(I look forward to any critiques, suggestions, tips, links or otherwise to this thread. Please post your own kits as well.
I will try to do a better job of vetting those links to products from China below. And get a better idea of shipping costs. Eventually I would like to put this actual kit together. Complete with peanut butter jar? :)
The idea is to give everyone a plan, with actual links, to a fire kit you can put together yourselves. That is at least affordable and effective.
Lastly, I strongly encourage everyone to make a fire kit with what you have available - RIGHT NOW. You don't need to wait to order all this. Prepping is about doing what you can with what you have - NOW. Because its better to be prepared with just what you have now - rather than not. Put it in a ziplock bag and add it to your grocery sack of old warm clothes by your front door. See. You're prepared!. You can improve it later.)
ENTRY LEVEL FIRE KIT
Majorhavoc inspired me to start this thread based on a ready to go firekit he posted in the bargains section for less than $5. It comes with a waterproof hardcase, cotton and fuel fire starters, firesteel and scraper, carabiner and lanyard.
By adding a small bic lighter and a few storm matches, this is a fine starter fire kit. For those people that just need something off the shelf right now. It could also hold some dry tinder. And maybe a couple other small items.
https://www.fieldsupply.com/2-pack-ust-watertight-fire-kit-1-0-gray.html
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This post also inspired me to take another look at my own fire kit. It's been awhile:
This is my current fire kit. But it is missing two items I thought I had added. But had not yet. One is 2 tea candles that we have bags of (although I'd like to try beeswax.). And the other is changing out the lanyard line on my main firesteel with glow in the dark 550 cord. That I use on any items that might get lost. Including my keys.
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My "main" fire kit includes:
1 fullsize ferro rod. .5x5 inches. With striker, rubber gas line handle, and lanyard.
1 small .25x2 inch ferro rod.
2 fullsize Bic lighters.
1 small amount of dry cotton tinder.
1 bag of Vaseline soaked, cotton dryer lint.
6 storm proof matches in ziplock bag.
1 book of standard matches in ziplock bag.
1 small tube of Vaseline.
1 small bottle of hand sanitizer.
1 silnylon pouch.
These items are split up between my two "last ditch" packs. My USGI fannypack. And my Hill People Gear chest pack. I call these "last ditch" as these are the last two pack items I would ditch. I may ditch or lose my main pack in an emergency. But would always keep these two packs on me. And of the two I would ditch the fannypack last. So the fannypack serves as its own bare bones survival kit.
FIRE KIT STRATEGY:
You may have one main fire kit. That resides in your pack. Which is awesome. But its best to spread some firestarting options on your person or other bags as well. Small ferro rods, matches and small bics are cheap. I buy extras and spread these around my bags and person. I also do this with cheap, tiny button compasses.
BASICS OF A FIRE KIT:
Waterproof container.
Lighter.
Ferro rod & striker.
Dry Tinder.
Accelerant or flammable fuel.
Candle.
Matches.
There are many ways to accomplish this. And more primitive methods of starting fire that are good to learn. This is an "entry level fire kit" though. So we'll leave that for another discussion.
FIRE KIT NOW.
The most important thing to keep in mind is to use what you can afford RIGHT NOW!
Make a fire kit now. At least you'll have one. And you can always improve upon it. And move cheaper items to other areas of your pack as you upgrade. Or to other members of your party. This goes for any part if your bug out system. A grocery sack and some old warm clothes can be a bug out bag. The important thing is to gather those items now. And put them by your front door. You can improve on that in the future.
There is also no perfect fire kit. A bic lighter and some tinder is a fire kit. My grandfather was a master woodsman. All he ever carried was a book of matches and some newspaper. And that saved him many times over.
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BASIC ITEMS TO CHOOSE FROM:
Here are some examples of each item from above for various budgets:
1) Waterproof container can be as simple as a small, empty, plastic peanut butter jar. A ziplock bag. Or a waterproof hard case. Anything that will keep it dry.
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2) Lighter can be a Bic, Zippo, Butane, Peanut lighter or any source of flame that is immediate. Bic is probably best.
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3) Ferro rod & striker. This can be a ferro rod and your knife as a striker. There are cheap ferro rods from China. In many different sizes. That work just fine. You can also upgrade to misch steel. From a place like firesteel.com. With even larger sparks. They are quite expensive. But all you need is a spark. For your main ferro rod I would suggest at least .25 inch thick and 4 inches long. From China.
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4) Dry Tinder. Cotton balls. Cotton dryer lint. Fat wood. Jute rope. Dry bark or plant matter or other tinder found in nature. There are many. Cotton balls or dryer lint are the easiest to prepare. And can be soaked in Vaseline for very good, waterproof, fire starters. You can also make fire starters from saw dust and wax. But they are large and bulky. And mainly used for home or vehicle use.
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5) Accelerant or flammable fuel. Vaseline. Hand sanitizer. Wax. The best are Vaseline and Hand Sanitizer. Both have good burn times. And stick to tinder well. Vaseline does not evaporate. But hand sanitizer is a little like napalm. It's a flammable gel. So it doesn't slide off wood or tinder onto the ground like say gas. And it burns hot. But it must be kept in an airtight container. Vaseline may be more versatile.
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6) Candle. A tea candle or any candle has the advantage of burn time and versatility. In wet conditions it can be very hard to start a fire. But a tea candle can dry out and burn just about any wet tinder. A tea candle will burn for about 3 to 4 hrs. But there are deeper ones out there with longer burn times. And beeswax tea candles burn even longer than traditional wax. Candles are also versatile for simple heat, light and morale in an emergency situation.
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7) Matches. The old school simple match. A small book of paper matches kept in a waterproof bag or container has probably saved more folks than anything else. Nothing wrong with a lightweight, tiny book of paper matches as a backup. But there are improvements. They are called storm matches. They are made of wood. And have a much larger and longer igniting tip. The intitial strike is bigger and lasts much longer. Making it easier to start a fire in the wind. These need to be kept dry. Although some are coated with wax and other chemicals that can keep them dry. Many come in waterproof containers with a striker on the side or in the lid.
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8 ) Magnifying or fresnel lens. This is sort of a last ditch item. That you might use after you've lost or exhausted all other methods of firestarting. At least on this list. But still an effective way to start a fire. I am not proficient in this method. So I don't know whether a fresnel lens or a small magnifying lens works best. But I have burnedany an ant to death with a magnifying lens! Lol!
I did not leave room for another pic. But here is a link to 5 fresnel lenses:
Best Glide ASE Credit Card Size Fresnel Lens Fire Starter and Magnifier Lenses (3 Pack - Green) https://a.co/d/e7Satl2
And here is a link to a couple small magnifying glass:
Leffis 40X Jewelers Loupe Magnifier Magnifying Glasses, LED/UV Illuminated Jewelry Loop Pocket Folding Magnifying Glass with Metal Construction for Close Work, Gardening, Kids, Stamp, Rock Collecting https://a.co/d/9MysvMf
2PCS Upgrade 10X Small Magnifying Glasses for Kids/Senior, Pocket Magnifier for Reading/Close Work, Mini Folding Magnifying Magnify Glass with Protective Sheath, Ideal for Repairing/Hobby/Coins, 1.96" https://a.co/d/2bPwCl2
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So after all that! My goal for this post is to develop a fire kit for first time fire kit builders. Here are some sources for entry level fire kit items:
ENTRY LEVEL FIRE KIT ITEMS:
(Most of these items are from China. Via Alibaba or Aliexpress. Two top level, well known, direct from China sites. I have not confirmed shipping. But I suspect that if you bundle a few of these items you can get free or affordable shipping. But I will try to confirm shipping costs soon. Shipping times are of course longer than normal. It may take a couple months or so to get your items.
I invite anyone to post up sources for these items stateside at a reasonable or cheap cost.)
Waterproof case. This can be an empty peanut butter jar. Which is free. Or you could buy this o-ring lined waterproof case for two dollars.
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US $1.88 45%OFF | Outdoor Waterproof Survival Sealed Box Dustproof Shockproof Plastic EDC Tools Storage Container Case Holder Fishing Tackle Tools
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msgrtLM
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mr5b3Ge
Storm matches. These are not the wax covered waterproof version. But they do come with a waterproof container and striker strip. These can be found stateside for cheap as well.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600430863557/lower-MOQ-wholesale-price-color-outdoor.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
Vaseline is my preferred accelerant. You can find it in small travel tubes or in tiny tubes for chapstick type use - at your local drug store. This one is a small flat tin. That would fit nicely in just about anything.
Vaseline Lip Therapy Lip Balm Tin, Original, 0.6 oz https://a.co/d/2o8sV9S
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Hand Sanitizer can best be found locally. In small travel size containers. But heres a link to a smaller bottle.
Germ-X Hand Sanitizer, Original, Travel Size, 2.5 Fluid Ounce https://a.co/d/fDv1rlN
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Cotton balls. Heres a link to a cheap bag at Walmart. But dryer lint works just as well. You can mix up a bunch of dryer lint and vaseline in a paper plate. And then place it in a plastic bag. Either in pre a made chunks or just one clump that you tare pieces of off.
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-Beauty-Jumbo-Cotton-Balls-200-Count/152507105
Beeswax tea candles last longer than traditional wax tea candles. But I have never used them for firestarting. Normal tea candles are cheap at Walmart, Target or your local hobby store. And burn around 3 to 4 hrs. Both beeswax and wax tea candles can be found cheapest locally. Carry at least one for wet weather firestarting.
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100% Pure Beeswax Tealight Candles, Package of 6 https://a.co/d/6AcUQ6x
Realm White Unscented 4 Hour Burn Tea Light Candles (12 Pack) | Smokeless + Long Lasting + Even Burning | Mess Free Candles That Will Light Up Your Home https://a.co/d/iqpMRVV
Ferro rods. I found a few from Alibaba that stood out. This first one comes with a few handy add ons for fairly reasonable $3 not including shipping. I would ditch the pouch and maybe the blow tube. But I like the rod, striker and jute combo.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600359811265/Pocket-Camping-Tool-Waxed-Jute-Rope.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
I like this ferro rod for its size. But also the striker that doubles as a primitive knife. I like dual use items. Although the strikers that come with the other ferro rods also have a measurement on the side, crude wrench capabilities and a bottle opener.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/60761963672/1/2-x-5inch-Amazon-Best-Seller.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
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This one is a decent size. And an added bonus is that one strand with the Paracord kanyard is made of firestarting material. I don't know how good that might be. But thought I would include it.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600356527391/12mm-Traditional-Survival-Outdoor-Backpacking-Multi.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
A traditional .5x5 inch ferro rod. This one also has a firestarter strand. With traditional striker. I will say I much prefer a piece of hack saw blade as a striker. They really throw sparks.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600544825519/1/2x5inch-Custom-Feuerstarter-Bushcraft-Emergency-Survival.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
Doesn't seem to be working. Just says placeholder where I think you wanted pics to show.
I just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Quote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Quote from: flybynight on February 27, 2023, 05:50:16 PMDoesn't seem to be working. Just says placeholder where I think you wanted pics to show.
The placeholders were so I had enough posts to include the entire thread. As each post can only have 4 pics.
This is also a work in progress. I am not done with it. But wanted to get the text and photo parts out of the way.
Doing the last post now. But will be updating. And updating as people make comments and improvements.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:54:37 PMQuote from: flybynight on February 27, 2023, 05:50:16 PMDoesn't seem to be working. Just says placeholder where I think you wanted pics to show.
The placeholders were so I had enough posts to include the entire thread. As each post can only have 4 pics.
This is also a work in progress. I am not done with it. But wanted to get the text and photo parts out of the way.
Doing the last post now. But will be updating. And updating as people make comments and improvements.
Each post can only have four uploaded
attachments. If the pics are hosted somewhere else and just linked to then they're unlimited.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Oddly, I was just about to inquire with a company that makes them to see how much they'd charge for 1,000 with our logo and slogan on them.
Even tho I've burned a multitude of ants to death with magnifying lens. I not an expert on lighting fires that way. Is there a preferred lens? Is fresnel or magnifying glass better? Anyone have better links than those I posted?
Quote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 07:06:12 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:54:37 PMQuote from: flybynight on February 27, 2023, 05:50:16 PMDoesn't seem to be working. Just says placeholder where I think you wanted pics to show.
The placeholders were so I had enough posts to include the entire thread. As each post can only have 4 pics.
This is also a work in progress. I am not done with it. But wanted to get the text and photo parts out of the way.
Doing the last post now. But will be updating. And updating as people make comments and improvements.
Each post can only have four uploaded attachments. If the pics are hosted somewhere else and just linked to then they're unlimited.
I didn't know that. I could have used my imgur acct. Will remember that for next time.
A fresnel lens is pretty much just a magnifying lens, right ?
I've lit paper on fire with a regular magnifying glass before (I was an easily entertained child and I also made sure to have some water close by in case I had a moment of stupidity).
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 07:10:30 PMEven tho I've burned a multitude of ants to death with magnifying lens. I not an expert on lighting fires that way. Is there a preferred lens? Is fresnel or magnifying glass better? Anyone have better links than those I posted?
For general use, a magnifying glass is better, but a flexible fresnel will work and can be stored in places a magnifying glass can't, like your wallet or slipped down inside that kit.
Pictures are all visible now. This is an outstanding post! Love that it is so profusely illustrated and contains links to where to buy items. I especially appreciate the links to the beeswax tea candles.
A few random thoughts:
Glad you saw fit to include Bic lighters. I get the sense that in a lot of survivalist circles, butane lighters are somehow seen as cheating. Man (er, humankind) has been perfecting the art of making fire for tens of thousands of years. The disposable lighter is pretty much the pinnacle of that art. It seems ridiculous to discount that crowning acheivement of portable firestarting technology simply because it makes the task of producing flame too easy.
But of course butane lighters can and do fail, which is why it's important to have alternate, more failsafe firestarting methods. One avenue of failure is if the butane fuel is inadvertently released in your pack because something else pushes against the thumb lever. Much like a flashlight or headlamp accidentally getting switched on in your backpack and you discovering that only when you most need light.
A ziptie or piece of cord affixed tightly directly underneath the gas release lighter can protect against that.
(https://www.survivalresources.com/images/content/SecuringBicLightersInKit.Article.jpg)
Somewhere on Youtube there's an old channel by a guy named MeZillch or something like that who shows convincingly that the zip tie method still allows you to pop the zip tie on and off the lighter. So you don't need to cut it to activate your lighter. And you're still able to pop it back on to put your Bic on "safe". :smiley_knipoog:
I always forget alcohol-based hand sanitizer can be used as fuel/accelerant. Thanks for the reminder.
Finally (for now): beware bargain priced firesteels. The ones Moab links to all look to be good quality. But a lot of super low priced options on Amazon and eBay turn out to be thick rods that are mostly plastic, with just a thin diameter rod of actual ferrocerium material embedded on one side. Enlarge product pictures - especially ones that show the very tip of rod. It's usually visible when it's not solid ferrocerrium. And if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.
And, just for shits and giggles, I just ordered a hundred more fresnels with 15-day delivery on Aliexpress. I'll mail one to any member that PM's me a name and mailing address.
Quote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 07:53:50 PMAnd, just for shits and giggles, I just ordered a hundred more fresnels with 15-day delivery on Aliexpress. I'll mail one to any member that PM's me a name and mailing address.
You're insane, NT2C. :panic:
But a very nice gesture. I already own about 10 credit card sized fresnel lenses and two larger ones. So no need to send one to me.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 27, 2023, 07:14:16 PMA fresnel lens is pretty much just a magnifying lens, right ?
I've lit paper on fire with a regular magnifying glass before (I was an easily entertained child and I also made sure to have some water close by in case I had a moment of stupidity).
I got caught playing with matches when I was a kid. My punishment was manning the burning barrel. Back then everyone had a 50 gallon barrel in their backyard. And you got rid of all your "burnables" buy burning them in the burning barrel.
I used to save up my moms old cans of hairspray. And once the fire was roaring. I'd throw in an old can of hairspray. It would blow up and make this loud explosion that would send smoke and crap flying way up in the air.
I still don't know why they chose that as a punishment. Lmao!! It just made me more of a pyro. Lol.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 08:09:36 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 27, 2023, 07:14:16 PMA fresnel lens is pretty much just a magnifying lens, right ?
I've lit paper on fire with a regular magnifying glass before (I was an easily entertained child and I also made sure to have some water close by in case I had a moment of stupidity).
I got caught playing with matches when I was a kid. My punishment was manning the burning barrel. Back then everyone had a 50 gallon barrel in their backyard. And you got rid of all your "burnables" buy burning them in the burning barrel.
I used to save up my moms old cans of hairspray. And once the fire was roaring. I'd throw in an old can of hairspray. It would blow up and make this loud explosion that would send smoke and crap flying way up in the air.
I still don't know why they chose that as a punishment. Lmao!! It just made me more of a pyro. Lol.
Your very astute parents devised that "punishment" because they knew you well. They wisely elected to channel your pyro tendencies in a safer setting because the alternative would have been you burning the house down. :smiley_crocodile:
Quote from: majorhavoc on February 27, 2023, 08:13:40 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 08:09:36 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 27, 2023, 07:14:16 PMA fresnel lens is pretty much just a magnifying lens, right ?
I've lit paper on fire with a regular magnifying glass before (I was an easily entertained child and I also made sure to have some water close by in case I had a moment of stupidity).
I got caught playing with matches when I was a kid. My punishment was manning the burning barrel. Back then everyone had a 50 gallon barrel in their backyard. And you got rid of all your "burnables" buy burning them in the burning barrel.
I used to save up my moms old cans of hairspray. And once the fire was roaring. I'd throw in an old can of hairspray. It would blow up and make this loud explosion that would send smoke and crap flying way up in the air.
I still don't know why they chose that as a punishment. Lmao!! It just made me more of a pyro. Lol.
Your very astute parents devised that "punishment" because they knew you well. They wisely elected to channel your pyro tendencies in a safer setting because the alternative would have been you burning the house down. :smiley_crocodile:
Oh. Completely. My parents were old school. My Dad was the laid back Indian. And my mother was the hard ass. I'll never forget her teaching me to ride a bike. She yelled and screamed at me all the way down our pothole filled gravel driveway! With her apron on. Until I got "back on that god damn bike and learned how to ride it!" Lmao.
Quote from: majorhavoc on February 27, 2023, 07:34:13 PMPictures are all visible now. This is an outstanding post! Love that it is so profusely illustrated and contains links to where to buy items. I especially appreciate the links to the beeswax tea candles.
A few random thoughts:
Glad you saw fit to include Bic lighters. I get the sense that in a lot of survivalist circles, butane lighters are somehow seen as cheating. Man (er, humankind) has been perfecting the art of making fire for tens of thousands of years. The disposable lighter is pretty much the pinnacle of that art. It seems ridiculous to discount that crowning acheivement of portable firestarting technology simply because it makes the task of producing flame too easy.
But of course butane lighters can and do fail, which is why it's important to have alternate, more failsafe firestarting methods. One avenue of failure is if the butane fuel is inadvertently released in your pack because something else pushes against the thumb lever. Much like a flashlight or headlamp accidentally getting switched on in your backpack and you discovering that only when you most need light.
A ziptie or piece of cord affixed tightly directly underneath the gas release lighter can protect against that.
(https://www.survivalresources.com/images/content/SecuringBicLightersInKit.Article.jpg)
Somewhere on Youtube there's an old channel by a guy named MeZillch or something like that who shows convincingly that the zip tie method still allows you to pop the zip tie on and off the lighter. So you don't need to cut it to activate your lighter. And you're still able to pop it back on to put your Bic on "safe". :smiley_knipoog:
I always forget alcohol-based hand sanitizer can be used as fuel/accelerant. Thanks for the reminder.
Finally (for now): beware bargain priced firesteels. The ones Moab links to all look to be good quality. But a lot of super low priced options on Amazon and eBay turn out to be thick rods that are mostly plastic, with just a thin diameter rod of actual ferrocerium material embedded on one side. Enlarge product pictures - especially ones that show the very tip of rod. It's usually visible when it's not solid ferrocerrium. And if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.
I've seen that trick too. And I've had Bics fail. Good point. I'll add it to the post. Maybe I can find a yt vis on being able to take it off and put back on. I'd bet if you didnt tighten the ziptie all the way that you'd be able to get it off and on.
I don't think I mentioned that I carry multiple Bics in my bags either. Like 3 or 4 fullsize ones. I try to keep weight down. But there are little things I won't scimp on. Like lighters and compasses. And cordiage. I have alot of 550 and braided 50lb fishing line here and there in my stuff. I also have sawyer filter in my main pack. But water purification tabs in my fanny pack.
Those USGI fannypacks are the sh*t. They are so large and well made. Bombproof. But you can carry them over or under anything. Pack waistbelt, normal belt, holster. Its the perfect last ditch survival bag. The chest bags are cool. But you can't carry much in them. They are quite small and thin. The usgi fanny pack are like a small backpack. There is tons of room in them.
This guy is small. So it looks a little bigger than it actually is. But they are good sized. Easily the biggest fanny pack I have ever seen. But it rides perfectly. Out of the way of everything else you may have on. And you can turn it around like an ass pack too. I keep a smaller version of everything I carry survival wise in it. So if I ever got separated or had to ditch my pack. I'd still have most of what I'd need to survive. Plus its my main stash for mav, gloves, hat, shemagh, poncho, mora knife. You can carry alot in them.
Between that and my pistol in my chest bag. Its a good system.
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I have the multicam version.
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Regarding the zip tie lighter safety, I've actually seen butane lighters that have a safety already built it to prevent accidental butane release.
Usually it's a little tab on the side that locks the gas button in place and requires you to push the tab out of the way in order to use the lighter.
ETA: It's probably not a secret amongst most of us, but even if your Bic or other lighter is out of fuel, you can still use the striker wheel to light tinder on fire.
Zippo sells a tool that's basically a striker wheel firestarter for like 20 bucks. It's got other stuff with it to make fire starting easier, so you're not just spending 20 bucks on a striker wheel.
Here's that old YT video I was talking about showing the zip tie butane lighter "safety" can come on and off without damaging the zip tie.
https://youtu.be/e6zlrNY5G98?t=360 (https://youtu.be/e6zlrNY5G98?t=360)
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 27, 2023, 08:55:53 PMRegarding the zip tie lighter safety, I've actually seen butane lighters that have a safety already built it to prevent accidental butane release.
Usually it's a little tab on the side that locks the gas button in place and requires you to push the tab out of the way in order to use the lighter.
ETA: It's probably not a secret amongst most of us, but even if your Bic or other lighter is out of fuel, you can still use the striker wheel to light tinder on fire.
Zippo sells a tool that's basically a striker wheel firestarter for like 20 bucks. It's got other stuff with it to make fire starting easier, so you're not just spending 20 bucks on a striker wheel.
Aliexpress also sells everything you could possibly need for a Zippo. You could literally build one from parts. But they also sell o rings and everyanner ofaking the fuel reservoir air tight. To keep fuel from evaporating.
There used to be a chick on ebay that sold different types of flints. Ones that lasted longer. And ones that threw bigger sparks. I bought some. But I don't remember where they are stashed. I put some inside the stuffing of a couple of my zippos.
Quote from: majorhavoc on February 27, 2023, 09:03:42 PMHere's that old YT video I was talking about showing the zip tie butane lighter "safety" can come on and off without damaging the zip tie.
https://youtu.be/e6zlrNY5G98?t=360 (https://youtu.be/e6zlrNY5G98?t=360)
Thats cool. I'm going to post that in the original thread. Thats mandatory!
I stopped smoking about 12 years ago, but I still have every Zippo I bought before I quit.
And the evaporation of fuel was the biggest peeve of mine for Zippos. Well, that and the funky smell of the fuel.
If I start carrying one again, I'm thinking of picking up one of those butane inserts for whatever Zippo I decide to carry. They ain't cheap, but if I don't have to constantly refill the flipping thing every other day, I'll consider it money well spent.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 27, 2023, 09:08:15 PMI stopped smoking about 12 years ago, but I still have every Zippo I bought before I quit.
And the evaporation of fuel was the biggest peeve of mine for Zippos. Well, that and the funky smell of the fuel.
If I start carrying one again, I'm thinking of picking up one of those butane inserts for whatever Zippo I decide to carry. They ain't cheap, but if I don't have to constantly refill the flipping thing every other day, I'll consider it money well spent.
I did a test on here or ZS. Using one of these cases that prevents much of the fual evaporation. It was still lighting 3 months into the test. I filled and left it on my desk. Then tried to light it about once a week. It may have gone longer. I forgot to check it after 3 months.
They are way cheaper direct from china.
General Iiner Case for Zip PO lighters Tactical Lighter Storage Case ( Color : BP-72-BCP ) https://a.co/d/b53PtaH
I had a huge zippo collection. One of my obsessions years back. I still have several. That case makes them at least doable. But you still need fuel.
I forget. What other fluids can you use in them? Besides lighter fluid?
A zippo will run on just about anything.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/zippo-fuel-alternatives/
Maybe I'll put one back in my BOB. With that sealed case above. Bics gotta run out sometime.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 09:19:32 PMA zippo will run on just about anything.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/zippo-fuel-alternatives/
Maybe I'll put one back in my BOB. With that sealed case above. Bics gotta run out sometime.
You ain't lying. BITD most of the paints we used were oil-based and brushes and rollers were cleaned with benzene. My dad and I used to fill our lighters with the stuff, Years later we switched to varnolene, which was only slightly less unhealthy.
Altoids tin EDC GBH Fire Starter Kit.
This is in my EDC bag.
Bic
Magnesium Firestick
2) Fuel Cells. [oversized plastic straws with hand sanitizer sealed inside them]
Leatherman Wingman is for scale.
(https://i.imgur.com/28TfRH9.jpg?2)
I have another Bic in my Maxpedition Mini inside the same EDC bag.
Quote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 09:57:26 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 09:19:32 PMA zippo will run on just about anything.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/zippo-fuel-alternatives/
Maybe I'll put one back in my BOB. With that sealed case above. Bics gotta run out sometime.
You ain't lying. BITD most of the paints we used were oil-based and brushes and rollers were cleaned with benzene. My dad and I used to fill our lighters with the stuff, Years later we switched to varnolene, which was only slightly less unhealthy.
When I was a little kid, I found a lighter like those Zippos, it was out of fuel. And being a kid with little wisdom I just put gasoline in it and it worked.
This is the same kid that made a flame thrower out of an old oil can filled with gasoline. Yeah, I liked fire.
when you filled it up, you lit the tip and it stayed lit like a lamp, but when you turned it over and pressed the bottom a stream of flame shot out. It worked great for recreating Iwo Jima with those little army men.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FvYAAAOSwHglb3zaR%2Fs-l400.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e438eb188cc39694fdc1527713cf97d44074854f47b3931ad9ca294e384018da&ipo=images)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FVhv2RFVjrls%2Fhqdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8814ca9c4f4176a7e09939386354f0e2f2b50444fd647c68bacc40c200853f45&ipo=images) :shades:
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 28, 2023, 12:54:17 PMAltoids tin EDC GBH Fire Starter Kit.
This is in my EDC bag.
Bic
Magnesium Firestick
2) Fuel Cells. [oversized plastic straws with hand sanitizer sealed inside them]
Leatherman Wingman is for scale.
(https://i.imgur.com/28TfRH9.jpg?2)
I have another Bic in my Maxpedition Mini inside the same EDC bag.
The Wingman is my favorite Leatherman. Weight and scissors.
I like the straw strategy here. I will employ this with my smaller fire kits throughout my gear. Great idea!
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 28, 2023, 01:04:53 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 09:57:26 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 09:19:32 PMA zippo will run on just about anything.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/zippo-fuel-alternatives/
Maybe I'll put one back in my BOB. With that sealed case above. Bics gotta run out sometime.
You ain't lying. BITD most of the paints we used were oil-based and brushes and rollers were cleaned with benzene. My dad and I used to fill our lighters with the stuff, Years later we switched to varnolene, which was only slightly less unhealthy.
When I was a little kid, I found a lighter like those Zippos, it was out of fuel. And being a kid with little wisdom I just put gasoline in it and it worked.
This is the same kid that made a flame thrower out of an old oil can filled with gasoline. Yeah, I liked fire.
when you filled it up, you lit the tip and it stayed lit like a lamp, but when you turned it over and pressed the bottom a stream of flame shot out. It worked great for recreating Iwo Jima with those little army men.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FvYAAAOSwHglb3zaR%2Fs-l400.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e438eb188cc39694fdc1527713cf97d44074854f47b3931ad9ca294e384018da&ipo=images)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FVhv2RFVjrls%2Fhqdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8814ca9c4f4176a7e09939386354f0e2f2b50444fd647c68bacc40c200853f45&ipo=images) :shades:
I had the Evil Kneivel doll with the hand crank motorcycle. We always had a 5 gallon can of gas beside the house for the lawnmower. We used to soak him in gas, light him on fire, and jump him off the steps. Lol.
The weird thing was his clothes never burned. Or at least for a long time. Idk what it was made out of. But we all fantasized it was fireproof fabric. Lol.
One day in the middle of winter the nozzle on the 5 gallon gas can caught on fire. We froze. I knew I was a goner. But my friend quickly shoved the nozzle in the snow. And it went out. He was our hero for the rest of the day. Lol.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 28, 2023, 01:04:53 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 09:57:26 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 09:19:32 PMA zippo will run on just about anything.
https://www.primalsurvivor.net/zippo-fuel-alternatives/
Maybe I'll put one back in my BOB. With that sealed case above. Bics gotta run out sometime.
You ain't lying. BITD most of the paints we used were oil-based and brushes and rollers were cleaned with benzene. My dad and I used to fill our lighters with the stuff, Years later we switched to varnolene, which was only slightly less unhealthy.
When I was a little kid, I found a lighter like those Zippos, it was out of fuel. And being a kid with little wisdom I just put gasoline in it and it worked.
This is the same kid that made a flame thrower out of an old oil can filled with gasoline. Yeah, I liked fire.
when you filled it up, you lit the tip and it stayed lit like a lamp, but when you turned it over and pressed the bottom a stream of flame shot out. It worked great for recreating Iwo Jima with those little army men.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FvYAAAOSwHglb3zaR%2Fs-l400.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e438eb188cc39694fdc1527713cf97d44074854f47b3931ad9ca294e384018da&ipo=images)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FVhv2RFVjrls%2Fhqdefault.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8814ca9c4f4176a7e09939386354f0e2f2b50444fd647c68bacc40c200853f45&ipo=images) :shades:
I taped a candle to a can of hairspray I stole from my mother's bathroom. Instant kid-portable flamethrower. Many an insect perished with the deployment of that grade-school force multiplier.
"Kill it with fire" was a well-used phrase from my childhood long before it became an internet meme. :smiley_devil:
When I was in high school, I got tapped to be the kid who burnt Brown Recluse nests by the auto shop building.
My teacher, who was a former Green Beret, had this makeshift flamethrower that was basically a BBQ propane tank on wheels and one of those weed burner things from Home Depot. Guy gives me the rundown on how to operate it safely (which was key because I was a bit of a moron at age 16) and off I went to bring doom to the spiders.
I found out soon that Brown Recluse spiders make a high pitched squeaking sound and pop like a paper bag when you light them on fire.
I'm still surprised I didn't accidentally burn down my school doing that. I'd have figured a spider would've scurried off into a crack somewhere in the building and caught fire to the insulation.
ETA: I just remembered why none of the spiders ever scurried off and burnt down my school.
The actual flamethrower part had a something (about the size and shape of a beer can) on the end that I had to cover the spiders with. I'd pop that over the spider, hit the trigger and roast the little bastard.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Changed your mind? No PM in my box.
And the offer is open to any member who wants one. I have a hundred more already en route to me.
Quote from: NT2C on February 28, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Changed your mind? No PM in my box.
And the offer is open to any member who wants one. I have a hundred more already en route to me.
Sent. Sorry.
Quote from: NT2C on February 28, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Changed your mind? No PM in my box.
And the offer is open to any member who wants one. I have a hundred more already en route to me.
I'll take one. Thanks. :smiley_clap:
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 28, 2023, 12:54:17 PMAltoids tin EDC GBH Fire Starter Kit.
This is in my EDC bag.
Bic
Magnesium Firestick
2) Fuel Cells. [oversized plastic straws with hand sanitizer sealed inside them]
Leatherman Wingman is for scale.
(https://i.imgur.com/28TfRH9.jpg?2)
I have another Bic in my Maxpedition Mini inside the same EDC bag.
Also you can get those large plastic straws at kroger or the dollar store. I have a huge pack of them.
How do you seal the end after you put the flammable hand sanitizer in? I have a food bag sealer. I guess that would work. A lighter seems problematic.
Quote from: Moab on February 28, 2023, 02:30:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 28, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Changed your mind? No PM in my box.
And the offer is open to any member who wants one. I have a hundred more already en route to me.
Sent. Sorry.
Just for that I'm sending you two.
(besides, you were a Marine; you'll manage to break one)
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 28, 2023, 02:34:59 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 28, 2023, 02:12:23 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 06:52:47 PMQuote from: NT2C on February 27, 2023, 06:39:43 PMI just received a box of these (https://a.co/d/6nBnYwd) so I can add one to each of the ten kits I bought. That leaves a few left over and I'd be happy to mail you one for addition to your kit.
Yes. I wanted to add this to the list of items. I have not had time yet to find a single lens or magnifying lens. Did you happen to run across any when looking for these?
And yes. Thank you. I would love to have one. PM incoming.
Changed your mind? No PM in my box.
And the offer is open to any member who wants one. I have a hundred more already en route to me.
I'll take one. Thanks. :smiley_clap:
Will do. I already have the address.
Quote from: Moab on February 28, 2023, 02:41:23 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on February 28, 2023, 12:54:17 PMAltoids tin EDC GBH Fire Starter Kit.
This is in my EDC bag.
Bic
Magnesium Firestick
2) Fuel Cells. [oversized plastic straws with hand sanitizer sealed inside them]
Leatherman Wingman is for scale.
(https://i.imgur.com/28TfRH9.jpg?2)
I have another Bic in my Maxpedition Mini inside the same EDC bag.
Also you can get those large plastic straws at kroger or the dollar store. I have a huge pack of them.
How do you seal the end after you put the flammable hand sanitizer in? I have a food bag sealer. I guess that would work. A lighter seems problematic.
I grip the end to be sealed with needle nosed pliers, my Leatherman, with about 2mm extended beyond the edge and melt it with a Bic.
Same thing after you fill it. It's not an issue. Just don't fill it full, so when you pinch the end the fuel doesn't come out, and even if it does just wipe it off and melt it.
The thing about these vs the hard jars and bottles are they are small and can fit in small spaces, you can also put toothpaste and any other stuff that comes in big containers in them.
PRO TIP: After melting keep holding the straw in the pliers and press some scissors or a butter knife flat against the melted edge to solidify the plastic and even it. Sort of like finishing off the end of paracord to make it nice instead of a mushroom cap blob.
Quote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 05:42:44 PM1) Waterproof container can be as simple as a small, empty, plastic peanut butter jar. A ziplock bag. Or a waterproof hard case. Anything that will keep it dry.
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@Moab I was thinking about your hard containers for storing fuel. And comparing that option to the sealed straw option. I'm going for small size, and I looked at the different hard options available and even the smallest ones are kinda big for the Altoids minimalist kits. I did find 1/3 oz snap top ones that look nice and they are pretty inexpensive but I'm not going to make 100 fire kits. [They're sold in bulk for pennies]
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudioj8m.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F51lIulBMT9L._SL160_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=cfca20199820e24da17c33853c18540035c8bdb7349963df03e3e28c71f4734c&ipo=images)
But I did find this that wasn't mentioned that might also work well for Vaseline. Not so much for the hand sanitizer.
Its the lip balm dispenser. I'm not going to buy this but I think I have a ChapStick somewhere at home and can take the balm out and replace it with Vaseline to see if it works.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi5.walmartimages.com%2Fasr%2F6646f70f-82e4-4b3d-8fae-165665338c01_1.6be2ac79f5d054bec336ffe3729e1aaf.jpeg%3FodnWidth%3D612%26odnHeight%3D612%26odnBg%3Dffffff&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4865c58417d5e4a89901d88f9abea320489de9c5292e756eab44c2dc207f7738&ipo=images)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013VKVA4A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2HPCTZPCCVCQP&psc=1
container with lid measures 2.625" inches (6.7 centimeters).
Quote from: MacWa77ace on March 01, 2023, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 05:42:44 PM1) Waterproof container can be as simple as a small, empty, plastic peanut butter jar. A ziplock bag. Or a waterproof hard case. Anything that will keep it dry.
Screenshot_20230227_153202_Chrome.jpg (https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2165;type=preview;file)
@Moab I was thinking about your hard containers for storing fuel. And comparing that option to the sealed straw option. I'm going for small size, and I looked at the different hard options available and even the smallest ones are kinda big for the Altoids minimalist kits. I did find 1/3 oz snap top ones that look nice and they are pretty inexpensive but I'm not going to make 100 fire kits. [They're sold in bulk for pennies]
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudioj8m.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F51lIulBMT9L._SL160_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=cfca20199820e24da17c33853c18540035c8bdb7349963df03e3e28c71f4734c&ipo=images)
But I did find this that wasn't mentioned that might also work well for Vaseline. Not so much for the hand sanitizer.
Its the lip balm dispenser. I'm not going to buy this but I think I have a ChapStick somewhere at home and can take the balm out and replace it with Vaseline to see if it works.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi5.walmartimages.com%2Fasr%2F6646f70f-82e4-4b3d-8fae-165665338c01_1.6be2ac79f5d054bec336ffe3729e1aaf.jpeg%3FodnWidth%3D612%26odnHeight%3D612%26odnBg%3Dffffff&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4865c58417d5e4a89901d88f9abea320489de9c5292e756eab44c2dc207f7738&ipo=images)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013VKVA4A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2HPCTZPCCVCQP&psc=1
container with lid measures 2.625" inches (6.7 centimeters).
Why bother removing the balm? Chapstick is primarily petroleum jelly, mineral oil, paraffin and other waxes, isn't it? Would it be any less of a firestarting aid than Vaseline?
Quote from: majorhavoc on March 01, 2023, 01:24:06 PMWhy bother removing the balm? Chapstick is primarily petroleum jelly, mineral oil, paraffin and other waxes, isn't it? Would it be any less of a firestarting aid than Vaseline?
Sounds like a field experiment for UFoZS Labs! :awesome:
Quote from: NT2C on March 01, 2023, 01:29:00 PMQuote from: majorhavoc on March 01, 2023, 01:24:06 PMWhy bother removing the balm? Chapstick is primarily petroleum jelly, mineral oil, paraffin and other waxes, isn't it? Would it be any less of a firestarting aid than Vaseline?
Sounds like a field experiment for UFoZS Labs! :awesome:
I'm going to do it!
:rolleyes1:
I have no idea whats in the Chapstick, i just know i have one in my nightstand. I never use the stuff. don't even know how I got it, maybe in my Christmas stocking on year. The only thing is that I think its really old so if there was any petroleum in it, it may have evaporated. I always thought it was more waxy but wax coating on tinder helps with ignition IIRC.
I'll see if it ignites if I remember when I get home tonight. And if its not great, I know Vaseline is and I'll replace the lip balm with some useful nay palm.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on March 01, 2023, 01:14:50 PMQuote from: Moab on February 27, 2023, 05:42:44 PM1) Waterproof container can be as simple as a small, empty, plastic peanut butter jar. A ziplock bag. Or a waterproof hard case. Anything that will keep it dry.
Screenshot_20230227_153202_Chrome.jpg (https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=2165;type=preview;file)
@Moab I was thinking about your hard containers for storing fuel. And comparing that option to the sealed straw option. I'm going for small size, and I looked at the different hard options available and even the smallest ones are kinda big for the Altoids minimalist kits. I did find 1/3 oz snap top ones that look nice and they are pretty inexpensive but I'm not going to make 100 fire kits. [They're sold in bulk for pennies]
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudioj8m.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fimages%2F51lIulBMT9L._SL160_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=cfca20199820e24da17c33853c18540035c8bdb7349963df03e3e28c71f4734c&ipo=images)
But I did find this that wasn't mentioned that might also work well for Vaseline. Not so much for the hand sanitizer.
Its the lip balm dispenser. I'm not going to buy this but I think I have a ChapStick somewhere at home and can take the balm out and replace it with Vaseline to see if it works.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi5.walmartimages.com%2Fasr%2F6646f70f-82e4-4b3d-8fae-165665338c01_1.6be2ac79f5d054bec336ffe3729e1aaf.jpeg%3FodnWidth%3D612%26odnHeight%3D612%26odnBg%3Dffffff&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=4865c58417d5e4a89901d88f9abea320489de9c5292e756eab44c2dc207f7738&ipo=images)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013VKVA4A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2HPCTZPCCVCQP&psc=1
container with lid measures 2.625" inches (6.7 centimeters).
The peanut butter jar was meant as a holder for the entire kit. To place in your pack. That way everything stays dry. And its a cheaper alternative to a pelican type case. As linked below it. And something you could throw together right now. With simple matches, lighter, dryer lint and vaseline. And your good to go.
But yes there are many of those small containers for sale all over the place. For accelerant and tinder etc. I linked some nice military surplus ones here.
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=790.0
But many other options on aliexpress. Probably ebay too.
I didn't concentrate on alot of that. As I figured off the shelf options would fit in a peanut butter jar. But I would still like to find another waterproof container. That is either free. Or more readily available than 2 months shipping from china.
Anyone got any ideas?
I was thinking of those old Alice era first aid kits. (Not waterproof.) But something like that. An old forgotten piece of surplus. Or something in your kitchen. You get the idea.
Also it would be great if anyone that wanted could search for alternatives for each item listed. From an easier source. And for cheap. Maybe from ebay or ? We can always improve this list. By updating the links.
Again I was only using direct from china to get the price down. As I was concetrating on the "entry level" part of things. But it might be more entry level by making it easier to aquire materials.
And it seems like a larger or two part idea. In maybe we not only suggest an entry level kit. But we also try to work on a "best" fire kit. As our discussion seems to be improving our already advanced level kits.
I like the idea of a main fire kit for say your pack. And a mini fire kit for your cargo pocket or chestrig or fanny pack or ? That might just include a small bic lighter, a small fire steel, a small bit of dryer lint and vaseline in a straw. That could be very small. And maybe just carried in a small ziplock. Or other small pocket friendly container. That could be like 2x2x.5 inches almost. Sh*t I could build that in about 10 minutes. I have all the materials here.
Chapstick is a great idea too. But I think in terms of burn time, dryer lint or cotton and vaseline might have that beat. As chapstick would be only an accelerant. Without the lint or cotton as a combustible material. But its good trick to have up your sleeve. I edc chapstik everyday.
Keep the suggestions coming.
Also after having to fire up the wood can stoves I used to sell. Time after time in testing. I can tell you a small or even medium consumer bottle of hand sanitizer is necessary for starting a small wood fire everyday. A straw of it might help with the proper tinder. For one time use. But being able to squirt an ounce or two on small sticks or tinder. And have it stay going long enough to get your fire started. Its quicker and easier than vaseline and lint or cotton.
But long term Vaseline and lint/cotton is a more doable option. As it burns longer. And you don't need as much. A small pinch out of my nag shown above will light a fire no problem with proper tinder. And I could probably get 10 to 20 days out of that 4x4 ziplock bag of it. Its maybe half an inch thick of lint and vaseline.
I think if your gonna use hand sanitizer its for a quick fire. And vaseline with lint/cotton takes a smaller amount, has a longer burn time, for more multiple days of fire starting. Really I only included it as its something I've had packed as an alternative to stopping and washing your hands with water and soap. So its like a double duty item.
But I almost think it should be mentioned as an alternative - if you have it on you - but maybe not an essential fire kit item.
Even a straw tube of vaseline/lint/cotton is better than a straw tube of hand sanitizer. And without a good sealed bottle the hand sanitizer can evaporate way faster than vaseline ever would. I'm not even sure how long it would take vaseline to evaporate.
The only thing better I can think of is if one of these commerical firestarters is made of a combination of vaseline and wax. Or some other combination fo fuels we are not aware of. With longer burn times per volume. I would assume someone on yt has tested this.
If you use hand sanitizer as firestarter fuel, make sure you get the kind without any moisturizing stuff in it.
Also make sure it's got a high alcohol content. I think anything less than 70% alcohol won't work.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 01, 2023, 04:37:42 PMIf you use hand sanitizer as firestarter fuel, make sure you get the kind without any moisturizing stuff in it.
Also make sure it's got a high alcohol content. I think anything less than 70% alcohol won't work.
And make sure you didn't just clean your hands with it before lighting it.
Quote from: NT2C on March 01, 2023, 05:08:36 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 01, 2023, 04:37:42 PMIf you use hand sanitizer as firestarter fuel, make sure you get the kind without any moisturizing stuff in it.
Also make sure it's got a high alcohol content. I think anything less than 70% alcohol won't work.
And make sure you didn't just clean your hands with it before lighting it.
Lmao!!! Sorry. That was just really funny. Good one!
Thats like the guy standing outside the hospital with his oxygen tank. Smoking a cigerette.
Quote from: NT2C on March 01, 2023, 05:08:36 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 01, 2023, 04:37:42 PMIf you use hand sanitizer as firestarter fuel, make sure you get the kind without any moisturizing stuff in it.
Also make sure it's got a high alcohol content. I think anything less than 70% alcohol won't work.
And make sure you didn't just clean your hands with it before lighting it.
Yeah, that wouldn't be good. :eek1:
Quote from: Moab on March 01, 2023, 05:12:51 PMQuote from: NT2C on March 01, 2023, 05:08:36 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 01, 2023, 04:37:42 PMIf you use hand sanitizer as firestarter fuel, make sure you get the kind without any moisturizing stuff in it.
Also make sure it's got a high alcohol content. I think anything less than 70% alcohol won't work.
And make sure you didn't just clean your hands with it before lighting it.
Lmao!!! Sorry. That was just really funny. Good one!
Thats like the guy standing outside the hospital with his oxygen tank. Smoking a cigerette.
I've actually seen that.
As soon as I heard the lighter clicking, I got up from the bench I was sitting on and moved as far away as I could before the dingus blew himself up.
A crayon can be used as a candle like fire starter. Stand upright, maybe add some wood shavings to help hold it. Light the top and either have the kindling already piled I like the teepee . or build the kindling stack over the flame of the candle.
What ever ya do don't use gas in a gas can , pour gas from said can onto a fire, then run around in a circle with a flaming gas can over your head, don't splash flaming gas from said gas can that's over your head onto your head and shoulders.
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=1253.msg25432#msg25432
I've thought about this and I think the lighter fluid is un needed. I figure it would evaporate. None of the other videos I've seen on this method use anything but wax. I bought the parrafin and cotton rounds but have not made them yet.
Quote from: flybynight on March 01, 2023, 06:42:08 PMhttps://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=1253.msg25432#msg25432
I've thought about this and I think the lighter fluid is un needed. I figure it would evaporate. None of the other videos I've seen on this method use anything but wax. I bought the parrafin and cotton rounds but have not made them yet.
I remember watching that video when you first posted it and thinking it was pretty cool. I wonder if the parrafin somehow fixes or binds to the lighter fluid and prevents it from evaporating.
Maybe it's like cooking: follow the recipe to the letter the first time you make something, so you have a baseline how it's supposed to be. Then start changing things up. :smiley_chinrub:
https://youtu.be/aDFNEKKZrnw
Can anyone top this guys video? I've watched a few. And this is the best I've come up with.
Watch till very end. When he soaks a used one, wrings out the water and relights it. I'm convinced adding wax to the vaseline is the way to go. Much longer burn time.
He basically dips make up pads in heated vaseline. Lets them cool. Then dips them twice in wax. Cooling between rounds. Comments state cheaper pads are better. Cause they tare apart easier and fluff up better. So probably buying this all at walmart is a good idea.
He stores them in a twist top flat tin. I forget from which product. But you could easily find a similar waterproof container. Or just use a ziplock. I would prefer a smaller size. But just like lint you can tare these apart into smaller sizes. You don't have to use the whole thing.
He does not test burn times. But other videos like below show wax burns much longer than just vaseline. Jump to 6 minute mark. This guy dips the bottom of a cotton ball in wax. And soaks vaseline into the top. Using the top like a wick. Burn time beats vaseline only by a long shot. Total burn time is 13:30 wax and vaseline on a cotton ball.
https://youtu.be/U2GBjuFYVsE
Not that you'll always need it. But the burn time on either of these almost gets you to the point of the purpose of a tea candle.
Lastly, I also read a comment where a guy mixes normal paraffin wax and bees wax for an even longer burn time. That may be the holy grail. Wax, bees wax, vaseline and make up pads.
I also saw the video on lighter fluid. But I don't see where your not going to lose some from evaporation. This just doesn't seem foolproof.
I wish they made smaller make up pads.
Just a short rant on research using yt videos.
1) There are some real idiots that do not research anything before posting videos presenting themselves as experts. What a bunch of buffoons! But worse yet. What a waste of so many peoples time.
2) Everyone that posts a review video of any kind. Should be required to provide a synopsis or breakdown of there final results in the description. Even if its just a list of the top 5 products and who came in first. Then you can decide to go watch that section of his video. If you want more information. Otherwise, who has time to sit thru a 10, 15 or 20 minute video? Only to find out 9 minutes in that the guys an idiot. Or his methodolgies are crap.
I love a good "this is how you do x" video. And it has 500k views so you know its worth your time. But damn. What a time consuming way to research something that there are multiple comparisons for. Not to mention the comments!
This is where forums shine. You can sort of tell by post count if a guys been around or not. And if what hes saying is stupid. At least on a forum the other members will question and vet his information. Plus we keep stickies. Which can take you directly to the info you need. And if any of the information in a sticky was wrong you'd certainly hear about it from members comments.
The internet seems to get dumber and dumber.
Rant off.
Quote from: Moab on March 01, 2023, 07:39:10 PMThis is where forums shine. You can sort of tell by post count if a guys been around or not. And if what hes saying is stupid.
Your argument falls apart when you consider my high post count. :clownshoes:
I may be remembering wrong, but didn't WoodsWalker make a video on homemade firestarting stuff ?
And what about the dos xx guy, or was it E F Hutton, they have a low post count, but when they speak, people listen. :greenguy:
Dr Grauci just came out of the UFoZS testing facility and announced that ChapStick contains 41% White Petrolatum which is not a good fire starting fuel.
"It just melted when a flame was applied" was the pertinent verbiage in the technical release.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on March 01, 2023, 08:25:10 PMAnd what about the dos xx guy, or was it E F Hutton, they have a low post count, but when they speak, people listen. :greenguy:
Dr Grauci just came out of the UFoZS testing facility and announced that ChapStick contains 41% White Petrolatum which is not a good fire starting fuel.
"It just melted when a flame was applied" was the pertinent verbiage in the technical release.
Just as well. Setting your lips on fire while lighting a cig might ruin the taste. And if your lips are on fire can you even blow them out?
Quote from: MacWa77ace on March 01, 2023, 08:25:10 PMAnd what about the dos xx guy, or was it E F Hutton, they have a low post count, but when they speak, people listen. :greenguy:
Dr Grauci just came out of the UFoZS testing facility and announced that ChapStick contains 41% White Petrolatum which is not a good fire starting fuel.
"It just melted when a flame was applied" was the pertinent verbiage in the technical release.
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Quote from: NT2C on March 01, 2023, 08:32:22 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on March 01, 2023, 08:25:10 PMAnd what about the dos xx guy, or was it E F Hutton, they have a low post count, but when they speak, people listen. :greenguy:
Dr Grauci just came out of the UFoZS testing facility and announced that ChapStick contains 41% White Petrolatum which is not a good fire starting fuel.
"It just melted when a flame was applied" was the pertinent verbiage in the technical release.
Just as well. Setting your lips on fire while lighting a cig might ruin the taste. And if your lips are on fire can you even blow them out?
I guess that gives a whole new meaning to the nickname "Hot Lips". :eek1:
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 01, 2023, 08:19:44 PMI may be remembering wrong, but didn't WoodsWalker make a video on homemade firestarting stuff ?
Yea. He made more than several. He was big on char cloth, chagga , fat wood and feather sticks. He also always had a couple of converted bic lighters .he would saw off the bottom. Fill it full of Vaseline soaked cotton balls and seal it with wax. . , He duct taped a loop of Paracord and attached it to his pack.. instant emergency firekit. Cotton balls, wax, Paracord and duct tape for combustables . Flint and wheel for the spark
https://youtu.be/wG0Rki8s-B4
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Quote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 01:04:21 AMQIMEI The World's Smallest Kerosene Lighter! Height 2.5cm/φ 1.3cm Capsule Lighter (https://a.co/d/fyGf7oZ)
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I have that on my keychain, along with an Olight i3r or something another, a LM Style CS and a Tru-Utility telescoping pen. I usually also EDC a folder and occasionally a full size multitool.
But my keychain contains what I've discovered to be the bare minimum I need to get thru the day. And the maximum I can trust myself to
always have on my person.
Woodswalker was the master of fire starting. I think most of his many videos were on fire starting. And one of my favorite human beings. He was one of the main heart and souls of ZS. I miss him greatly.
I wonder which fuel burns the longest? In say a sealed peanut lighter?
A peanut lighter would be an ultimate paw lighter. That sealed case for a Zippo tested at 3 months. It lit. But I have no way of knowing how much fuel might have evaporated. A peanut lighter with a good seal seems more foolproof.
I wonder if there is a Zippo of peanut lighters?
I think maybe the Zippo of the peanut lighter world would probably be IMCO, but I don't know if they're still in business or not.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 02:29:21 PMI think maybe the Zippo of the peanut lighter world would probably be IMCO, but I don't know if they're still in business or not.
The original manufacturer closed a couple of years back. They did however sell the name to a japanese one, so their most famous lighter version is still being produced. They are now made in china, but as far as I can tell the quality is the same.
If I was a well organised person I'd post some pictures to compare the made in austria vs china, but I have no idea where they currently are.
Quote from: tirls on March 02, 2023, 03:06:33 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 02:29:21 PMI think maybe the Zippo of the peanut lighter world would probably be IMCO, but I don't know if they're still in business or not.
The original manufacturer closed a couple of years back. They did however sell the name to a japanese one, so their most famous lighter version is still being produced. They are now made in china, but as far as I can tell the quality is the same.
If I was a well organised person I'd post some pictures to compare the made in austria vs china, but I have no idea where they currently are.
I remember IMCO going out of business, but I didn't know they had sold off the name to a Japanese corporation.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 03:50:20 PMQuote from: tirls on March 02, 2023, 03:06:33 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 02:29:21 PMI think maybe the Zippo of the peanut lighter world would probably be IMCO, but I don't know if they're still in business or not.
The original manufacturer closed a couple of years back. They did however sell the name to a japanese one, so their most famous lighter version is still being produced. They are now made in china, but as far as I can tell the quality is the same.
If I was a well organised person I'd post some pictures to compare the made in austria vs china, but I have no idea where they currently are.
I remember IMCO going out of business, but I didn't know they had sold off the name to a Japanese corporation.
You can find them on Aliexpress now. Let me see if I have a link...
Original IMCO Lighter Old Gasoline Flint Lighter Windproof Stainless Steel Cigarette Petrol Oil Lighter Inflated Gadgets Man (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803756878598.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.77.7f249b76h2Rtn7&algo_pvid=2df7b861-34c2-4345-8d39-bd4668e6f881&algo_exp_id=2df7b861-34c2-4345-8d39-bd4668e6f881-38&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000027523788563%22%7D&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2112.85%218.99%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf04a16777941248347258d0710%2112000027523788563%21sea%21US%214183842382&curPageLogUid=Y8rnrFnWKPge)
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This one may be a little complicated...
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I didn't realize Rube Goldberg made a lighter. :smiley_crocodile:
Quote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 03:56:44 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 03:50:20 PMQuote from: tirls on March 02, 2023, 03:06:33 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 02:29:21 PMI think maybe the Zippo of the peanut lighter world would probably be IMCO, but I don't know if they're still in business or not.
The original manufacturer closed a couple of years back. They did however sell the name to a japanese one, so their most famous lighter version is still being produced. They are now made in china, but as far as I can tell the quality is the same.
If I was a well organised person I'd post some pictures to compare the made in austria vs china, but I have no idea where they currently are.
I remember IMCO going out of business, but I didn't know they had sold off the name to a Japanese corporation.
You can find them on Aliexpress now. Let me see if I have a link...
Original IMCO Lighter Old Gasoline Flint Lighter Windproof Stainless Steel Cigarette Petrol Oil Lighter Inflated Gadgets Man (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803756878598.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.77.7f249b76h2Rtn7&algo_pvid=2df7b861-34c2-4345-8d39-bd4668e6f881&algo_exp_id=2df7b861-34c2-4345-8d39-bd4668e6f881-38&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000027523788563%22%7D&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2112.85%218.99%21%21%21%21%21%40211bf04a16777941248347258d0710%2112000027523788563%21sea%21US%214183842382&curPageLogUid=Y8rnrFnWKPge)
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That doesn't look as well sealed as a peanut lighter though.
I've gone through several peanut lighters now. The first one was from CountyComm and worked fine until one day I found that I only had the lid for it, as the body had come unscrewed and fallen off my keychain somewhere.
Not willing to spend a bunch of money only to lose it like that again (I have a history of the same thing happening to keychain flashlights, which is why I stopped using ones that have a twist-on function), I bought a cheaper one on Amazon. That one worked for a few years, until the "cheap" aspect caught up to me when the internals on it came apart. For now, I've been carrying an arc lighter ("plasma" lighter). Not as ideal, but until I come with something else, it'll have to do.
Quote from: EBuff75 on March 02, 2023, 04:30:40 PMI've gone through several peanut lighters now. The first one was from CountyComm and worked fine until one day I found that I only had the lid for it, as the body had come unscrewed and fallen off my keychain somewhere.
Not willing to spend a bunch of money only to lose it like that again (I have a history of the same thing happening to keychain flashlights, which is why I stopped using ones that have a twist-on function), I bought a cheaper one on Amazon. That one worked for a few years, until the "cheap" aspect caught up to me when the internals on it came apart. For now, I've been carrying an arc lighter ("plasma" lighter). Not as ideal, but until I come with something else, it'll have to do.
The rechargeable Olight keyring lights don't come apart, so nothing to get lost if it unscrews, it just opens the USB C port.
Quote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 04:02:46 PMThis one may be a little complicated...
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When in doubt, steam punk the shit out of a good design ...
Quote from: majorhavoc on March 02, 2023, 07:04:59 PMQuote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 04:02:46 PMThis one may be a little complicated...
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When in doubt, steam punk the shit out of a good design ...
Quote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 07:54:57 PMQuote from: majorhavoc on March 02, 2023, 07:04:59 PMQuote from: NT2C on March 02, 2023, 04:02:46 PMThis one may be a little complicated...
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When in doubt, steam punk the shit out of a good design ...
Gears but does not a steampunk nerfgun make ...
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I give you, Dr. Gustaff's Hydrosonic Bloviator!
Is it wrong that I kind of want one of those steampunk Nerf guns ?
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on March 02, 2023, 08:32:38 PMIs it wrong that I kind of want one of those steampunk Nerf guns ?
Plenty of DIY videos on YT. That's how I made the Bolviator. :greenguy:
My next project:
https://hasbropulse.com/products/nerf-lmtd-aliens-m41-a-blaster (https://hasbropulse.com/products/nerf-lmtd-aliens-m41-a-blaster)
But with film correct color scheme. Again, YT is your friend.
I've always had a fondness for the Permanent Matches (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082WSDF42?tag=disastershelt-20) similar to these. They work pretty good, last for a long time before needing to change the wick, and the new versions don't leak anymore.
These look worth making. I would make one with glow in the dark 550.
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Quote from: majorhavoc on March 01, 2023, 06:55:35 PMQuote from: flybynight on March 01, 2023, 06:42:08 PMhttps://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=1253.msg25432#msg25432
I've thought about this and I think the lighter fluid is un needed. I figure it would evaporate. None of the other videos I've seen on this method use anything but wax. I bought the parrafin and cotton rounds but have not made them yet.
I remember watching that video when you first posted it and thinking it was pretty cool. I wonder if the parrafin somehow fixes or binds to the lighter fluid and prevents it from evaporating.
Maybe it's like cooking: follow the recipe to the letter the first time you make something, so you have a baseline how it's supposed to be. Then start changing things up. :smiley_chinrub:
So made these last night. Not hard at all. Used only the paraffin , no lighter fluid. Half a block of paraffin made 12 with a 13th not completely soaked through. After they cooled , I took one outside and tried it out. I tore it to expose the cotton fiber and with one strike of ferro rod it caught flame and burned well for seven minutes. Wasn't trying to start a fire , but no doubt in my mind this would make campfire starting easy
https://youtube.com/shorts/H6MBxaBqg7k?feature=share
Quote from: flybynight on March 22, 2023, 08:31:12 PMhttps://youtube.com/shorts/H6MBxaBqg7k?feature=share
What does turpintine do? I guess the question is how does it waterproof? I always thought it was a flammable. Don't recall if I've ever used it.
My understanding is that using the turpentine forces all of the water out of the wood of the match, allowing the matches to become impervious to water due to the turpentine impregnating the wood. The only issue I'd see is that eventually the turpentine will deteriorate over time, meaning that the matches will only be good for a few months before they need to be redone.
Quote from: Brekar on March 22, 2023, 11:35:57 PMMy understanding is that using the turpentine forces all of the water out of the wood of the match, allowing the matches to become impervious to water due to the turpentine impregnating the wood. The only issue I'd see is that eventually the turpentine will deteriorate over time, meaning that the matches will only be good for a few months before they need to be redone.
It's distilled tree resin. Think Jurassic park.
I guess if you used 'mineral' turpentine that wouldn't last 'cause its not real turpentine.
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Oh I knew that. I probably should have said that. Several of the videos or pages I've seen where they use "turpentine" they mention it degrading. I always assumed they were using the white spirits version when that was mentioned. I just neglected to say that I would recommend using the natural version over the mineral spirits version...
Quote from: Brekar on March 23, 2023, 08:00:27 PMOh I knew that. I probably should have said that. Several of the videos or pages I've seen where they use "turpentine" they mention it degrading. I always assumed they were using the white spirits version when that was mentioned. I just neglected to say that I would recommend using the natural version over the mineral spirits version...
Wouldn't wax be better? I guess not if your were fighting fires. Lol. But for everybody else I'd think wax would work.
Personally I'd think that wax would be easier and better long term.
Quote from: Brekar on March 23, 2023, 10:40:49 PMPersonally I'd think that wax would be easier and better long term.
I wonder if it would clog up the striker material?
Possibly. When I get a chance I'll make a few with my boys and report back.