Edit 3:
After looking over the China offerings. I think one would be better off sticking with the bottom two links on this post. And buying from a US company. Its a bit more. But worth it I think. I also think based on the youtube viseo below. That either would work well. But I am going to try to go try both on. And let you know what I think. These couoled with a new 40mm isreali cbrn filter from ebay or elsewhere. Would be a good combo. But I'm still looking.
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This thread started as a help me identify these gas masks. To actually idenitfying them. Finding one of them on alibaba for $43. And a solid youtube review from the top gas mask reviewer. This is the mask i eventually found.
Here is one listing on alibaba:
https://m.alibaba.com/product/62014070771/Gas-Mask-Gas-Mask-Silicone-Full.html?s=p&fromSite=wap&ck=share_detail
Here they are available stateside:
https://majorsurplus.com/catalog/product/view/id/14448/s/mil-spec-pro-gas-mask-with-filter/?smclient=f0b2bb66-421b-11ec-b169-2841c6acdb70&utm_source=salesmanago&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=default
Here is the youtube review:
https://youtu.be/pF1vzqlMYO4
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This came in my email this morning. Its from my local surplus store. I've been looking for gas masks. But good quality gi ones are very hard to find now. And condition is a crap shoot. The next option is cicilian which dominated by mira. Which are $200+ gas masks. There are a couole lesser brands like Parsons. But still very expensive.
This is probably a chinese knockoff of a civilian brand? Idk. What does the hivemind think?
https://majorsurplus.com/catalog/product/view/id/14449/s/full-lens-gas-mask-with-filter/?smclient=cb533a45-421b-11ec-b169-2841c6acdb70&utm_source=salesmanago&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=default
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Here is a second one i missed.
https://majorsurplus.com/catalog/product/view/id/14448/s/mil-spec-pro-gas-mask-with-filter/?smclient=f0b2bb66-421b-11ec-b169-2841c6acdb70&utm_source=salesmanago&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=default
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The first one looks alot like this one
https://www.amazon.com/Respirator-Facepiece-Protection-Demolition-Renovation/dp/B092T538CP/ref=sr_1_37?keywords=gas+mask&pd_rd_r=10672178-58fe-411c-94ec-4bfa21ed6caa&pd_rd_w=1HJ5I&pd_rd_wg=0hdQi&pf_rd_p=4fa0e97a-13a4-491b-a127-133a554b4da3&pf_rd_r=5GSX28PRX09Z27E63P1Q&qid=1651354492&sr=8-37
The second , maybe this one
https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Reusable-Protection-Decorating-Polishing/dp/B09329HMGQ/ref=sr_1_18_sspa?crid=12K66TBKJNT4R&keywords=full+face+respirator+mask&qid=1651354373&sprefix=FULL+FACE+R%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-18-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFVTTNHS0tBVE5KUlYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2OTI5MDIzSlFYUjhKVzJQSUcmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDA1MzMyMjM4RVZQMjVORkVFNkImd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
The first one kind of looks like a Drager CDR 4500, but I'm not 100 percent on that.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on April 30, 2022, 05:05:48 PMThe first one kind of looks like a Drager CDR 4500, but I'm not 100 percent on that.
Yeah, but those go for $250 and up....It's probably something like a Chinese MF-14. The MF-14 is priced closer to the one in the OP.
Its the mf 14. But later version used by china and Venezuela. 40mm compatible. Would like to find the cheaper one. Still looking with google lens. Great apo btw.
https://gasmaskandrespirator.fandom.com/wiki/MF-14
Quote from: RickOShea on April 30, 2022, 05:44:21 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on April 30, 2022, 05:05:48 PMThe first one kind of looks like a Drager CDR 4500, but I'm not 100 percent on that.
Yeah, but those go for $250 and up....It's probably something like a Chinese MF-14. The MF-14 is priced closer to the one in the OP.
True. I know AIM Surplus had some LEO trade in Dragers awhile back for about 150, but those sold out quick.
Found the cheaper one.
https://gasmaskandrespirator.fandom.com/wiki/ZY_6800
Looking for a source now.
Heres the cheap one on ebay. Its basically called a gas mask 6800. Looking for reviews. But it doesnt look like it takes nato filters.
Check out NEW For 6800 Full Face Gas Mask Facepiece Respirator for Painting Spraying on eBay!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203063974500?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=kslaZ30OQue&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=OOH5b8UqSIO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL
Neither of these have completely good reviews. But you can get the second one. The 6800 for $33 with one filter on alibaba. Without filter i think its $23. Might be worth a try. The second one looks better. But idk.
Really hard to find a gas mask under $150. Which is crazy to me. I wonder what happened to all thw gas masks from the 80s and 90s? Had to be a crap load of those surplus.
I might go try both os these on at my surplus store and see what i think.
The cheaper one. Review says good. This guy is the top reviewer of gas masks on youtube. Again this is the 6800 you can find on alibaba for $23. I may have found an affordable gas mask finally.
But now i have to find affordable 40mm nbc/ cbrn(?) Filters. Anybody know of any? I've seen isreali.
https://youtu.be/pF1vzqlMYO4
I just tried to ourchase that gas mask from alibaba. But it wants $54 plus shipping. Trying other sources now.
My concern over stuff from sites like Alibaba and Wish is consistency in quality. A lot of listings on these types of sites (in general) seem to claim to be one thing, but they actually have several different versions of varying quality and it's hit or miss if you get something decent even from the exact same listing. I just feel like it's not worth it to try to save money with untrustworthy sources on something that you may have to entrust your life with.
I felt slightly better about it watching the review, but then he mentioned how the one he got was different than the one listed (the listed one had a clear nose piece) and that put me back to not trusting that listing for something this important.
Posting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
Quote from: Anianna on April 30, 2022, 11:53:36 PMMy concern over stuff from sites like Alibaba and Wish is consistency in quality. A lot of listings on these types of sites (in general) seem to claim to be one thing, but they actually have several different versions of varying quality and it's hit or miss if you get something decent even from the exact same listing. I just feel like it's not worth it to try to save money with untrustworthy sources on something that you may have to entrust your life with.
I felt slightly better about it watching the review, but then he mentioned how the one he got was different than the one listed (the listed one had a clear nose piece) and that put me back to not trusting that listing for something this important.
Checkout my original post. I updated it. I forgot to mention it down here. I think the us option is a better one. Returning something to china is unlikely. And their site and app is scammy. I agree with you.
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
I've read that a hood version helps this. I have a large goatee. With similar concerns. But these larger ones like im that youtube vid. Look like they hit well under the chin. And as long as your beard isnt down your neck. They look like they will work.
I'm going to try both of these on this week. I'll report back if i do.
An interesting thread, thank you.
I wear a Draeger Panorama Nova (https://www.draeger.com/en_uk/Products/Panorama-Nova) (thankfully, infrequently) for work, but don't have to pay for it myself :)
Cheaper retail options are always of interest.
Quote from: Moab on May 01, 2022, 08:33:28 AMQuote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
I've read that a hood version helps this. I have a large goatee. With similar concerns. But these larger ones like im that youtube vid. Look like they hit well under the chin. And as long as your beard isnt down your neck. They look like they will work.
I'm going to try both of these on this week. I'll report back if i do.
Yeah, well... full beard. It's fuller than this current picture of my ugly mug from a couple years ago.
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=99.msg15913#msg15913
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
Two Israeli civilian ones here, with a single 40mm NBC cartridge each. Mainly for a bugout through a forest fire (by vehicle) for the wife and I if needed. Have a couple Tyvek suits (with hoods), gloves, and boot covers in the bag with them too. The latter stuff isn't for forest fires, but could come in handy for one last 'surprise' against any filthy bastards before they defeat me at my Alamo. :icon_crazy:
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
The idea for preps is to be ready in case of the worst. If your best/last option comes down to a well-fitting mask that could save your health/life, would you not be willing to trim or shave for that?
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 10:19:40 AMQuote from: Moab on May 01, 2022, 08:33:28 AMQuote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
I've read that a hood version helps this. I have a large goatee. With similar concerns. But these larger ones like im that youtube vid. Look like they hit well under the chin. And as long as your beard isnt down your neck. They look like they will work.
I'm going to try both of these on this week. I'll report back if i do.
Yeah, well... full beard. It's fuller than this current picture of my ugly mug from a couple years ago.
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=99.msg15913#msg15913
You're f'd dude. Lmao! Just kidding. 😆
I have an at times large goatee. But not quite that big. Similar look tho.
Seriously tho. Check out google for a mask with hood. I was just reading about them yesterday.
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
I live next to LAX. Radioactive. I also wish now that I'd have bought those nbc woodland gi suits back when they were practically givng them away.
There are alot of these on ebay for cheap tho. And from the US. This is just one. I haven't sought out the best deal.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384786694129?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_d8gitafrfo&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=OOH5b8UqSIO&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS
Quote from: Anianna on May 01, 2022, 02:03:07 PMQuote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
The idea for preps is to be ready in case of the worst. If your best/last option comes down to a well-fitting mask that could save your health/life, would you not be willing to trim or shave for that?
Yes, I would. Just was making comment that it wouldn't work right now as is.
I guess it would also depend on the scenario. In reality, every prepper should have in the back of their mind that there could be the likely event that they will not make it- No matter the amount and level of preps afforded to them they may have on hand. If you don't, I think you'd be delusional.
So there's 3357 inbound nukes to blanket your AO... maybe not a lot to worry about survival wise. If there's 3, the scenario is still dire but has a much higher glimmer of hope for survival perhaps.
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Quote from: NapalmMan67 on May 03, 2022, 03:05:23 PMQuote from: Anianna on May 01, 2022, 02:03:07 PMQuote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
The idea for preps is to be ready in case of the worst. If your best/last option comes down to a well-fitting mask that could save your health/life, would you not be willing to trim or shave for that?
Yes, I would. Just was making comment that it wouldn't work right now as is.
I guess it would also depend on the scenario. In reality, every prepper should have in the back of their mind that there could be the likely event that they will not make it- No matter the amount and level of preps afforded to them they may have on hand. If you don't, I think you'd be delusional.
So there's 3357 inbound nukes to blanket your AO... maybe not a lot to worry about survival wise. If there's 3, the scenario is still dire but has a much higher glimmer of hope for survival perhaps.
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Heck yea, there's always the possibility of not surviving or even not wanting to survive. Depending on how close those nukes are hitting, I might rather go toward one than away from it, for example. I just hope my lack of survival at some point isn't the result of faulty preps or failure to make a reasonable attempt.
Is there a reason you're passing on the Israeli mask? They're widely available, pretty affordable, and generally in good shape...could be a deal breaker if you wear glasses, but I have a small pair that barely fit under mine.
The only time I ever wore mine was when I was dealing with a hornet infestation...but hey, I didn't die...
Quote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 06:12:04 PMIs there a reason you're passing on the Israeli mask? They're widely available, pretty affordable, and generally in good shape...could be a deal breaker if you wear glasses, but I have a small pair that barely fit under mine.
The only time I ever wore mine was when I was dealing with a hornet infestation...but hey, I didn't die...
I was very impressed with the Isreali mask. But iirc, researching this last week, they are hard to find now. Like every other military surplus gas mask. It surprised me. Because the one thing I have always assumed about surplus stores is the plentiful nbc gear. I remember the woodland nbc tops and bottoms. They gave those away. And gas masks were a dime a dozen.
But when I looked last week only the worst quality ones were left in stock. Meaning the worst models. I think budk has the isreali. But reviews were spotty. Some guys got brand new ones. Others got unserviceable ones. And the ad says something like for airsoft only or display purposes only.
And frankly commercial ones look alot more comfortable. And just as effective. Also shooting in them looks alot easier too. Alot of the surplus ones use goggles. And the commercials are one big window. I think I may even be able to wear my glasses under them. Whereas the surplus ones require orescription lenses. And i have no idea where youd get those.
Thus why I started looking at commercial models. And then I got an email from my local surplus store that I posted here. I may try to run by there today. And try those on.
Without military surplus ones in stock your mostly left with Mira brand. If you want full crbn protection. And Mira is ridiculously expensive. Its $200 -$300 for a mask. Thats a hard pass from me. You might find a cheaper Pircel(sp?). But its still like $150 iirc.
I don't have another grand or so left to set my family up with cbrn protection. To many other areas that need to be improved or added to financially. And its hard to justify spending alot on something that is basically going to sit in a bag until it rots. Hopefully. Lol. The alternative is being forced to use them.
But thats not my point. I'm trying to say that there is a sweet spot - for me - where quality/needs match the cost. And Mira is to high end for my own preps spending. Plus I'm moving soon to an area with low nuke risk. So to spend that much doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Anianna on May 01, 2022, 02:03:07 PMQuote from: NapalmMan67 on May 01, 2022, 08:21:52 AMPosting mostly to follow the thread.
BUT, serious question- For those that are looking and/or have these already. What are you planning for to have to use these? Biological? Radioactive?
Also, I have a full beard, so using a gas mask is not really compatible.
The idea for preps is to be ready in case of the worst. If your best/last option comes down to a well-fitting mask that could save your health/life, would you not be willing to trim or shave for that?
I would certainly shave too. In an instant. Of course. I'm not quite that vain. Lol.
But you wouldnt have to shave it completely. At least not my large goatee. Basically you just need the sides of your face and up under your chin shaved. To remain PAWtastically cool. ;)
Quote from: Moab on May 03, 2022, 06:49:22 PMQuote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 06:12:04 PMIs there a reason you're passing on the Israeli mask? They're widely available, pretty affordable, and generally in good shape...could be a deal breaker if you wear glasses, but I have a small pair that barely fit under mine.
The only time I ever wore mine was when I was dealing with a hornet infestation...but hey, I didn't die...
I was very impressed with the Isreali mask. But iirc, researching this last week, they are hard to find now. Like every other military surplus gas mask. It surprised me. Because the one thing I have always assumed about surplus stores is the plentiful nbc gear. I remember the woodland nbc tops and bottoms. They gave those away. And gas masks were a dime a dozen.
But when I looked last week only the worst quality ones were left in stock. Meaning the worst models. I think budk has the isreali. But reviews were spotty. Some guys got brand new ones. Others got unserviceable ones. And the ad says something like for airsoft only or display purposes only.
And frankly commercial ones look alot more comfortable. And just as effective. Also shooting in them looks alot easier too. Alot of the surplus ones use goggles. And the commercials are one big window. I think I may even be able to wear my glasses under them. Whereas the surplus ones require orescription lenses. And i have no idea where youd get those.
Thus why I started looking at commercial models. And then I got an email from my local surplus store that I posted here. I may try to run by there today. And try those on.
Without military surplus ones in stock your mostly left with Mira brand. If you want full crbn protection. And Mira is ridiculously expensive. Its $200 -$300 for a mask. Thats a hard pass from me. You might find a cheaper Pircel(sp?). But its still like $150 iirc.
I don't have another grand or so left to set my family up with cbrn protection. To many other areas that need to be improved or added to financially. And its hard to justify spending alot on something that is basically going to sit in a bag until it rots. Hopefully. Lol. The alternative is being forced to use them.
But thats not my point. I'm trying to say that there is a sweet spot - for me - where quality/needs match the cost. And Mira is to high end for my own preps spending. Plus I'm moving soon to an area with low nuke risk. So to spend that much doesn't make sense.
Fair point; the surplus market has definitely taken a beating lately, and with airsofters/re-enactors buying up surplus, sites have to advertise otherwise protective gear (read: steel helmets, gas masks) as "novelty use only."
Sportsman's Guide has them for under $60.00 though. I just prefer them because the Israelis have a history of taking NBC seriously, but practically. Their .gov guide for making one room in your house into a NBC safe room is really very achievable.
I don't mean to sound like a broken record; like you, I hope that kind of gear is never used. In fact, I remember another thread on the other site, along the lines of "Gear you have, but hope you never use," and I specifically said, "Gas mask." I mean, there's a lot of gear I hope I never have to use, but gas mask has to be top of my list.
If you have to use an NBC suit...well...good luck with that.
Generation Kill showed that Marines were basically eating, sleeping and (if need be) shitting in those charcoal-lined monstrosities. My local store is still selling them in plastic wrap, but the prices are insane.
TL;DR. I hope I never need it, I'll be glad I have it if I do, and it didn't cost me an arm or a leg.
Quote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 08:31:22 PMQuote from: Moab on May 03, 2022, 06:49:22 PMQuote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 06:12:04 PMIs there a reason you're passing on the Israeli mask? They're widely available, pretty affordable, and generally in good shape...could be a deal breaker if you wear glasses, but I have a small pair that barely fit under mine.
The only time I ever wore mine was when I was dealing with a hornet infestation...but hey, I didn't die...
I was very impressed with the Isreali mask. But iirc, researching this last week, they are hard to find now. Like every other military surplus gas mask. It surprised me. Because the one thing I have always assumed about surplus stores is the plentiful nbc gear. I remember the woodland nbc tops and bottoms. They gave those away. And gas masks were a dime a dozen.
But when I looked last week only the worst quality ones were left in stock. Meaning the worst models. I think budk has the isreali. But reviews were spotty. Some guys got brand new ones. Others got unserviceable ones. And the ad says something like for airsoft only or display purposes only.
And frankly commercial ones look alot more comfortable. And just as effective. Also shooting in them looks alot easier too. Alot of the surplus ones use goggles. And the commercials are one big window. I think I may even be able to wear my glasses under them. Whereas the surplus ones require orescription lenses. And i have no idea where youd get those.
Thus why I started looking at commercial models. And then I got an email from my local surplus store that I posted here. I may try to run by there today. And try those on.
Without military surplus ones in stock your mostly left with Mira brand. If you want full crbn protection. And Mira is ridiculously expensive. Its $200 -$300 for a mask. Thats a hard pass from me. You might find a cheaper Pircel(sp?). But its still like $150 iirc.
I don't have another grand or so left to set my family up with cbrn protection. To many other areas that need to be improved or added to financially. And its hard to justify spending alot on something that is basically going to sit in a bag until it rots. Hopefully. Lol. The alternative is being forced to use them.
But thats not my point. I'm trying to say that there is a sweet spot - for me - where quality/needs match the cost. And Mira is to high end for my own preps spending. Plus I'm moving soon to an area with low nuke risk. So to spend that much doesn't make sense.
Fair point; the surplus market has definitely taken a beating lately, and with airsofters/re-enactors buying up surplus, sites have to advertise otherwise protective gear (read: steel helmets, gas masks) as "novelty use only."
Sportsman's Guide has them for under $60.00 though. I just prefer them because the Israelis have a history of taking NBC seriously, but practically. Their .gov guide for making one room in your house into a NBC safe room is really very achievable.
I don't mean to sound like a broken record; like you, I hope that kind of gear is never used. In fact, I remember another thread on the other site, along the lines of "Gear you have, but hope you never use," and I specifically said, "Gas mask." I mean, there's a lot of gear I hope I never have to use, but gas mask has to be top of my list.
If you have to use an NBC suit...well...good luck with that. Generation Kill showed that Marines were basically eating, sleeping and (if need be) shitting in those charcoal-lined monstrosities. My local store is still selling them in plastic wrap, but the prices are insane.
TL;DR. I hope I never need it, I'll be glad I have it if I do, and it didn't cost me an arm or a leg.
I had to use all of it in the Marines. But only for training and field training. Which is kind of why I stray from the Isreali gas masks.
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/israeli-military-surplus-adult-gas-mask-new?a=52675
They use googles. And its hard to see with the military ones that have larger eye holes. Let alone these round holes. But I agree they are the best surplus mask you can get now. For sure I will be using Isreali filters.
My only caution with buying from sportsmans guide is they don't list the size. And they come in 3 or 4 different sizes. Other sites sell them by size but they want $160+.
Lastly, I love alot of the stuff SG carries. But I have always hated that membership bs. Wth?! Who charges a membership to an online outdoor store?! Like its some exclusive club. Lmao.
Quote from: Moab on May 03, 2022, 10:01:08 PMQuote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 08:31:22 PMQuote from: Moab on May 03, 2022, 06:49:22 PMQuote from: echo83 on May 03, 2022, 06:12:04 PMIs there a reason you're passing on the Israeli mask? They're widely available, pretty affordable, and generally in good shape...could be a deal breaker if you wear glasses, but I have a small pair that barely fit under mine.
The only time I ever wore mine was when I was dealing with a hornet infestation...but hey, I didn't die...
I was very impressed with the Isreali mask. But iirc, researching this last week, they are hard to find now. Like every other military surplus gas mask. It surprised me. Because the one thing I have always assumed about surplus stores is the plentiful nbc gear. I remember the woodland nbc tops and bottoms. They gave those away. And gas masks were a dime a dozen.
But when I looked last week only the worst quality ones were left in stock. Meaning the worst models. I think budk has the isreali. But reviews were spotty. Some guys got brand new ones. Others got unserviceable ones. And the ad says something like for airsoft only or display purposes only.
And frankly commercial ones look alot more comfortable. And just as effective. Also shooting in them looks alot easier too. Alot of the surplus ones use goggles. And the commercials are one big window. I think I may even be able to wear my glasses under them. Whereas the surplus ones require orescription lenses. And i have no idea where youd get those.
Thus why I started looking at commercial models. And then I got an email from my local surplus store that I posted here. I may try to run by there today. And try those on.
Without military surplus ones in stock your mostly left with Mira brand. If you want full crbn protection. And Mira is ridiculously expensive. Its $200 -$300 for a mask. Thats a hard pass from me. You might find a cheaper Pircel(sp?). But its still like $150 iirc.
I don't have another grand or so left to set my family up with cbrn protection. To many other areas that need to be improved or added to financially. And its hard to justify spending alot on something that is basically going to sit in a bag until it rots. Hopefully. Lol. The alternative is being forced to use them.
But thats not my point. I'm trying to say that there is a sweet spot - for me - where quality/needs match the cost. And Mira is to high end for my own preps spending. Plus I'm moving soon to an area with low nuke risk. So to spend that much doesn't make sense.
Fair point; the surplus market has definitely taken a beating lately, and with airsofters/re-enactors buying up surplus, sites have to advertise otherwise protective gear (read: steel helmets, gas masks) as "novelty use only."
Sportsman's Guide has them for under $60.00 though. I just prefer them because the Israelis have a history of taking NBC seriously, but practically. Their .gov guide for making one room in your house into a NBC safe room is really very achievable.
I don't mean to sound like a broken record; like you, I hope that kind of gear is never used. In fact, I remember another thread on the other site, along the lines of "Gear you have, but hope you never use," and I specifically said, "Gas mask." I mean, there's a lot of gear I hope I never have to use, but gas mask has to be top of my list.
If you have to use an NBC suit...well...good luck with that. Generation Kill showed that Marines were basically eating, sleeping and (if need be) shitting in those charcoal-lined monstrosities. My local store is still selling them in plastic wrap, but the prices are insane.
TL;DR. I hope I never need it, I'll be glad I have it if I do, and it didn't cost me an arm or a leg.
I had to use all of it in the Marines. But only for training and field training. Which is kind of why I stray from the Isreali gas masks.
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/israeli-military-surplus-adult-gas-mask-new?a=52675
They use googles. And its hard to see with the military ones that have larger eye holes. Let alone these round holes. But I agree they are the best surplus mask you can get now. For sure I will be using Isreali filters.
My only caution with buying from sportsmans guide is they don't list the size. And they come in 3 or 4 different sizes. Other sites sell them by size but they want $160+.
Lastly, I love alot of the stuff SG carries. But I have always hated that membership bs. Wth?! Who charges a membership to an online outdoor store?! Like its some exclusive club. Lmao.
"Collectible use only, not functional" Uhhhhh...
Ya. Thats there way out if it comes to you non functional. Which again, is why I'm considering these knock off chinese commercial ones.
So that after a nuke attack. And they don't work. I can go back and ask for my money back. ;)
So while I understand the desire for an economical path... for something as critical as this, are the "cheap" versions really worth the risk if your actually going to depend on it for your life?
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