Well since the forum god put in a air/springer sub group we don't need a airgun chat to talk about our airguns!
I had been looking for a while for airguns, the great 2020-ongoing (as of 07Jun) firearm and ammo panic kinda pushed me to buy a big boy air rifle. I did a bunch of research and definitely wanted an all in one airgun because I didn't want external pumps or tanks for my first one. Plus I didn't want to spend a lot. I was basically looking for a small game rifle that could replace my .22lr firearms.
Enter the Seneca Aspen .25 PCP
It had been OOS for months and finally got the email saying it was in. So ordered it. It came in just under my budget of $300 plus tax of course. It was shipped via ground and arrived in less than a week. I had ordered an extra magazine for it because it didn't say it has 2 in box. So bonus 3 mags, each are 8shots with the .25! First thing I'll point out is this thing is BIG. There's lots of plastic on it, but it's not cheap, the plastic is all sturdy. The pump handle is is large it fits my large hands no problem, there's no side to side play in it and it has a 3 stage pump so that from first to last pump you feel very little difference.
It took about 80 pumps to fully charge it the first time, while a lot, it wasn't over strenuous. The first shots I put though it, from 30' was incredible! I was standing and supported by a ladder and I was stacking pellets on pellets (pic below).
The trigger is adjustable and while not the best, a bit heavy, it has a clean break. It does not come with a scope, but I had a decent $40 Amazon scope on my Benjamin break action.
I run it on max pressure and have the hammer tuned all the way up, with those setting I can get about 18-20 shots before having to pump again. If you over pressure it and take a shot, it has zero accuracy and will dump the over pressure on that shot. If you go under pressure the pellets badly fall out the barrel. So watch your pressure gauge. It takes 3-5 pumps per shot to keep the charge. The last thing I can think about is the direct pull charging handle. Other entry level PCPs do not have this feature for the post part.
Overall I am VERY impressed with this gun. It is a little beast. I have taken 5 eastern grey squirrels. With the 30gr pellets I'm shooting hits hard. I only take headshots and this hits so hard that it punches through and kills them dead, no death throes.
ETA: forgot pictures
.177 vs .25 pellets
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Benji vs Aspen
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Fancy shooting rest, but you can see the pressure gauge
(https://i.imgur.com/mYtUr6a.jpg?1)
The first 8 shots with the scope on, no I cant believe it either.
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I want a .22 caliber air rifle, but I'm not quite at the point where I can drop the cash on a PCP set up just yet.
Nor am I at the point where I can drop the cash on the higher end stuff. So I'm having to look at stuff from Gamo and whoever makes the Ruger line of air rifles (I think it's Umarex, but I'm not sure).
So for now I'm having to make do with an older Beeman Silver Bear I picked up at a yard sale for 20 bucks. It's not the greatest pellet rifle, but it's still better than the old Daisy one I had as a kid.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 08, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
I want a .22 caliber air rifle, but I'm not quite at the point where I can drop the cash on a PCP set up just yet.
Nor am I at the point where I can drop the cash on the higher end stuff. So I'm having to look at stuff from Gamo and whoever makes the Ruger line of air rifles (I think it's Umarex, but I'm not sure).
So for now I'm having to make do with an older Beeman Silver Bear I picked up at a yard sale for 20 bucks. It's not the greatest pellet rifle, but it's still better than the old Daisy one I had as a kid.
The Aspen comes in 3 flavors.177, .22, .25. I may buy another in .177 for pinking I have something like 15k .177 pellets I bought in bulk years ago. While cheaper than .22lr the .25 pellets are a bit expensive for plinking but you can buy them on Amazon which is nice.
.22 caliber pellets seem to be consistently available in my AO and I've already got a ton of .177 cal stuff for my current air rifle.
I know Walmart and Academy are usually good sources for .22 caliber pellets. And I'm always getting emails from Midway USA with sales on air rifle stuff.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 08, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
I want a .22 caliber air rifle, but I'm not quite at the point where I can drop the cash on a PCP set up just yet.
Nor am I at the point where I can drop the cash on the higher end stuff. So I'm having to look at stuff from Gamo and whoever makes the Ruger line of air rifles (I think it's Umarex, but I'm not sure).
So for now I'm having to make do with an older Beeman Silver Bear I picked up at a yard sale for 20 bucks. It's not the greatest pellet rifle, but it's still better than the old Daisy one I had as a kid.
I love those garage sale finds. That Silver Bear is such a nice looking rifle. Interesting the forestock breaks with the barrel. Why isn't it floating your boat? The spring action? I have a Ruger that I don't really like because of the action and the way the spring effects the shot and my accuracy. But its a quality gun.
What type are you looking for though if not PCP? PyramidAir is a good place to do research if you're not sure what brands are available to then research what is the best in your price range.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on June 10, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 08, 2021, 05:11:35 PM
I want a .22 caliber air rifle, but I'm not quite at the point where I can drop the cash on a PCP set up just yet.
Nor am I at the point where I can drop the cash on the higher end stuff. So I'm having to look at stuff from Gamo and whoever makes the Ruger line of air rifles (I think it's Umarex, but I'm not sure).
So for now I'm having to make do with an older Beeman Silver Bear I picked up at a yard sale for 20 bucks. It's not the greatest pellet rifle, but it's still better than the old Daisy one I had as a kid.
I love those garage sale finds. That Silver Bear is such a nice looking rifle. Interesting the forestock breaks with the barrel. Why isn't it floating your boat? The spring action? I have a Ruger that I don't really like because of the action and the way the spring effects the shot and my accuracy. But its a quality gun.
What type are you looking for though if not PCP? PyramidAir is a good place to do research if you're not sure what brands are available to then research what is the best in your price range.
The spring action seems like it'd be rough on optics and since there's a lack of iron sights on the Silver Bear, optics are pretty much the only option.
I'd prefer something with irons and the capacity to mount an optic. I know Umarex and Gamo make a "Nitro piston" air rifle and I've heard those aren't as rough on optics as the old springer actions are.
Also, since it's a .177 caliber pellet, I don't really trust it to make a clean kill on anything I may use it for. That and the sucker is LOUD. Almost like a .22lr rifle loud.
I'd prefer something that's a bit more quiet. I know Gamo makes the Whisper Fusion, which claims to be super quiet. So I may check one of those out if I can find one.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 10, 2021, 12:32:06 PM
The spring action seems like it'd be rough on optics and since there's a lack of iron sights on the Silver Bear, optics are pretty much the only option.
I'd prefer something with irons and the capacity to mount an optic. I know Umarex and Gamo make a "Nitro piston" air rifle and I've heard those aren't as rough on optics as the old springer actions are.
Also, since it's a .177 caliber pellet, I don't really trust it to make a clean kill on anything I may use it for. That and the sucker is LOUD. Almost like a .22lr rifle loud.
I'd prefer something that's a bit more quiet. I know Gamo makes the Whisper Fusion, which claims to be super quiet. So I may check one of those out if I can find one.
Yeah, a spring piston airgun (break barrel, side lever, etc.) has a brutal bi-directional recoil that's hell on optics that aren't airgun rated. It's the initial inertial impulse in one direction when the massive spring is released, followed by the opposite direction of recoil when the piston slams into the front of the cylinder. It not only eats ordinary optics for lunch, it requires a different way of holding the rifle to get good accuracy (Google: "artillery hold").
And yes, these airguns can be very loud, especially the more powerful .177 spring piston guns. Physics doesn't care whether it's explosive propellant or compressed air: once that little pellet goes supersonic, you going to get that characteristic "crack" of a rifle report. And don't get me started on what happens if you lube the breech with the wrong kind of oil. The rapid compression of air in the cylinder generates heat which can ignite the oil if it's too flammable. Hence the name for that phenomenon: "dieseling". It can momentarily turn a 800fps gun into an 1100 fps one and again: you will get the extremely loud crack. It essentially becomes a hybrid firearm at that point.
ETA: but we digress. Halfpint's original post is about all-in-one PCP airguns, a completely different beast. And in the mid size calibers (.25) he's talking about, a very sensible, self contained option for taking small game in an emergency scenario where firearm ammunition might become scarce. To say nothing of an economical way of developing/maintaining marksmanship proficiency.
Quote from: majorhavoc on June 10, 2021, 09:04:32 PM
ETA: but we digress.
Digress all you want, wonder if we should have a "airguns chat"???
I suppose this thread could possibly be the airguns Chat thread, if you'd like.
Sort of an all in one thread for airguns of all types.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 10, 2021, 11:25:19 PM
I suppose this thread could possibly be the airguns Chat thread, if you'd like.
Sort of an all in one thread for airguns of all types.
Changed the title. Fell free to change to something better!
Bought a Crossman 760 years ago after my old 2100 gave up the ghost. Have been using the 760 for pest control over the years, but sometimes required follow up shots to finish the job.
Recently acquired a Gamo Wildcat .22. Fantastic for the money imo, it's accurate and powerful. Tree rats and garden munchers stand no chance... OSOK (head shot) on a whistle pig a few weeks ago. Would recommend if needing a basic accurate varmint gun.
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The Benjamin NP airgun in the original photo was a hell of a rifle. I got some heavier pointed pellets and it was still pushing them super sonic. When it would hit a fluffy tailed rat it usually killed it in a single hit.
That 25 cal absolutely destroys squirrels. I only kill the invasive Eastern grey. But I hit one the other day about 120' up one od my fir trees. Right in the noggin it had no idea what happened. It was just lights out and down it came.
I don't like killing anything else, and generally I eat the stuff I kill. But my cat has been scrapping with a much too tame raccoon. So it got put down. Gotta say I would normally use a 22lr for it, but I had a clean front facing shot, so I took it with the airgun and same thing. It just kinda slouched over and went to sleep. I didn't a follow up shit just to be sure and it was dead dead.
Not a fan of killing for no reason, but to protect the Doug squirrel and my cat, I will.
In my county in Texas, squirrels are considered a game animal and one needs a hunting license to shoot them.
Not entirely sure of the regulations regarding shooting them inside city limits, but I get the feeling it's frowned upon by the city and the PD.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 11, 2021, 08:41:41 PM
In my county in Texas, squirrels are considered a game animal and one needs a hunting license to shoot them.
Not entirely sure of the regulations regarding shooting them inside city limits, but I get the feeling it's frowned upon by the city and the PD.
Grey squirrel are invasive and there is no season on them. I do believe you are suppose to have hunting license but I always get that anyways.
I should say eastern grey are invasive we have western grey, but they live in old growth. The Doug squirrels are about twice the size of chipmunks. But with big busy tails. Very easy to tell apart. I have one that likes to torrment the cat that I call chonk. He's a big boned squirrel
At my old house, there was a family of squirrels that liked to tease my sister's dog. The dog had two confirmed kills and two unconfirmed kills before we moved.
The funny thing is the squirrels followed us when we moved to a new house. They now live in the attic of my next door neighbor's house and occasionally will pop out to watch me check the mail or walk the dog.
The dog doesn't chase them anymore, so I think they've come to an understanding. Squirrels don't tease the dog and the dog doesn't tru to eat the squirrels.
To clarify, I only take out the gray tree rats, since they are the destructive ones to homes, vehicles, gardens etc... and they have proliferated immensely in my AO. A few weekends ago, there were 10-12 running around on our deck. Our yard is 150' x 175', so IMO we have an over abundance.
Also, since I've taken out 10 or so this spring so far, the Fox squirrels come to our yard much more. I enjoy them and they don't destroy stuff that I can tell like the gray do.
As for being frowned upon in city limits, probably for the most part that's true. The LEO in our neighborhood said he's appreciative when I eliminate them, as long as I'm not shooting direct towards any houses/cars/people etc. in the area. He had some gray that chewed up his wife's vehicle wiring awhile ago, said it cost them $1600.00 to have it repaired. No permit required where I am either.
And for further clarification, I don't shoot the cute and fuzzy bunnies, my wife would be out of sorts if I did. And they don't get in the garden due to the fencing... the whistle pig on the other hand, mowed down almost the entire garden in two nights. So, my food preservation or leave it alone? - yep, my food preservation won that question.
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Was sighting in my airguns yesterday. Just a Crosman 1377 handgun and some Winchester branded springer I got cheap from Midway years ago. Some day I need a pest control airgun. The Crosman is actually surprisingly accurate, but I don't think it's powerful enough for anything but the very smallest of critters. The Winchester is supposed to have a velocity of 1100 FPS, but every time I've tried to sight it in I've come away feeling frustrated.
I'll probably make a thread about it eventually, but I don't have the spare mental capacity to actually think about it this week.
Whenever I see an air gun claim a certain fps, I tend to think they use match grade pellets when doing the fps testing.
I doubt any of these companies are using the cheap stuff you find at Walmart in their testing.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on June 13, 2021, 06:00:54 PM
Whenever I see an air gun claim a certain fps, I tend to think they use match grade pellets when doing the fps testing.
I doubt any of these companies are using the cheap stuff you find at Walmart in their testing.
Generally speaking, it's not match, it's just the super light weight pellets, the ones with polymer tips. But yes. That's what I like with a lot of thr PCP airguns they usually say 900fps with X gr pellet. I think Gamo was the worst offender of this. They used custom like 4gr poly pellets and were claiming speeds of 1500fps. Then people caught wind and started blasting them.
For the stuff I'd like to use airguns for (quiet, cheap practice and quiet pest control) high velocity is actually a negative selling point. I'd rather have everything be subsonic. I can see why high velocity would be good in certain applications though.
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on June 11, 2021, 03:32:16 PM
Bought a Crossman 760 years ago after my old 2100 gave up the ghost. Have been using the 760 for pest control over the years, but sometimes required follow up shots to finish the job.
Recently acquired a Gamo Wildcat .22. Fantastic for the money imo, it's accurate and powerful. Tree rats and garden munchers stand no chance... OSOK (head shot) on a whistle pig a few weeks ago. Would recommend if needing a basic accurate varmint gun.
NapalmMan67, it's interesting to me that you went from a 2100 to the 760 - that seems like a significant step backwards! My 2nd BB gun was a 760 (those things were ubiquitous back in the 80's), which I shot until the seals wore out. Back then there wasn't any internet for me to be able to buy replacement parts, so it went into the garbage. I've got several generations of them now (which I've purchased recently for nostalgia purposes) plus a 2100, and a couple of break-barrel rifles (Crosman Nitro Venom in .177 and a Crosman Redtail in .22). Can't really shoot any of them where I live right now, so the best I can do is to do some plinking in my basement using a BB/pellet trap.
I still have my first ever BB gun, a Daisy which looks the same the Red Ryder, but without the Red Ryder branding on it. It's in terrible condition (stored in my parent's garage for decades), but could definitely be restored if I wanted to put the effort in.
I also have an oddball, a Daisy Powerline 814 Sporter, which sort of mimics the look of the Mini 14 with a folding stock. I bought it as a teenager to replace the 760 when it died. Only thing missing after all these years is part of the rear peep site, which doesn't really matter much anyway. It still works, but even new it was only good for about 400fps.
Ah, memories... :D
Airguns not being firearms, you don't have to worry about any ordinances regarding discharging firearms within city limits to clear vermin. Also in most cases overpenetration, ricochets and tree shot misses are less of an issue than with 22 cartridges.
We have an Iguana invation in my AO, and I've seen critter control along the turnpike a couple of times terminating those suckers with airguns. Last Friday on my way home there was this one stretch were every 20yds there was another Iguana. LOL, as I was driving by I was imagining walking along the side of the highway popping heads with my Benji, but then immediately thought, that's got to be like a 100lbs of lizard, would I just leave them there or put 'em in a trash can for removal? Then I thought about having to pump that Benji up that many times and the fantasy crashed. :(
You guys sub Ted's Holdover on YT right?
I've watched a few videos, but I'm not subbed yet.
There's another guy I've watched "EdgunLeshy" and the guy running the channel is hilarious. He'll get the occasional anti-hunter troll and he'll just rip into them.
I think he's sponsored by a Russian airgun company, which probably explains why he only ever uses a certain brand. The air guns he uses are pretty interesting, though.
Quote from: EBuff75 on June 13, 2021, 10:30:53 PM
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on June 11, 2021, 03:32:16 PM
Bought a Crossman 760 years ago after my old 2100 gave up the ghost. Have been using the 760 for pest control over the years, but sometimes required follow up shots to finish the job.
Recently acquired a Gamo Wildcat .22. Fantastic for the money imo, it's accurate and powerful. Tree rats and garden munchers stand no chance... OSOK (head shot) on a whistle pig a few weeks ago. Would recommend if needing a basic accurate varmint gun.
NapalmMan67, it's interesting to me that you went from a 2100 to the 760 - that seems like a significant step backwards! My 2nd BB gun was a 760 (those things were ubiquitous back in the 80's), which I shot until the seals wore out. Back then there wasn't any internet for me to be able to buy replacement parts, so it went into the garbage. I've got several generations of them now (which I've purchased recently for nostalgia purposes) plus a 2100, and a couple of break-barrel rifles (Crosman Nitro Venom in .177 and a Crosman Redtail in .22). Can't really shoot any of them where I live right now, so the best I can do is to do some plinking in my basement using a BB/pellet trap.
I still have my first ever BB gun, a Daisy which looks the same the Red Ryder, but without the Red Ryder branding on it. It's in terrible condition (stored in my parent's garage for decades), but could definitely be restored if I wanted to put the effort in.
I also have an oddball, a Daisy Powerline 814 Sporter, which sort of mimics the look of the Mini 14 with a folding stock. I bought it as a teenager to replace the 760 when it died. Only thing missing after all these years is part of the rear peep site, which doesn't really matter much anyway. It still works, but even new it was only good for about 400fps.
Ah, memories... :D
Yes, I would have much preferred another 2100. BUT, 12 or 13ish years ago when I bought the 760, I was unwilling to add an additional $20.00-30.00 to a $45.00 air gun... see next comment on macwa77s quote.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on June 14, 2021, 08:26:59 AM
Airguns not being firearms, you don't have to worry about any ordinances regarding discharging firearms within city limits to clear vermin. Also in most cases overpenetration, ricochets and tree shot misses are less of an issue than with 22 cartridges.
You guys sub Ted's Holdover on YT right?
In my glorious state, an air gun with a projectile diameter of .18 or greater, or any air gun that discharges projectiles above 700fps is considered a firearm. Have to fill out a 4473, pay the $20-30.00 transfer fee and 24 hour waiting period. So, there's that.
Never heard of Ted Holdover.
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Here in Texas airguns aren't really regulated at all.
You go into whatever store sells them, pick the one you want, pay for it and walk out with it. Only thing the stores require is you be at least 18 and have a valid ID or driver's license to purchase.
No forms to fill out, no background checks, nothing.
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on June 14, 2021, 12:21:14 PM
In my glorious state, an air gun with a projectile diameter of .18 or greater, or any air gun that discharges projectiles above 700fps is considered a firearm. Have to fill out a 4473, pay the $20-30.00 transfer fee and 24 hour waiting period. So, there's that.
Never heard of Ted Holdover.
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Wow, that sucks, I'd have to read the specifics on that. Because the regulation could be on air rifles and not redifining them as firearms which would really be hard to do legally since lawyers love to argue definitions and terms. I supposed they redefined the word 'fire' to make it include 'air' to get that to pass. Firearms have nothing to do with caliber, its all in the 'fire' part of that word. But if your local ordinance says firearms discharged within the city are illegal, then airguns, and Laser guns aren't firearms either. Except in your state. :smiley_devil:
Ted's Channel on YT https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNqIq439XbEIeJhFJca2J-g
I just finished modifying a Crosman 1322 for a friends birthday present.
He has loads of "real guns", but never owned a pellet gun.
I added (same setup as mine)
18inch barrel, barrel band, new front sight,and a bolt to replace the roll pin in the pump arm. "Big boy kit from pyramid air"
the Crosman stock, the zip tie mod, and 22lr case mod/trigger tuning (pics to come).
With the longer barrel, and stock, they're more accurate, and pull better fps
than with the regular 9in barrel with the same amount of pumps.
I also put the stock, 22lr case mod, 18in barrel, and zip tie mod on my 2240,
it's good for jackrabbits out to 30yds my 1322 (modded) 25-40yds (25pumps).
Each of these cost less than $200 all together.
Also I DID have a silencer for my 2240, bought from "Buck Rail" and it worked extremely well, until my rifle got dropped...
And by then they had stopped making them (fear of the alphabet is my best guess.)
but I would definitely buy another three two for me and one for previously mentioned friend, if they would make them again.
Again articles possible in case anyone else wanted to mod one themselves.
Jay
Quote from: NapalmMan67 on June 14, 2021, 12:21:14 PM
In my glorious state, an air gun with a projectile diameter of .18 or greater, or any air gun that discharges projectiles above 700fps is considered a firearm. Have to fill out a 4473, pay the $20-30.00 transfer fee and 24 hour waiting period. So, there's that.
Never heard of Ted Holdover.
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Wait, what? :wtf:
While I have no trouble believing there are cities, counties, even states and countries where airguns, either as a whole or just models above a certain line, are considered firearms, I'm having a bit of trouble with the 4473 part. That's a federal form. What the hell do they do with it? The feds don't consider it a firearm so there's no need to fill out federal paperwork to buy one, just like there's no need to enter the sale into an FFL's logbook. BATFE isn't going to give a damn about the sale.
I really enjoy my Benjamin Titan GP. A single shot .22 pellet gun using a nitrogen piston has a ridiculously long life span, is extremely quiet, and accurate like a laser beam for about 20-30 meters using even a half decent optic.
Mine has killed more small game than all of my other weapons combined.
Ammo availability is fantastic even during times like these, and the penetration is really impressive, even if they don't quite perform at the same velocities that are advertised.
Not a bad thing to have around when zombies come.
What's y'alls opinion of the Ruger .22 pellet rifles ?
I've found a couple at the local Walmart for about 150 and they seem to be a good choice for an entry level .22 airgun.
I may pick one up soon since I've never owned a .22 pellet rifle and I really don't want to spend a whole lot of money on something that'll primarily live in my closet or next to my bookshelf with my Beeman Silver Bear.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on October 04, 2021, 12:28:53 PM
What's y'alls opinion of the Ruger .22 pellet rifles ?
I've found a couple at the local Walmart for about 150 and they seem to be a good choice for an entry level .22 airgun.
I may pick one up soon since I've never owned a .22 pellet rifle and I really don't want to spend a whole lot of money on something that'll primarily live in my closet or next to my bookshelf with my Beeman Silver Bear.
Is it nitro piston or spring piston? I have the Ruger Airhawk .177 which is spring piston and don't really like the spring action on the break barrels. I imagine the .22 version would have a heavier spring.
Its a quality air rifle though. I never got around to getting a nitro piston break barrel to compare but was told it has a better recoil and barrel harmonics and is quieter. If its a nitro piston go for it. If its spring piston...
Quote from: MacWa77ace on October 04, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on October 04, 2021, 12:28:53 PM
What's y'alls opinion of the Ruger .22 pellet rifles ?
I've found a couple at the local Walmart for about 150 and they seem to be a good choice for an entry level .22 airgun.
I may pick one up soon since I've never owned a .22 pellet rifle and I really don't want to spend a whole lot of money on something that'll primarily live in my closet or next to my bookshelf with my Beeman Silver Bear.
Is it nitro piston or spring piston? I have the Ruger Airhawk .177 which is spring piston and don't really like the spring action on the break barrels. I imagine the .22 version would have a heavier spring.
Its a quality air rifle though. I never got around to getting a nitro piston break barrel to compare but was told it has a better recoil and barrel harmonics and is quieter. If its a nitro piston go for it. If its spring piston...
I'm actually not entirely sure on that. I think it may be a nitro piston, but I'll have to check the box the next time I'm at Walmart.
TFB - [SHOT 2022] The Umarex Primal 20 – A 20-Gauge Slug Airgun (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/01/17/shot-2022-umarex-primal-20-20-gauge-slug-airgun/)
Today at SHOT 2022's Industry Day at the Range, Umarex unveiled their brand new Primal 20. Airguns have been carving themselves a niche in the hunting market and Umarex is one of the big names in that area. Their newest offering is a 20-gauge slug firing airgun.
The Umarex Primal 20 has an onboard 4,000 PSI air tank, that pushes a 20-gauge 395-grain slug to 700fps at the muzzle. In other words, you're getting a whopping 430 foot-pounds of force. That is more than enough to take deer or similar sized critters. The staff at the booth told me they had successfully hunted a Red Deer with the Primal 20, at a range of about 65 yards.
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When a PCP airgun is chambered in something like .357 cal, are the projectiles the same as on a real .357 or are they different ?
Like could you take Hornady .357 projectiles and run them in an airgun chambered in .357 or would that not work ?
Quote from: RickOShea on January 17, 2022, 05:29:24 PM
The Umarex Primal 20 has an onboard 4,000 PSI air tank, that pushes a 20-gauge 395-grain slug to 700fps at the muzzle. In other words, you're getting a whopping 430 foot-pounds of force.
:zomg:
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on January 17, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
When a PCP airgun is chambered in something like .357 cal, are the projectiles the same as on a real .357 or are they different ?
Like could you take Hornady .357 projectiles and run them in an airgun chambered in .357 or would that not work ?
Airgun pellets typically have a conical skirt at the trailing end. I imagine to increase the surface area for the pressurized air to push against and perhaps for a bit of extra stability, but I don't really know for sure. But that's what pellets I've seen always look like. But I'm only familiar with pellets up to .25 caliber. Maybe something changes at the higher airgun calibers.
I was thinking the same thing, majorhavoc.
Some of the 22 cal pellets I've seen don't have the little skirt, but they do have what I guess is a rim that acts as a seal in the barrel. I figure larger caliber pellets would have something similar to that or the skirt.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on January 17, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
When a PCP airgun is chambered in something like .357 cal, are the projectiles the same as on a real .357 or are they different ?
Like could you take Hornady .357 projectiles and run them in an airgun chambered in .357 or would that not work ?
They are designed differently and are sometimes lighter, not jacketed, and therefor sometimes less expensive than an equivalent box of .357 reloads. But not always?!?
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Here's 25) airgun Pellets .357 for $1.20 / pellet. https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-nosler-ballistic-tip-extreme-air-rifle-bullet-357-cal-145?p=889
Here's a box of 250) .357 reloads for $0.11/ bullet. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018181542?pid=792360
Its not apples to apples but you can see what I mean.
If it works you could save some money. But in the above case of airgun pellets, you could actually buy .357 ammo for less than $1.20/ cartridge. YMMV.
I really should learn about new airguns. I'm mostly familiar with older ones.
Years of playing paintball as a kid makes me have an aversion to anything with compressed air or co2 tanks. I lived way out in the country, so whenever paintball guns started leaking (a frequent occurrence) it would be months before we could go back to town to visit a scuba shop or paintball field and get them refilled.
Do these PCP airguns not leak very often? How expensive are the air compressors to fill them at home? Does outside air temperature have a big effect on velocity?
They are like a scuba tank, they don't leak and if they do its an issue. and they better not leak because they are friggin' expensive.
The compressors are expensive because they have to go to 3000 or 3500 psi. So you have to get one that is made for it. Some of the air rifles have detachable tanks. Others are built in. They even have some that have a built in hand pump, but those are more like a VPP [variable pump pneumatic] only you pump it up to 3000psi and then after a few shots you pump again but its only to keep it topped off. Some come with some sort of hand or foot pump.
There are adapters that you can get for scuba tanks to use as a source for refilling your air rifles. So then you only have to fill up your scuba tank and then you're set for a while.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pcp+compressor&atb=v366-1&iax=shopping&ia=shopping
I had an aversion to CO2 also because my first one, a revolver pellet pistol, leaked like crazy right out of the box. I didn't know any better and thought that, that is the way those are. But I have CO2 airsofts now and they don't leak.
Am I in upsidedown world? :smiley_shrug:
A little background. I'm a decent shot with air rifles. :shades:
We started getting a rat raiding our 'ground' bird feeder a few weeks ago. The bird feeders are pretty close to any shooting position I'd take, and so I was thinking I couldn't use any of my scoped airguns because I wasn't sure of the 'hold under' with the sight over bore for that distance. And hadn't practiced that close in to learn it. Which I guesstimate at about 20 ft. [I'm going to have to remedy that cause I should know what each rifle will do at ALL distances]
With that in mind I had already decided that if I get a chance at a shot, I'm going to grab my Crosman 66 Powermaster with iron sites.
The opportunity presented itself so I grabbed my Powermaster VPP, put 10 pumps on the pneumatic, and loaded a 177 hunting pellet.
Quietly slid open the sliding glass door and stood in the doorway taking aim while bracing the forgrip against the wall. This would be an easy standing braced shot out to 75 feet normally for me. But SNAP and the rat and squirrels ran away. I MISSED! WTF!
I couldn't see the pellet or where it hit, and I had aimed at the head and my trigger break picture was on target. [that mental image that tells you if the trigger broke when you were on target or off, if you know what i mean] So I didn't know if I went over the rat, which is what I suspected, or under.
A little while later the rat came back, and so I took the exact same stance again, sliding the door open quietly, but this time I aimed lower and at the body, thinking most likely I went over that little noggin the last time. SNAP! and the rat ran off! :eek1:
Something must be off on the site. The rear site has an elevation adjustment with 5 notches. It was set on the second to the bottom. That should have worked. The bottom notch being no elevation and hardly any drop over 20 ft at ~600fps with a standard pellet, and a ~16 degree down angle
a=68"
b=240"
α=16
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From my experience I figured that there might be a little rise at that distance on the second notch, so instead of aiming at the top of the head I aimed at the center. That's about a 3/8 inch hold under. To take that 2nd notch elevation down. At least that's what I Kentucky calculated. And then I aimed even lower by about an inch on the second shot, and at the body, and still missed.
So I gotta confirm where these shots are landing by setting up a target at 20 ft.
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Then yesterday i set up a target at about 20 ft to do a test. And moved the site elevation adjustment to the first notch or lowest elevation setting. [from the second]
Using a standing, unsupported shooting position. Seriously this should be an easy shot for me. Aiming at the center, the shot went ~3.5" low.
This freaked me out. As you can see its not even on the target. [The front site is pretty wide and so it covers to the 7 ring.]
(https://i.imgur.com/d1HTxpK.jpg) 3 shot site in.
There's no other way to adjust this rear site downward to raise the shot placement when you're already on the lowest elevation setting. So I did the illogical thing. I raised the rear site to 3rd elevation position and fired two more shots standing, unsupported, max fps.
And that fixed the site issue.
BUT THAT'S NOT HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO WORK!
The only thing I can think of is that the output on this rifle isn't anywhere close to 600 fps. But it sounds, feels, and any lower FPS and I think I could see the pellet flying.
Are you telling me there is a 4" drop in 20 ft on this rifle using a 177 round nose pellet? NO WAY! I don't think there is a pressure leak as I store it with one pump and no matter how long its been sitting there, there is about 1 pump of pressure if I test fire that and reset it. I store all my VPP's with one pump when not in use.
Or can it be there some sort of rear site air rifle quantum theory I missed? 'Cause if the shot is low, I normally increase the rear site's elevation to raise the POI.
:smiley_shrug:
Anyhow,
Mr. Rat, I have you nowww.
If I remember correctly, that particular air rifle has a smooth bore and not a rifled one.
Accuracy varies a bit depending on pellet type, weight and things like that. They're also moreso set up for round BBs instead of pellets. At least the ones I've owned in the past have been.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on November 01, 2023, 04:08:24 PMIf I remember correctly, that particular air rifle has a smooth bore and not a rifled one.
Accuracy varies a bit depending on pellet type, weight and things like that. They're also moreso set up for round BBs instead of pellets. At least the ones I've owned in the past have been.
I wasn't familiar with the Crosman 66, so I did some digging, but it's hard to get much info, as it's been discontinued for around 20 years. It's essentially a gussied up Crosman 760 (they even share the same owners manual (https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/manuals/crosman-C66.pdf)), with a different stock and a slightly higher FPS rating (which might be related to the length of stroke on the pump, given the longer forend).
I did find one forum (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=111889.0) claiming that it's rifled, but I couldn't find anything official saying that it is. For the 760 Pumpmaster, it depends on the age. I have one that's NIB and it's a smooth bore. But I pulled out a 1980s vintage model and it's rifled. Since the 66 appears to be an upgraded model of the 760, I would guess that the forum poster might be correct.
As to why it's shooting low, not sure. It could be that it's not building enough pressure (when my 760 that I had as a kid was wearing out, I had to pump it more and more times to get a good shot out of it). It could also be that the sights are just off (unless this is something new for that specific gun). It could also be ammo-related. Airguns can be just as, if not more picky than .22LR guns are about which ammo they like. Maybe try it again with a lighter pellet, or even a BB and see how that affects the point of impact.
Interestingly, in that same chat thread, someone had this comment:
QuoteI had a PM66 that I used for pesting. After pumping I always gave the foregrip a good twist ccw and accuracy improved dramatically. This puts the barrel/receiver closer to the same position every time. Used a laser boresighter to match the cheap scope to this position.
With those plastic-bodied guns, it wouldn't surprise me at all if something as simple as flexing the gun could alter the point of impact!
Quote from: MacWa77ace on November 01, 2023, 03:19:10 PMMr. Rat, I have you nowww.
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Quote from: EBuff75 on November 01, 2023, 06:04:35 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on November 01, 2023, 04:08:24 PMIf I remember correctly, that particular air rifle has a smooth bore and not a rifled one.
Accuracy varies a bit depending on pellet type, weight and things like that. They're also moreso set up for round BBs instead of pellets. At least the ones I've owned in the past have been.
I wasn't familiar with the Crosman 66, so I did some digging, but it's hard to get much info, as it's been discontinued for around 20 years. It's essentially a gussied up Crosman 760 (they even share the same owners manual (https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/manuals/crosman-C66.pdf)), with a different stock and a slightly higher FPS rating (which might be related to the length of stroke on the pump, given the longer forend).
I did find one forum (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=111889.0) claiming that it's rifled, but I couldn't find anything official saying that it is. For the 760 Pumpmaster, it depends on the age. I have one that's NIB and it's a smooth bore. But I pulled out a 1980s vintage model and it's rifled. Since the 66 appears to be an upgraded model of the 760, I would guess that the forum poster might be correct.
As to why it's shooting low, not sure. It could be that it's not building enough pressure (when my 760 that I had as a kid was wearing out, I had to pump it more and more times to get a good shot out of it). It could also be that the sights are just off (unless this is something new for that specific gun). It could also be ammo-related. Airguns can be just as, if not more picky than .22LR guns are about which ammo they like. Maybe try it again with a lighter pellet, or even a BB and see how that affects the point of impact.
Interestingly, in that same chat thread, someone had this comment:
QuoteI had a PM66 that I used for pesting. After pumping I always gave the foregrip a good twist ccw and accuracy improved dramatically. This puts the barrel/receiver closer to the same position every time. Used a laser boresighter to match the cheap scope to this position.
With those plastic-bodied guns, it wouldn't surprise me at all if something as simple as flexing the gun could alter the point of impact!
I didn't even think about the gun flexing throwing off accuracy.
Remember, after I raised the rear sight to notch 3, accuracy at 20 ft was fine. I'm questioning a 3.5" drop at 20 feet. Seems to much. I suspect a pressure issue. I don't have a chronograph to calc balistics to find out if that is normal. But why would the rear sight have notches for 10 and 15 feet then? Maybe it does though.
My Powermaster 66 is rifled and has one of those pellet loaders. This air gun is optimized for pellets. And will fire BBs as an alternate.
I owned a vintage 760 and put thooousands of rounds thru it. It was accurate and at 7 to 10 pumps per shot that's a lot of use, and accuracy never changed. That air gun was smooth bore and optimized for BBs. And would fire pellets and darts as an alternate. With all that use and no bending of the frame I'm doubtful it's Flex or bent.
It's not harmonics as it's a VPP, if that's the type of flex you mention. But I understood 'flex' to be the barrel/receiver to be changing relationship due to the pumping action. But the iron site sit on the barrel so that issue would affect scoped guns only IMO. Scopes sit on the receiver.
I don't use this gun much, and bought it used at a garage sale do $10 and it wouldn't hold a charge, but I fixed it in 5 minutes.
Thanks for the input so far, keep it coming, good ideas.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on November 01, 2023, 07:40:01 PMRemember, after I raised the rear sight to notch 3, accuracy at 20 ft was fine. I'm questioning a 3.5" drop at 20 feet. Seems to much. I suspect a pressure issue. I don't have a chronograph to calc balistics to find out if that is normal. But why would the rear sight have notches for 10 and 15 feet then? Maybe it does though.
My Powermaster 66 is rifled and has one of those pellet loaders. This air gun is optimized for pellets. And will fire BBs as an alternate.
I owned a vintage 760 and put thooousands of rounds thru it. It was accurate and at 7 to 10 pumps per shot that's a lot of use, and accuracy never changed. That air gun was smooth bore and optimized for BBs. And would fire pellets and darts as an alternate. With all that use and no bending of the frame I'm doubtful it's Flex or bent.
It's not harmonics as it's a VPP, if that's the type of flex you mention. But I understood 'flex' to be the barrel/receiver to be changing relationship due to the pumping action. But the iron site sit on the barrel so that issue would affect scoped guns only IMO. Scopes sit on the receiver.
I don't use this gun much, and bought it used at a garage sale do $10 and it wouldn't hold a charge, but I fixed it in 5 minutes.
Thanks for the input so far, keep it coming, good ideas.
I used the shit out of my old 760 and I'd probably still have it if I hadn't used WD-40 to lubricate it back when I was a kid! It ate the seals out of it and back then there wasn't any good way to get parts to fix it. So I just junked it and bought something else (a Daisy 814 Sporter (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/daisy-model-814-in-the-original-box-mfg-1987-1989/), which is actually fairly rare, and which I still have!).
The ones that I have now are replacements that I bought out of nostalgia. I've got 3 of them, ranging in age from the 1980s up to just a few years ago. However, if I were using an airgun to shoot some type of varmint, I'd probably step up to one of my scoped break-barrel guns, just for the added power / accuracy. Or maybe my Crosman 2100B, which is sort of the "grown up" version of the 760.
One of the things that I miss (since I live in the city) is being able to go out in the back yard and do some plinking with an airgun!
Quote from: EBuff75 on November 01, 2023, 08:46:51 PMI used the shit out of my old 760 and I'd probably still have it if I hadn't used WD-40 to lubricate it back when I was a kid! It ate the seals out of it and back then there wasn't any good way to get parts to fix it. So I just junked it and bought something else (a Daisy 814 Sporter (https://www.bakerairguns.com/product/daisy-model-814-in-the-original-box-mfg-1987-1989/), which is actually fairly rare, and which I still have!).
I used 3 in 1 on my Dad's, now my, Daisy model 25, but it has a 'rubber' seal [might be rubber and leather IIRC, IDK it's older than I am] so it didn't damage it. Now the seal is worn down though. And I used 3 in 1 on my Daisy Model 105 too [my first BB gun ] but I sold that at a garage sale when I was a kid.
But as I'm sure you know now, only use Silicone oil on air guns.
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Quote from: EBuff75 on November 01, 2023, 08:46:51 PMThe ones that I have now are replacements that I bought out of nostalgia. I've got 3 of them, ranging in age from the 1980s up to just a few years ago. However, if I were using an airgun to shoot some type of varmint, I'd probably step up to one of my scoped break-barrel guns, just for the added power / accuracy. Or maybe my Crosman 2100B, which is sort of the "grown up" version of the 760.
Yeah, I grabbed the Powermaster because its more than enough power for a rat, and it had iron sites. If you site your scoped gun in at 50 or 75 ft, shooting something at 10-20 feet means you have to do a hold under because of the site over bore measurement and shorter distance. So I thought I was making the best choice. Didn't work out that way. Yet.
For Instance:
My Benji 392 has a ridiculous site over bore. And is zero'd at 75 ft. It's a 22 cal VPP but I don't/didn't know the hold under for 20 feet on a cold bore on this one either. That's why I didn't grab it or my scoped break barrel.
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Quote from: majorhavoc on November 01, 2023, 06:16:35 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on November 01, 2023, 03:19:10 PMMr. Rat, I have you nowww.
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LOL
I was going Wargames, but :smiley_clap:
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https://youtu.be/zb1r_uKOew4?si=7tJlM42ZdIMvp3lV&t=33
This .22 Gamo Swarm Magnum 10x Gen3i rifle that I picked up is a mouthful to say (and hard to type), and my arthritic shoulders are complaining bitterly at my folly in thinking I'd have no trouble cocking it but I'm looking forward to getting it out in the yard this week and sighting it in on the bullet trap I picked up.
Now designated: GSM 22 G3
Quote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Quote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Quote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Gen 2 was also inertia fed but didn't have the "i". I think it's for "improved". Not sure what the 10X is since I think the optic only goes to 9.
At some point I'd like to get a .22 caliber air rifle, but I also keep thinking I have nowhere to utilize it since I live in town.
Plus I don't want the local PD to show up and fine me for shooting an air rifle in my backyard. :gonk:
Quote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 01:10:44 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Gen 2 was also inertia fed but didn't have the "i". I think it's for "improved". Not sure what the 10X is since I think the optic only goes to 9.
Doesn't Gen 3 mean improved? Is it an 8 or 10 pump max?
Quote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 03:44:21 PMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 01:10:44 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Gen 2 was also inertia fed but didn't have the "i". I think it's for "improved". Not sure what the 10X is since I think the optic only goes to 9.
Doesn't Gen 3 mean improved? Is it an 8 or 10 pump max?
It's a break barrel. Single pump stroke.
Quote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 01:10:44 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Gen 2 was also inertia fed but didn't have the "i". I think it's for "improved". Not sure what the 10X is since I think the optic only goes to 9.
Maybe it's for the 10-pellet magazine?
I'd be curious to hear your impressions now that you've had it for a bit. It's on sale on Amazon right now and I've been eyeing it and trying to decide whether I want to buy one.
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 17, 2024, 09:17:52 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 01:10:44 PMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 09:52:47 AMQuote from: NT2C on May 26, 2024, 09:05:20 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on May 26, 2024, 07:44:15 AMNow designated: GSM 10X 22 G3i
FTFYA
(forgot to add the 10X)
Purposefully left off the optic cause changeable. And I can't find a G3 that is not inertia fed so left that 'i' off too. [assumed 'i' for inertia] KISS :smiley_shrug:
Gen 2 was also inertia fed but didn't have the "i". I think it's for "improved". Not sure what the 10X is since I think the optic only goes to 9.
Maybe it's for the 10-pellet magazine?
I'd be curious to hear your impressions now that you've had it for a bit. It's on sale on Amazon right now and I've been eyeing it and trying to decide whether I want to buy one.
My sole impression is that I've really gotten weak in my old age. The ~50lb. cocking force needed tires me out before I even finish a mag. Now, granted that I have nerve damage and some damage to the cartilage between my ribs that's never healed, and I'm fat and haven't exercised in years, but daymn, I really need to hit the gym.
As for shooting it, I can't speak to the accuracy yet as I've not taken it to the range yet, just a few shots in the yard at night.
I have a crossman brake apart pump air rifle and the Byrna Kinetic Launcher :)
Quote from: KJ4SDD on September 26, 2024, 09:44:46 PMI have a crossman brake apart pump air rifle and the Byrna Kinetic Launcher :)
What model Crosman? Do you mean break barrel or take down?
I have two 'sort of' take down Air Rifles.
I discovered that my Benjamin 392 22 cal could be made 'smaller' by taking off the stock with one simple bolt. And I have a Daisy model 25 pump that's an antique and back then they made them so with one thumbscrew you could take the whole barrel and pump action off the receiver. You can still get that model but IIRC there is no takedown bolt on the new model design.
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My only break barrel is a Ruger AirHawk spring action 177. I don't like it.
This is cool.
I remember when I was a kid there was an M1 Carbine that was CO2 powered but IIRC it wasn't full auto. I can't remember the manufacturer either. I wanted one so bad, I think I took a magazine with the ad with me to sit on Santa's lap and make sure he got me the right one. I also seem to remember it might have had one of those rotating six shot pellet holders. :smiley_shrug: It's very fuzzy now.
Anyhow, didn't get it. Shouldn't they call this full auto version the M2 Carbine? Wonder why they couldn't work out a detachable magazine. Pretty sure the one from my childhood had a mag box whether it was detachable or not IDK.
I've been seeing that pop up on my recommendations on YouTube and it looks interesting.
I have no real use for one, but I still want one.
My Vintage Daisy model 25 w/ custom blued finish in takedown mode.
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Quote from: MacWa77ace on October 11, 2024, 04:31:41 PMMy Vintage Daisy model 25 w/ custom blued finish in takedown mode.
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Huh. A takedown airgun. I did not know such a thing existed.
Been awhile since anyone posted in this thread, so here goes nothing.
A long time ago, I picked up a Daisy Powerline air rifle for my oldest nephew. This would've been around 2015 or so and I recently found out it does not like .177 caliber pellets at all.
Like it'll chamber them, but it will not fire them. It'll eat BBs all day long, but it refuses to pop out a pellet. I'm not sure if it's an undersized chamber or what, though. I've never had this happen before.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 09, 2026, 11:25:01 PMBeen awhile since anyone posted in this thread, so here goes nothing.
A long time ago, I picked up a Daisy Powerline air rifle for my oldest nephew. This would've been around 2015 or so and I recently found out it does not like .177 caliber pellets at all.
Like it'll chamber them, but it will not fire them. It'll eat BBs all day long, but it refuses to pop out a pellet. I'm not sure if it's an undersized chamber or what, though. I've never had this happen before.
That's strange.
What'd it do exactly?
Would it discharge the compressed air but the pellet wouldn't leave the chamber? Jam?
At the chamber or down the barrel a ways?
Everytime or sometimes?
What'd you/he have to do to get the pellet out of the chamber/bbl?
I don't like the Powerline's bb feed system. It 'interferes' with using pellets by constantly feeding bb's thru the hopper from the magazine. So you have to be really careful not to double feed a bb behind a pellet. And then here's my guess at what might be happening without knowing any of the details.
If you only pull the bolt back far enough to insert a pellet, but not grab a bb, it doesn't cock the mechanism. You have to pull the bolt all the way back 'til it stops. I'll double check that tonight on mine when I get home from work. [If I remember :rolleyes1: ] I could be wrong but I was messing around with mine Sunday and I was purposefully pulling it all the way back because it just felt right and I heard it click when it hit the rear.
And on my Crosman 760 I accidentally jammed a pellet in sideways or crooked a few times which when I moved the bolt forward it deformed the pellet. I used to do some crazy stuff with that one. Like load 7 bb's in the barrel for a shotgun effect. It worked but not like you'd expect. It shot a 'train' of bb's, not a spread. Pretty cool looking in the sunlight.
The pellet will get jammed about maybe half an inch down the barrel and I've got to tap it out with a brass rod.
The air will pass through the barrel like normal, it's just the pellet won't. So there's probably some sort of issue with the barrel. Like maybe a burr or something that's just big enough to grab a pellet, but not a BB.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 10, 2026, 10:39:16 AMThe pellet will get jammed about maybe half an inch down the barrel and I've got to tap it out with a brass rod.
The air will pass through the barrel like normal, it's just the pellet won't. So there's probably some sort of issue with the barrel. Like maybe a burr or something that's just big enough to grab a pellet, but not a BB.
Does it happen every shot with a pellet or just sometimes?
It almost sounds like it got expanded at that point and the pellet is turning and jamming at that spot then. Same thing happens to the bb's but they are the same shape no matter what angle they are when they hit the far end of the bulge.
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Or it could be that the barrel isn't seated/connected to the chamber leaving a gap for a pellet to cross. Unlikely.
:smiley_shrug:
It only happens with pellets and it's every time I try to shoot one.
I thought at first it maybe was because i didn't pump it up enough, but even with a full charge (and a little over), the pellet will get stuck about an inch or so down the barrel.
As long as it'll function with BBs, it's fine. It's just a little unusual for an air rifle that's supposed to be able to handle BBs and pellets to only function with one.
It's also possible that the pellets are just slightly oversized. That makes more sense than there being a burr in the barrel. A burr would affect function with BBs as well, I'd think.
ETA: Did a little work on the air rifle today and I can't find a burr or anything in the barrel. I tried three different types of pellets and they all failed to exit the barrel.
Chambering all three types was a little stiff, so my conclusion is there's a flaw in the barrel itself and the flaw is unknown since I lack a bore scope camera to really get a good look in the bore. So this will just be a BB only air rifle.
I have a ton of airsoft stuff at my parents' house, if that counts. Did airsofting for 7 years before everybody decided they were kids toys and nobody wanted to even talk about it anymore. Sucks because it got me out of the house, into the woods, and it was a great all day social thing.
Quote from: Crimson_Phoenix on February 14, 2026, 02:19:13 PMI have a ton of airsoft stuff at my parents' house, if that counts. Did airsofting for 7 years before everybody decided they were kids toys and nobody wanted to even talk about it anymore. Sucks because it got me out of the house, into the woods, and it was a great all day social thing.
Airsoft is making a bit of a comeback nowadays it seems.
I know a few guys who did airsoft for actual firearms training since it was cheaper than using actual ammo and the guns they were using were damn near 1 to 1 copies of their actual stuff.
I had a bunch of airsoft guns when I was younger, but I never did anything with them beyond shooting stuff in my bedroom.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2026, 04:20:46 PMAirsoft is making a bit of a comeback nowadays it seems.
The Nerf gun generation has grow up and is looking for something a bit more intense.
Quote from: majorhavoc on February 14, 2026, 08:59:04 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2026, 04:20:46 PMAirsoft is making a bit of a comeback nowadays it seems.
The Nerf gun generation has grow up and is looking for something a bit more intense.
True.
Though I've seen some Nerf guns that make the stuff we had as kids look super weak in comparison.
Some of the homebrew stuff guys are making nowadays is stuff I'd have loved to have had as a kid.
We used to do small unit tactics and force on force games in a variety of outdoor and semi-built up areas. Sometimes as small as two teams of 3-5 guys, some as large as 12-16 per team. We practiced patrolling, ambush, counter ambush, etc. along with just for fun matches of king of the hill and capture the flag. It was a good way to not only train against an opponent who could shoot back, but also how to pick and arrange your gear, plan for the weather, move with all your equipment, etc.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2026, 09:38:48 PMThough I've seen some Nerf guns that make the stuff we had as kids look super weak in comparison.
So I figured out what the problem with my nephew's air rifle was.
Turns out it's the pellets themselves that are the problem. I found some different ones last night and tested those to see if they functioned. They did, so I tested the other ones that didn't before and they still didn't function.
They chambered, but got stuck about an inch or so down the barrel. The new ones I tested came out as intended, so it looks like my nephew's air rifle liked a particular type of pellet.
Which is the flat head type with a short tail (I'm not up on the nomenclature of air rifle ammo, so I don't know what the actual terms are.). So it looks like I'll be sticking that type for it.
The other stuff works in my old BB gun and probably the Beeman Silver Bear pellet rifle I picked up a couple years ago, so it won't go to waste.