TMJ4-TV Milwaukee - At least 1 killed, more than 20 people hurt after car drives through crowd at Waukesha Christmas parade (https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/car-drives-through-crowd-at-waukesha-holiday-parade-multiple-injured)
Update 7:12 p.m. — Police have issued a shelter in place order for everyone within a half mile radius of downtown Waukesha. More than 20 people were injured after a car drove through a crowd at the Waukesha Holiday parade Sunday evening, according to Waukesha police.
Officials said at least one person died. Ambulances, police, and family members drove the injured to local hospitals. Waukesha police have recovered the vehicle and are aware of a person of interest.
....Eyewitnesses indicate the driver of the car also fired shots out of the window while they sped through the parade. (* Looking like this may have been a Police officer firing at the vehicle.)
This is an active investigation, and it's not certain at this time what happened to the driver.
https://twitter.com/TaylorLumpkinTV/status/1462575035042910212?s=20
More than 20 injured and some killed after a driver speeds through a Wisconsin parade (https://www.npr.org/2021/11/21/1057830499/an-suv-sped-through-a-parade-in-downtown-waukesha-wis-injuring-participants)
Was that marching band high school kids? :(
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=568.new#new
RickOShea posted this with a video from the scene. Most of the people hit were part of a marching band, which are generally high school kids, though I couldn't say that for sure.
Quote from: Anianna on November 21, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Was that marching band high school kids? :(
The Police Chief said in a press conference that a lot of the victims were minors.
ETA: Just saw reporting saying 11 adults and 12 minors were transported to hospitals. Officials are not saying how many fatalities there are.
Quote from: Anianna on November 21, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Was that marching band high school kids? :(
Yes. Waukesha South High School.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/11/21/waukesha-christmas-parade-incident-what-we-know-and-dont-know/8714547002/
The school has announced it will be closed Monday but will have counselors there for any students that want to come in and talk to someone.
Anyone else get a sinking feeling that whoever is responsible for this did so in retaliation for the Rittenhouse verdict or am I the only one ?
The fact this happened so soon after the Rittenhouse verdict is raising some red flags to me.
I mean, I could be totally wrong and this is completely unrelated to the Rittenhouse verdict, but it just seems odd to me.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on November 21, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Anyone else get a sinking feeling that whoever is responsible for this did so in retaliation for the Rittenhouse verdict or am I the only one ?
The fact this happened so soon after the Rittenhouse verdict is raising some red flags to me.
I mean, I could be totally wrong and this is completely unrelated to the Rittenhouse verdict, but it just seems odd to me.
You are not the only one. Chatter from friends is pretty focused on the trial being a cause, but obviously that is speculation. A media article tried to suggest it was Islamic Terrorists. If correct in the preparator/reasoning, their timing was off.
Quote from: woodsghost on November 22, 2021, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on November 21, 2021, 09:49:41 PM
Anyone else get a sinking feeling that whoever is responsible for this did so in retaliation for the Rittenhouse verdict or am I the only one ?
The fact this happened so soon after the Rittenhouse verdict is raising some red flags to me.
I mean, I could be totally wrong and this is completely unrelated to the Rittenhouse verdict, but it just seems odd to me.
You are not the only one. Chatter from friends is pretty focused on the trial being a cause, but obviously that is speculation. A media article tried to suggest it was Islamic Terrorists. If correct in the preparator/reasoning, their timing was off.
From what I'm hearing, the person was fleeing the scene of another crime (a robbery, from what I've heard) and his route of escape just happened to be down the road the Christmas parade was on.
As to the gunshots, my guess is he figured he'd cause a panic in the crowd and the cops would back off to focus on that instead of him.
Dude apparently had a rather extensive rap sheet and had been let out on bail a couple days prior to this.
Note I merged a duplicate post into this thread.
A link to and article showing the suspect. I do not want to use his name or photo in respect to the victims of this incident/attack.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/4117021/darrell-brooks-wisconsin-arrested-christmas-parade/
Please do remember our preferred protocol...no naming the suspect/perp to avoid glamorizing the suspect/perp.
An update:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/waukesha/news/2021/11/21/waukesha-christmas-parade-car-rams-through-downtown-shots-fired-people-injured/8714041002/
Quote"At this time, we can confirm that 5 people are deceased and over 40 are injured," the statement said. "However, these numbers may change as we collect additional information."
Quote"The vehicle struck more than 20 individuals. Some of the individuals were children and there were some fatalities as a result of this incident," he said.
This is just regarding the children brought to the hospital.
https://childrenswi.org/newshub/stories/waukesha-christmas-parade-incident?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=promotedpost&utm_content=facebook-waukesha-incident-2021-11&utm_campaign=social-web
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Wisconsin
11:30 a.m.
Update on the kids we've cared for at Children's Wisconsin:
18 kids were brought to Children's Wisconsin Emergency Department.
Ages ranged from 3 to 16, which includes three sets of siblings.
Injuries ranged from facial abrasions, to broken bones, to serious head injuries.
Six of the patients were sent to surgery last night and two additional patients are undergoing surgery today.
Two kids were discharged last night. The other 16 were admitted to the hospital (10 to to the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit, PICU, and six to other areas of the hospital).
Of the 10 kids in the PICU:
Six are in critical condition
Three are in serious condition
One is in fair condition.
Other victims dead include members of the "Dancing Grannies":
https://www.facebook.com/Milwaukeedancingrannies/
News media reporting driver was out on $1,000 bail after being accused of deliberately running over the mother of his child. Re-read that as many times as it takes to sink in.
I have no words ...
Assuming this article is correct as written, which these days is not to be taken for granted as the truth:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/11/22/suspect-waukesha-parade-incident-identified-darrell-brooks-jr/8717524002/
The bail was for his 3rd incident involving violence.
Quote...posted $1,000 bond on Nov. 11 in the most recent incident and was released from Milwaukee County Jail on Nov. 16, according to the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office. He also was charged in July 2020 with two felony counts of second-degree recklessly endangering the safety of others using a dangerous weapon. Both cases are ongoing.
The recent $1,000 bail recommended by prosecutors, and accepted by the court commissioner, was "inappropriately low" given the nature of the charges, according to a statement Monday from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office, led by District Attorney John Chisholm.
The bail also was not consistent with the office's approach to cases "involving violent crime, nor was it consistent with the risk assessment of the defendant prior to setting of bail," the statement read.
"This office is currently conducting an internal review of the decision to make the recent bail recommendation in this matter in order to determine the appropriate next steps."
But don't worry they are reviewing the decision.... :rolleyes1:
Quote from: Raptor on November 22, 2021, 02:40:07 PM
Assuming this article is correct as written, which these days is not to be taken for granted as the truth:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2021/11/22/suspect-waukesha-parade-incident-identified-darrell-brooks-jr/8717524002/
The bail was for his 3rd incident involving violence.
Quote...posted $1,000 bond on Nov. 11 in the most recent incident and was released from Milwaukee County Jail on Nov. 16, according to the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office. He also was charged in July 2020 with two felony counts of second-degree recklessly endangering the safety of others using a dangerous weapon. Both cases are ongoing.
The recent $1,000 bail recommended by prosecutors, and accepted by the court commissioner, was "inappropriately low" given the nature of the charges, according to a statement Monday from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office, led by District Attorney John Chisholm.
The bail also was not consistent with the office's approach to cases "involving violent crime, nor was it consistent with the risk assessment of the defendant prior to setting of bail," the statement read.
"This office is currently conducting an internal review of the decision to make the recent bail recommendation in this matter in order to determine the appropriate next steps."
But don't worry they are reviewing the decision.... :rolleyes1:
The reading I've done so far says "inappropriately low" is a consistent theme with that DAs office. Again, media reporting cannot be assumed to be accurate.
Quote from: majorhavoc on November 22, 2021, 01:22:23 PM
News media reporting driver was out on $1,000 bail after being accused of deliberately running over the mother of his child. Re-read that as many times as it takes to sink in.
I have no words ...
I have a few words, but given I'm in polite company I'll keep them to myself.
Let's just say the words I'm thinking of would make even R. Lee Ermey blush.
If this correct...
The words "You are fired" need to uttered to any in the process who accepted the bail level without a notice of protest.
So in addition to the recent violent activity the driver is a registered sex offender with an outstanding warrant at the time he was granted $1,000 for the last instance of violence.
QuoteSo far, five Americans have been confirmed dead and 48 others remain injured. Some of the victims are children, police have confirmed.
Records out of Nevada reveal that redacted name has been a tier 2 registered sex offender since November 1, 2006 when he was convicted of statutory sexual seduction.
SNIP
The Washoe County Sheriff's Office in Nevada confirmed that they have an active warrant out
SNIP
Sources:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/22/wisconsin-parade-massacre-suspect-convicted-for-impregnating-teen-girl/
https://news.yahoo.com/waukesha-attack-darrell-brooks-identified-152149275.html
Yes that is really the world have have today.
Quote from: Raptor on November 23, 2021, 12:32:47 PM
So in addition to the recent violent activity the driver is a registered sex offender with an outstanding warrant at the time he was granted $1,000 for the last instance of violence.
QuoteSo far, five Americans have been confirmed dead and 48 others remain injured. Some of the victims are children, police have confirmed.
Records out of Nevada reveal that redacted name has been a tier 2 registered sex offender since November 1, 2006 when he was convicted of statutory sexual seduction.
SNIP
The Washoe County Sheriff's Office in Nevada confirmed that they have an active warrant out
SNIP
Sources:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/22/wisconsin-parade-massacre-suspect-convicted-for-impregnating-teen-girl/
https://news.yahoo.com/waukesha-attack-darrell-brooks-identified-152149275.html
Yes that is really the world have have today.
From the first article:
From 2002 to 2020, in addition to the rape conviction,
name redacted has:
Been convicted on felony drug charges
Convicted for obstructing an officer
Charged with reckless endangerment
Charged with having a firearm as a felon
Pleaded no contest for allegedly strangling a woman
Pleaded guilty to drug and bail jumping charges
Pleaded guilty to resisting arrest
Pleaded guilty to felony drug charges
Quote from: Lambykins on November 23, 2021, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Raptor on November 23, 2021, 12:32:47 PM
So in addition to the recent violent activity the driver is a registered sex offender with an outstanding warrant at the time he was granted $1,000 for the last instance of violence.
QuoteSo far, five Americans have been confirmed dead and 48 others remain injured. Some of the victims are children, police have confirmed.
Records out of Nevada reveal that redacted name has been a tier 2 registered sex offender since November 1, 2006 when he was convicted of statutory sexual seduction.
SNIP
The Washoe County Sheriff's Office in Nevada confirmed that they have an active warrant out
SNIP
Sources:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/22/wisconsin-parade-massacre-suspect-convicted-for-impregnating-teen-girl/
https://news.yahoo.com/waukesha-attack-darrell-brooks-identified-152149275.html
Yes that is really the world have have today.
From the first article:
From 2002 to 2020, in addition to the rape conviction, name redacted has:
Been convicted on felony drug charges
Convicted for obstructing an officer
Charged with reckless endangerment
Charged with having a firearm as a felon
Pleaded no contest for allegedly strangling a woman
Pleaded guilty to drug and bail jumping charges
Pleaded guilty to resisting arrest
Pleaded guilty to felony drug charges
In my experience, offenders have been arrested about 3-5 times more than than their charge count. And they commit crimes way more often than their arrest record count. Like 10x-100x more.
I know locally, the PD have taken to throwing every possible charge at a person in hopes of having something stick. Unfortunately once it hits our local DA's office it often goes like this:
Charges for:
Assault & Batt, Felon with a gun, resisting arrest, much drugs of multiple types, Selling on the front lawn of a school....etc, etc, etc...
DA : "If you plead guilty to possession of this tiny amount of weed, I'll throw out the rest, and set a small bail..."
felon: "Ok"
DA : "Woot! Another win!"
I honestly believe that there are times when, after the trial is over the firing squad should assemble in the courtyard.
There has been a sixth fatality. 8 year old Jackson Sparks.
Quote from: NT2C on November 23, 2021, 07:43:05 PM
I honestly believe that there are times when, after the trial is over the firing squad should assemble in the courtyard.
I agree, but I don't trust anyone to determine when that line has been crossed. I've personally witnessed too many people thrown under the bus by public defenders and gross misconduct by prosecutors.
There are times when revenge seems desirable. However revenge is not justice...and justice is the goal.
BTW...after all of this 6 dead,etc. The suspect was given the opportunity to post bail. Granted it was a $5mm bail but at what point do they deny bail.
Quote from: Raptor on November 23, 2021, 11:58:37 PM
There are times when revenge seems desirable. However revenge is not justice...and justice is the goal.
BTW...after all of this 6 dead,etc. The suspect was given the opportunity to post bail. Granted it was a $5mm bail but at what point do they deny bail.
"Justice", in this case and IMHO, means that this grossly defective excuse for a human being needs to be recycled. They are beyond repair or remediation and need to be disposed of. We speak often and with conviction of the sanctity of human life, how precious and special it is, and then completely belie the premise by allowing garbage such as this to not only live, but to walk freely amongst us. Give him his trial and then chain him to a stake out back of the courthouse where I can serve his final "justice". I won't even bill the state for the ammo expended and I'll sleep just fine that night.
Quote from: Raptor on November 23, 2021, 11:58:37 PM
There are times when revenge seems desirable. However revenge is not justice...and justice is the goal.
BTW...after all of this 6 dead,etc. The suspect was given the opportunity to post bail. Granted it was a $5mm bail but at what point do they deny bail.
In all my experience, "bail" paid is 10% of the posted amount. So in my experience, he can get out with $500,000. And the $1,000 bail was paid with $100. Most likely. It's possible Wisconsin has a different system.
Quote from: NT2C on November 24, 2021, 08:30:45 AM
Quote from: Raptor on November 23, 2021, 11:58:37 PM
There are times when revenge seems desirable. However revenge is not justice...and justice is the goal.
BTW...after all of this 6 dead,etc. The suspect was given the opportunity to post bail. Granted it was a $5mm bail but at what point do they deny bail.
"Justice", in this case and IMHO, means that this grossly defective excuse for a human being needs to be recycled. They are beyond repair or remediation and need to be disposed of. We speak often and with conviction of the sanctity of human life, how precious and special it is, and then completely belie the premise by allowing garbage such as this to not only live, but to walk freely amongst us. Give him his trial and then chain him to a stake out back of the courthouse where I can serve his final "justice". I won't even bill the state for the ammo expended and I'll sleep just fine that night.
We value human life. But at some point we have to ask "whose life is to be protected, the perpetrator or the victim?"
The criminal justice system has become very perpetrator centric. My guess is in part that is because the people they see on a regular basis are the perpetrators. I think there are some political issues too.
I agree that there are too many politically motivated DAs and defense attornies. I would like to see a combination of "death penalty" and "lawyers are held accountable for mismanagement." In ancient Hebrew law, if a builder built a shoddy building, and the building fell apart and hurt or killed someone, the builder paid according to the losses. Eye for lost eye, hand for lost hand, life for lost life. I wonder if a similar mechanism could be used to help regulate lawyers.
The perpetrator of this incident was found guilty today of all 76 counts , including six counts of first degree murder.
Quote from: flybynight on October 26, 2022, 05:01:14 PMThe perpetrator of this incident was found guilty today of all 76 counts , including six counts of first degree murder.
I give it a week before he'll start trying to appeal the verdict. This waste of space probably still thinks he did nothing wrong.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on October 26, 2022, 05:48:15 PMQuote from: flybynight on October 26, 2022, 05:01:14 PMThe perpetrator of this incident was found guilty today of all 76 counts , including six counts of first degree murder.
I give it a week before he'll start trying to appeal the verdict. This waste of space probably still thinks he did nothing wrong.
His defense Was that he is a Sovreign citizen, so the court trial does not apply to him
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on October 26, 2022, 05:48:15 PMQuote from: flybynight on October 26, 2022, 05:01:14 PMThe perpetrator of this incident was found guilty today of all 76 counts , including six counts of first degree murder.
I give it a week before he'll start trying to appeal the verdict. This waste of space probably still thinks he did nothing wrong.
That is his right under our judicial system. Assuming he can find a lawyer who believes there's a valid basis for appeal.
But I do agree that maybe there should be two kinds of guilty verdicts. "Guilty" and then "So f-ing guilty the only time you're allowed to see the inside of a courtroom again is for sentencing." This loser seems like a poster child for that kind of system.