2nd line (combat load) theory and discussion

[Optimist]

Maybe I'm weak the art of search-fu, but if this is your second line gear what is your first line gear and how does it ties in with the second line?

You're not wrong, it's pretty off-topic on my part. Sorry.

[MacWa77ace]

Maybe I'm weak the art of search-fu, but if this is your second line gear what is your first line gear and how does it ties in with the second line?

First line is your EDC CCW and/or any folder or other on body defensive and safety equipment.

[MacWa77ace]

Esstac has these belt/molle plastic clips. They would work on any molle equipment to attach to a 1.75 or 2 in belts.
They might be too big for 1 or 1.5 street belts.



there are hard plastic molle clips, they might work better to keep stuff 'tighter' on the street belts.

Thanks! I actually have some of those Esstac clips somewhere that I had forgot about. I could give them a try with some of the pouches I already own instead of buying stuff.

I don't see anything in leather. What about something like this ?

I think something like that could work well, although I would have to add shoulder straps to it as belt-only fanny packs do not stay up on me.

I actually want to make a post about getting something along the lines of a Maxpedition Versipack/Gearslinger (or a Chinese knockoff for testing purposes). I might want something like that for use in the woods, and I'm pretty sure I want one as my general-purpose emergency bag for things like house fires and earthquakes.

One thing about the fanny pack/Versipack size of bags is that they often max out at about a Glock 17 size of handgun. My woods gun for the last few years has been a Ruger Redhawk .44 mag and I just got a folding pistol brace for my Glock 40 to test out. I need to get measurements for my Glock in the brace but it's probably going to be about 15" I'm guessing.

Maxpedition is actually having a BOGO sale right now but I figure I need to actually test the brace and the concept of such a bag with a cheaper alternative before I drop that kind of money, even at sale prices.

[eugenenine]

Maybe I'm weak the art of search-fu, but if this is your second line gear what is your first line gear and how does it ties in with the second line?

You're not wrong, it's pretty off-topic on my part. Sorry.

Sorry, guess I should have quoted the OP. I was just wondering what his other lines of gear looked like and how they fit together as a whole

[MacWa77ace]

Maybe I'm weak the art of search-fu, but if this is your second line gear what is your first line gear and how does it ties in with the second line?

You're not wrong, it's pretty off-topic on my part. Sorry.

Sorry, guess I should have quoted the OP. I was just wondering what his other lines of gear looked like and how they fit together as a whole

First line is what you grab for immediate use in the event you need to defend yourself. And/or gets you to your second line. First line is usually onbody EDC or offbody but carried daily for immediate use. Self defense or home defense.

I remember a WWYD topic on the old ZS, about, IIRC,  "what do you have right next to you right now to defend yourself?" There were some funny responses, like a stapler, or a chair. But its all first line.


Other Examples:
Night stand pistol gets you to your gun safe.
EDC CCW gets you to your trunk gun.
Backpack or soft body armor possibly if worn EDC.

2nd line takes time to equip, and may not even be immediately available to you. It can be stored in your car or your house or office. And is not usually worn continually, unless there is some sort of extreme event, or you're doing some kind of training with it. So generally you switch from one to the other or you can intermix if it makes sense and you don't have useless redundancies.

This is my current EDC firstline. It weighs less than 3 lbs.
Surefire
Walther
Zero Tolerance


This is my second line gear and it weighs 60 lbs +. >> https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=222.msg17268#msg17268

[MacWa77ace]

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