War in Ukraine

[Ever (Zombiepreparation)]

That could happen? Wait, of course it could. (face palm)

I vote for that one, the false info leak, and that it works.

[majorhavoc]

That could happen? Wait, of course it could. (face palm)

I vote for that one, the false info leak, and that it works.

Yeah but I was wrong. It was just a stupid 21 yo kid posting shit online to impress his 25 member gaming group on Discord. My younger friends tell me I just don't understand the social media generation.  They roll their eyes when I say don't post anything online that you're not comfortable showing up on the front page of the New York Times.

Admittedly the printed newspaper metaphor is dated, but that shit will bite you in the ass every time. 

[Anianna]

Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries killed each other in a shootout after blaming each other for their war failures, Ukrainian government says

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-wagner-mercenaries-killed-085946555.html

[mzmc]

Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries killed each other in a shootout after blaming each other for their war failures, Ukrainian government says

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-wagner-mercenaries-killed-085946555.html

Interesting.🤔

Meanwhile, russian companies and oligarchs have been sending their own units. The whole thing starts to look a little... feudalistic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsS3KLvqMyM

[majorhavoc]

Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries killed each other in a shootout after blaming each other for their war failures, Ukrainian government says

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-wagner-mercenaries-killed-085946555.html

You know, when I first glanced at your post, I thought the blame game came after they accidentally fired upon each other.  Tragic, but understandable in the fog of war.  But no, they got in a pissing match and deliberately opened fire on each other.

How is it we were ever afraid of the Russian military? "Oh, we can't do {x} it might be seen a provocation."  Provoke them into doing what?  Trip over themselves?   At this point, I'm willing to believe they'd get their asses handed to them by Luxembourg.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries killed each other in a shootout after blaming each other for their war failures, Ukrainian government says

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-troops-wagner-mercenaries-killed-085946555.html

You know, when I first glanced at your post, I thought the blame game came after they accidentally fired upon each other.  Tragic, but understandable in the fog of war.  But no, they got in a pissing match and deliberately opened fire on each other.

How is it we were ever afraid of the Russian military? "Oh, we can't do {x} it might be seen a provocation."  Provoke them into doing what?  Trip over themselves?   At this point, I'm willing to believe they'd get their asses handed to them by Luxembourg.

They probably would too.

They'd probably even get their asses handed to them by Lichtenstein and they don't even have an army anymore.

[mzmc]

They'd probably even get their asses handed to them by Lichtenstein and they don't even have an army anymore.

Worse. They've got the Swiss. You don't fuck with the Swiss.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

They'd probably even get their asses handed to them by Lichtenstein and they don't even have an army anymore.

Worse. They've got the Swiss. You don't fuck with the Swiss.

I mean, the Russians fucked around with the Finns and we all know how that one turned out for them.

[Lambykins]

Wandering around various news sites and I picked up a couple of things/info that may be accurate or wildly inaccurate.
1) Some German news outlets have stated that a drone armed with 17 kilograms of explosives was meant to target Putin as he made an inspection trip to a military site, but drone missed it's target and instead hit some sort of ammo dump. Supposedly, the attempted assassination story was leaked by individual(s) in the German intelligence community. RT and other Russian news outlets have been stating it was (either) a deliberate or accidental destruction of a WW2 ammo/equipment storage depot. 

2) The US has sent N.E.S.T. (Nuclear Emergency Support Team) to Ukraine to place sensors around the country to detect any and all nuclear attacks on Ukraine. This was reported by quite a few news outlets but was very muted and downplayed. European news outlets don't seem to be reporting on this at all.

Thoughts? Opinions?

[majorhavoc]

I've heard 2) and am inclined to believe it.


1) is "news" to me.  Seems like quite a coincidence that a missed assassination attempt would instead hit an ammunition dump.  I find it unlikely that Putin would be doing any sort of inspection of any facility that could be considered a military target. 

[Anianna]

I knew there were nuclear support teams working in Ukraine, but I didn't know if any were specifically US. 

I recall a deliberate attack on an ammo dump near some Russian barracks or base facilities.  Didn't we make fun of them here for keeping the ammo too close?  I might have encountered that elsewhere.  It sounds like some articles may be conflating two separate incidents. 

[MacWa77ace]

2) The US has sent N.E.S.T. (Nuclear Emergency Support Team) to Ukraine to place sensors around the country to detect any and all nuclear attacks on Ukraine. This was reported by quite a few news outlets but was very muted and downplayed. European news outlets don't seem to be reporting on this at all.

Thoughts? Opinions?

IIRC any nuclear explosion emits an EMP that can currently be detected anywhere on the planet with no additional 'sensors' added. Just like a lightning strike can be detected on a weather app to its 'exact' location. Also there are probably seismic sensors that are in or can reach into Ukraine that will detect any large bangs.

So that leaves detection of a 'dirty b0mb'. Which is not a tactical weapon, not a big bang, no EMP, and sort of useless as a weapon of war. Not immediately deadly to those in the 'cone' of radiation. In this scenario it'd be a 'weapon of denial' keeping humans out of a certain area for a thousand years. Not sure there would ever be a reason to use one in Ukraine.

So I don't know why they'd need to put in sensors and make a big deal about it. Unless its a cover for some other operation.

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[majorhavoc]

2) The US has sent N.E.S.T. (Nuclear Emergency Support Team) to Ukraine to place sensors around the country to detect any and all nuclear attacks on Ukraine. This was reported by quite a few news outlets but was very muted and downplayed. European news outlets don't seem to be reporting on this at all.

Thoughts? Opinions?

IIRC any nuclear explosion emits an EMP that can currently be detected anywhere on the planet with no additional 'sensors' added. Just like a lightning strike can be detected on a weather app to its 'exact' location. Also there are probably seismic sensors that are in or can reach into Ukraine that will detect any large bangs.

So that leaves detection of a 'dirty b0mb'.

[snip]

My thinking is that if the US expects to spearhead a decisive international response to a Russian tactical nuclear strike, it's going to need prompt, irrefutable proof that it was of Russian origin.  So I suspect the purpose of the nuclear inspectors and sensors isn't so much to detect a nuclear explosion, but to identify telltale 'signatures' so it can be authoritatively ascribed to Russia.

[Uomo Senza Nome]

2) The US has sent N.E.S.T. (Nuclear Emergency Support Team) to Ukraine to place sensors around the country to detect any and all nuclear attacks on Ukraine. This was reported by quite a few news outlets but was very muted and downplayed. European news outlets don't seem to be reporting on this at all.

Thoughts? Opinions?

IIRC any nuclear explosion emits an EMP that can currently be detected anywhere on the planet with no additional 'sensors' added. Just like a lightning strike can be detected on a weather app to its 'exact' location. Also there are probably seismic sensors that are in or can reach into Ukraine that will detect any large bangs.

So that leaves detection of a 'dirty b0mb'.

[snip]

My thinking is that if the US expects to spearhead a decisive international response to a Russian tactical nuclear strike, it's going to need prompt, irrefutable proof that it was of Russian origin.  So I suspect the purpose of the nuclear inspectors and sensors isn't so much to detect a nuclear explosion, but to identify telltale 'signatures' so it can be authoritatively ascribed to Russia.

I don't want a big meal.

[EBuff75]

The Infographics Show on YouTube just did an episode about some of the issues Russia is having right now, including that the military is fractured, with each republic recruiting, training, and equipping their own people (leading to mismatched weapons and training).  Additionally, I didn't know that there are multiple private armies fighting in the war.  I knew about Wagner, but wasn't familiar with the other major one called Patriot.  Apparently, they hate each other, to the extent that they'll do things like tip off Ukraine to where the other one is located!

And with all the people who are defecting, NATO and Ukraine are getting all sorts of inside info on their government, military, and security services.  All-in-all, this is one of the more interesting videos that they've posted in a while.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8GIZW7C4D8

[NT2C]

[Z.O.R.G.]

It's roughly 300 miles from the closest point of Ukraine to Moscow, with likely quite a bit of radar pickets along the way.  A sophisticated drone that could evade the radar for that long would likely have a better targeting system and hit something important.  Explosion looked to be low-order and not .mil grade as well.  

[NT2C]

It's roughly 300 miles from the closest point of Ukraine to Moscow, with likely quite a bit of radar pickets along the way.  A sophisticated drone that could evade the radar for that long would likely have a better targeting system and hit something important.  Explosion looked to be low-order and not .mil grade as well. 

[Anianna]

It's roughly 300 miles from the closest point of Ukraine to Moscow, with likely quite a bit of radar pickets along the way.  A sophisticated drone that could evade the radar for that long would likely have a better targeting system and hit something important.  Explosion looked to be low-order and not .mil grade as well. 

Sure, if Russia hasn't updated their tech in the last 30+ years.  Granted, in many ways it seems they haven't, but they do have a satellite (Kosmos-2558) that seems to be chasing one of our military satellites, so they're not entirely without more modern tech. 

[DarkAxel]

It's roughly 300 miles from the closest point of Ukraine to Moscow, with likely quite a bit of radar pickets along the way.  A sophisticated drone that could evade the radar for that long would likely have a better targeting system and hit something important.  Explosion looked to be low-order and not .mil grade as well. 

Let us also not forget that we can't even be sure the radar pickets in Russia are even functional or crewed by halfway competent troops.

But I still don't think they came from Ukraine. If Ukraine had drones capable of hitting targets in Moscow, they'd be using them for more meaningful targets like the Kerch Strait Bridge, supply dumps, troop concentrations, vehicle maintenance areas, and other targets that make more sense for defeating Russia. Besides, if Ukraine wants Putin gone all they have to do is win the war. If Ukraine was responsible for the drones, they probably didn't launch from Ukrainian territory. I'm also don't think it was a false flag attack either. This isn't a good look for Putin. It just makes him look weak and unable to defend Russian airspace.