, 09:12:32 PMTired of fiddling with my USGI gas cans. Gonna buy 4 Midwest 5 gallon cans. And 4 replacement nozzles. So I can ditch the CARB ones.
Going to go with Midwest. Pack of 4 is only $74.
5 Gallon Gas Can, 4 Pack, Spill Proof Fuel Container - New! - Clean! - Boxed! https://a.co/d/cIor56W
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Is this the best replacement spout?
Gas Can Spout Replacement, Gas Can Nozzle. Hose Length is 8.1 in, Easier to use. For most 1/2/5/10 gal oil cans. With Gas Tank Vent Caps, Thick rubber pad, Spout Cover, Base Caps (6 Kit-Yellow) https://a.co/d/c97oMFX
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I remember posting on the old ZS forums with a link to replacement gas can nozzles that looked a lot like that. Anything's better than those dangerous, frustrating, spill-o-matic nanny-state "safety" nozzles (no, I don't have strong feelings on this topic
at all :rolleyes1: ). In my mind the most important features (besides, obviously, simple tilt and pour) are air tight when fully stowed and captive caps when the nozzle is in the deployed position. The ones you linked to (and pictured) looks like they tick all the important boxes.
Quote from: majorhavoc on July 13, 2024, 09:27:38 PMQuote from: Moab on July 13, 2024, 09:12:32 PMTired of fiddling with my USGI gas cans. Gonna buy 4 Midwest 5 gallon cans. And 4 replacement nozzles. So I can ditch the CARB ones.
Going to go with Midwest. Pack of 4 is only $74.
5 Gallon Gas Can, 4 Pack, Spill Proof Fuel Container - New! - Clean! - Boxed! https://a.co/d/cIor56W
Screenshot_20240713_190858_Amazon Shopping.jpg
Is this the best replacement spout?
Gas Can Spout Replacement, Gas Can Nozzle. Hose Length is 8.1 in, Easier to use. For most 1/2/5/10 gal oil cans. With Gas Tank Vent Caps, Thick rubber pad, Spout Cover, Base Caps (6 Kit-Yellow) https://a.co/d/c97oMFX
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I remember posting on the old ZS forums with a link to replacement gas can nozzles that looked a lot like that. Anything's better than those dangerous, frustrating, spill-o-matic nanny-state "safety" nozzles (no, I don't have strong feelings on this topic at all :rolleyes1: ). In my mind the most important features (besides, obviously, simple tilt and pour) are air tight when fully stowed and captive caps when the nozzle is in the deployed position. The ones you linked to (and pictured) looks like they tick all the important boxes.
I researched this too. But lost my notes on it. I'm pretty sure they are the go to ones. But I'm wondering how fast they pour. And if they make a fast pour one like they do for racing cans. But I'm thinking as long as the vent hole is big enough. It shouldn't be a slow glug. It should be fast enough. I can see an advantage of fast refills in the bug out vehicle.
But I'm just gonna order these. $100 for four complete 5 gal cans isn't bad. The USGI ones are really expensive. And I like that these have two carry/pour handles. Makes them much more maneuverable.
Those are the ones I use. They aren't bad but even when the can is properly vented they have a piss-poor pour rate. Great for filling a lawnmower with a tiny tank, not so great for filling the big tank of a large generator.
Oh, and the vents have no gasket and leak like a sieve if you overfill the can.
For a better vent that's properly sealed use one of these and remove the valve core:
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I hated those safety caps ever since they were introduced, I could never get them to work, and had leaking issues and issues filling them.
I finally got one that I could deal with overcoming those issues to a degree. So I started to think, 'not so bad'.
Until one day when I had just a little fuel left in it and wanted to empty it so I could take to refill, so I put the nozzle in my small mower's tank, and pulled the release valve.
We'll, apparently there was gas expansion due to the heat and when I released the valve, when the nozzle was in the tank, I got a jet/geyser of fuel straight in the face.
Yeah those safety nozzles are extremely dangerous. They leak when you fill them due to the screen. They leak when you pour them for several bad design features. And there is no venting or pressure release.
This is also on my to-do list for my gas cans. The mods that I'm planning are:
- Flexible filler neck
- Install vent
- Remove the screw neck safety collar (this may not be needed with the replacement collar that comes with the filler necks)
- Optional - remove screen
I don't recall having issues filling mine previously, so I'm not sure that I need to take the screen out (and that would only be on the two newer cans anyway). The big thing is that I need to double-check the thread size on the filler neck collar to make sure that I'm getting a kit with the right size. They're pretty universal, so it shouldn't be an issue, but I wanted to check first anyway.
My older two cans aren't as bad, but the one with the straight spout can be a bit hard to pour at first. That locking collar is really annoying though and those definitely need to be removed! The worst is when you're trying to get those on/off in the winter, as you have to take your gloves off in order to hold the tab in while twisting. Brrr!
I saw a Wranglerstar video, he said about a conversion for at the time his Stihl chainsaw ( can't find it). It's like the Nascar refueling just put gas can to hole and fill. No caps, no spills , no nothing.
I use these to stock gasoline. I actually prefer them for stock. They seal very well and do not permit moisture from hot humid air to inside the can/ jug.
That said they are horrible to use for things like adding gas to car or equipment.
The solution I came up with was to obtain a large and deep funnel. I simple remove the spot and pour directly from the can. It sounds messy but it works better than any spout I have tried.
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For cars it is a bit more difficult since you need a long thin spout to go into the fuel fill. I use a funnel that you normally use for transmission fluid. I simply pour more slowly.
The problem I ran into with the spouts you referenced is that they are so flexible that they cannot stay in the fuel fill reliably.
Look at some funnels and see which ones will work for your application.
I am sure know this but anyone else storing gasoline be sure to add stabilizer to the fuel and store the fuel outside in the shade and our of sight.
BTW I have a monthly rotation schedule and simply dump one or two jugs into the cars and refill them. If you rotate 100% of the gasoline every 60 to 90 days you do not need stabilizer. I rotate 100% on a 6 month schedule and have not had any issues
With fuel quality.
One tip when rotating the gasoline make sure your fuel tank level allows to add an equal amount of fresh gas to the tank. So when you refill the jug you simple top off your tank with new fresh gasoline.
This will dillute any possible stale gasoline.
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These aren't nearly as a long as I thought they would be. Plastic ok. Everything appears to have a gasket. Not the highest quality. But ok.
Anyone have these that can speak to air tightness? Obviously you need to use the actual gas caps. Those are under the $10 bill I added for reference. I assume you invert the nozzle into the can. And the cap seals over that.
Kind of wish they sold a higher quality set. With better gaskets. They are like a combination of plastic and rubber. More like a soft plastic. Wondering how they are going to hold up.
I have two with this type, and just putting the cap on the end will keep all the expansion vapors in. I haven't tested it if it tips over if it keeps the gas in.
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But i work had to make sure it doesn't tip over.
i've never reversed them for storage. Use them to much.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on July 15, 2024, 08:18:38 AMI have two with this type, and just putting the cap on the end will keep all the expansion vapors in. I haven't tested it if it tips over if it keeps the gas in.
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But i work had to make sure it doesn't tip over.
i've never reversed them for storage. Use them to much.
Does/could that flange just behind the cap interfere with certain gas tank filler pipes (or whatever the hell you call the place where you insert the nozzle to add fuel to a machine or vehicle. Me no speak good english).
Quote from: MacWa77ace on July 15, 2024, 08:18:38 AMI have two with this type, and just putting the cap on the end will keep all the expansion vapors in. I haven't tested it if it tips over if it keeps the gas in.
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But i work had to make sure it doesn't tip over.
i've never reversed them for storage. Use them to much.
In my experience, I've had those type of stoppers pop completely away from the spout. But we can see temperature swings of 30 degrees ( or more) in the space of 12 hours.
Quote from: flybynight on July 15, 2024, 09:25:56 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on July 15, 2024, 08:18:38 AMI have two with this type, and just putting the cap on the end will keep all the expansion vapors in. I haven't tested it if it tips over if it keeps the gas in.
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But i work had to make sure it doesn't tip over.
i've never reversed them for storage. Use them to much.
In my experience, I've had those type of stoppers pop completely away from the spout. But we can see temperature swings of 30 degrees ( or more) in the space of 12 hours.
They can pop off. But I'm more likely to get a positive pressure or a vacuum with the temp swing than a pop off in my AO. I pull that cap off and get a pressure release or a suction sound depending on the temp difference from when the cap when on and when it comes off.
I get 30 degree swings but I generally put the cap on and take it off at the same time of day so, even though its a week later and 7 thirty degree swings, its still only a couple of degrees +/- from the temp it was when I sealed it the week before. But yeah, if I put the cap on at midnight and took it off at 3pm the next day, it would be pressurized. If I put the cap on at 3pm and took it off at midnight it would have a vacuum effect.
Quote from: majorhavoc on July 15, 2024, 09:04:54 AMDoes/could that flange just behind the cap interfere with certain gas tank filler pipes (or whatever the hell you call the place where you insert the nozzle to add fuel to a machine or vehicle. Me no speak good english).
My English is no so good looking too. Pero Ci! Podría interferir.
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It sort of 'clips' the yellow cap on, but you can cut it off with a box knife if you want. I wouldn't, use a funnel when filling cars or small gas ports, that thing is super handy filling from can to can or any small motor gastank.
The new safety nozzles have that handy dandy flange too, its on the underside.
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I wonder how standardized gas can threads and hole sizes are? I thought about buying those flexible clear hose kind that they use on tanks for racing. Just because I think those dump a huge amount of gas at once. I won't be using these for machinery. Just refueling vehicles.
The ones I bought will work. I'm sure. They have good reviews. But would have spent more in a better plastic. And certainly in better gaskets. They appear very cheap. And more plastic than rubber. Seems like they might not seal that well. As the gaskets are not soft. Harder than rubber for sure. I guess I could source new actual rubber gaskets. But would have liked to get better nozzles and gaskets at once.
I have to wonder if there's no standardized threads on gas cans then there has to be adapters to fit one type of thread pattern to another.
Sort of like how you can get adapters for firearms that'll let you use 5/8x24 muzzle devices on 1/2x28 threaded barrels.
I did not read back all the way thru this thread. As it's been awhile since this was posted in.
But I did buy these cans. (Maybe I already posted about this in another thread? Idk) I also bought those spouts obviously. And I bought a better separate air valve for each. I will try to post a link below.
Removing the CA compiant spouts was fairly straight forward. I used needle nose pliers. It did take a good hard clamp and yank. I drilled for the better brass and rubber grommet air valves. As I had read the other valves leaked. The entire thing turned out really well. Is leak proof. And the cans pour normally and quite well with the better valves. I did make sure to keep as much of the plastic drill shavings out of the cans. And beat the sides upside down to insure they all came out. Most stuck in the bit and we're not a problem. I might blow air into them had I had it.
All in all these are excellent for a then terrific price. I now have 4 solid 5 gallon gas cans. I do need to remember to add the fuel protection chemical. I bought that too.
Filling them at a station was a learning curve. As I recall I under filled them first. I need to combine some and take one can back and too it off. I think I was overly concerned about over filling and them sitting in the back of my Jeep. Even though I had a heavy tarp down.
I highly recommend these when using the replacement spouts and better brass air valves.
Not on sale anymore. I might add them to camelcamelcamel if I were you. I seem to recall a $15 each sale price. But camel will show that.
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I bought the nozzles in the 2nd link above last year and put them on all my gas cans. They're okay, but I do wish that I'd gotten some that had a longer filler neck as that would have made it easier to pour (given more flexibility). They do seal really well, as the cans are visibly bloated up each time I use them and I have to vent the can before starting to pour.
I also used the opportunity to sand down some of the rough seams on the handles and cut/ground off the nub that interacts with the screw collar on the nozzle neck. The new collars don't interact with it, but it was still sort of in the way on a few of the cans, so I just got rid of it.
The vents are okay, but there isn't much of a lip to grab in order to open them. Once they're open the can vents just fine though.
What I really miss was the old, round, metal can that my parents had. It had a fully flexible rubber neck and a push-button vent that was right next to the handle. You could hit that with your thumb while pouring and it was soooo much easier to use than anything else that I've seen in 40 years! Of course, that can probably dated back to sometime in the 1970s...
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 17, 2025, 08:39:43 AMI bought the nozzles in the 2nd link above last year and put them on all my gas cans. They're okay, but I do wish that I'd gotten some that had a longer filler neck as that would have made it easier to pour (given more flexibility). They do seal really well, as the cans are visibly bloated up each time I use them and I have to vent the can before starting to pour.
I also used the opportunity to sand down some of the rough seams on the handles and cut/ground off the nub that interacts with the screw collar on the nozzle neck. The new collars don't interact with it, but it was still sort of in the way on a few of the cans, so I just got rid of it.
The vents are okay, but there isn't much of a lip to grab in order to open them. Once they're open the can vents just fine though.
What I really miss was the old, round, metal can that my parents had. It had a fully flexible rubber neck and a push-button vent that was right next to the handle. You could hit that with your thumb while pouring and it was soooo much easier to use than anything else that I've seen in 40 years! Of course, that can probably dated back to sometime in the 1970s...
I agree completely about the old round cans. When I was in college I drive a Beetle. Every weekend I would drive up in the mountains to my grandparents house. My grandfather kept two of those cans in my front trunk. (Ya. Looking back I was driving a potential explosive device!) Full of gas and my tank topped off. From his many rounds 5 gallon cans he kept full in his shop. I could drive back to Seattle, around town during the week, and back up to his place the next weekend. For more gas, more food and my grandmother would do may laundry.
The filler necks were the best. Except these were metal. But long and very flexible. The plastic ones above are short. But they fit inside. And I carry a pump siphon with me. So worse case if the necks to short I could siphon gas into just about anything with the hose. But longer necks would be better.
I am really glad I used those more expensive vents tho. They are brass with knurling in the knobs. Very easy to operate.
Quote from: Moab on July 17, 2025, 10:41:52 PMMy grandfather kept two of those cans in my front trunk. (Ya. Looking back I was driving a potential explosive device!) Full of gas and my tank topped off....
My Dad drove a Pinto :smiley_shrug:
Quote from: Moab on July 17, 2025, 10:41:52 PMThe filler necks were the best. Except these were metal. But long and very flexible.
I was going to say that too, I seemed to remember a flexible metal filler cap like that.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on July 18, 2025, 09:41:15 AMQuote from: Moab on July 17, 2025, 10:41:52 PMMy grandfather kept two of those cans in my front trunk. (Ya. Looking back I was driving a potential explosive device!) Full of gas and my tank topped off....
My Dad drove a Pinto :smiley_shrug:
Quote from: Moab on July 17, 2025, 10:41:52 PMThe filler necks were the best. Except these were metal. But long and very flexible.
I was going to say that too, I seemed to remember a flexible metal filler cap like that.
I meant to say spouts. The spouts were a metal flexible type. I remember I used to light my GIJoes on fire. With the gas from the same kind of gas can. Except one winter we were lighting up my Evil Knievil doll. The one with the motorcycle that you could jump? And the gas can spout caught on fire. And literally started blowing ignited gas flame out of the spout. But my friend had the presence of mind to quickly stuff the flaming spout into the snow. I thought we were a goner for sure. But he put it out that fast. Scared the crap out of me. I never played "napalm" with my GI Joes anymore.
Lmao!
Quote from: Moab on July 18, 2025, 12:21:26 PMExcept one winter we were lighting up my Evil Knievil doll. The one with the motorcycle that you could jump? And the gas can spout caught on fire. And literally started blowing ignited gas flame out of the spout. But my friend had the presence of mind to quickly stuff the flaming spout into the snow. I thought we were a goner for sure. But he put it out that fast. Scared the crap out of me. I never played "napalm" with my GI Joes anymore.
I used an old oil dispenser for my flame thrower. More controllable and more to scale. and a flame would stay lit on the tip so you'd just keep squirting and not have to hold a lighter to it. Only for army men and vehicles though, GI Joes and evil Knievil were to expensive/valuable for me.
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Quote from: MacWa77ace on July 18, 2025, 12:50:32 PMQuote from: Moab on July 18, 2025, 12:21:26 PMExcept one winter we were lighting up my Evil Knievil doll. The one with the motorcycle that you could jump? And the gas can spout caught on fire. And literally started blowing ignited gas flame out of the spout. But my friend had the presence of mind to quickly stuff the flaming spout into the snow. I thought we were a goner for sure. But he put it out that fast. Scared the crap out of me. I never played "napalm" with my GI Joes anymore.
I used an old oil dispenser for my flame thrower. More controllable and more to scale. and a flame would stay lit on the tip so you'd just keep squirting and not have to hold a lighter to it. Only for army men and vehicles though, GI Joes and evil Knievil were to expensive/valuable for me.
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Army men were part of the repertoire. I was a pretty rebellious kid. I burned everything. Lol. I got caught playing with matches. And my dad put me in charge of the burning barrel. Big mistake. Lol. I would save up my mom's old (and sometimes new) hairspray cans. And blow them up in the 50 gallon burning barrel. Anything aerosol would explode in the fire and send a plume of smoke way up in the air.
I like the oiler idea. ;)
Hahahahahahahahahah :smiley_crocodile:
7/24/25 https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/make-gas-cans-great-again-improving-flow
7/15/25 https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=2857.0 I'm an influencer!?!?!. :awesome:
Quote from: MacWa77ace on July 28, 2025, 08:32:21 AMHahahahahahahahahah :smiley_crocodile:
7/24/25 https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/make-gas-cans-great-again-improving-flow
7/15/25 https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=2857.0 I'm an influencer!?!?!. :awesome:
Obviously, someone in the government has their eye on you, Mac. Someone in the EPA.
What'cha been up to, bro? Hmmm?