Outdoorgearlabs as you may remember is a premier gear review site run by world class trekkers, hikers and backpackers.
This years best pocket knives range from Benchmade options for $150 to what appears to be a great bargain knife for $16.
In what appears to be a major chinese manufacturer of high end US knives ( i think Benchmade is one of them) they make a $16 knife that reviews very very well. I mention this $16 knife as it would be a great candidate for a cache knife. Or a truck knife if you will. Something of good quality but you wont mind if it gets stolen or lost. So check that one out.
I just got the Spyderco Tenacious G10 for my birthday yesterday. Its on the list. But at $56 its a mid range offering. I wanted a Spyderco. But wanted to try one out first. I will post up a review once i get used to it. It feels great in the hand so far.
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-pocket-knife
Attached is a pic of the $16 Sanrenmu 7010.
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
As for the Spyderco Tenacious, I've got a pair of them along with the larger Resilience. I use the Tenacious as my EDC folder (I also carry a Schrade/Uncle Henry Golden Spike fixed blade) and it has served me well for the past five or so years I've had it.
Of the 80 or so knives I own (I used to have a lot more, but I've downsized a bit over the years.), the Tenacious is the one I carry the most.
That Senrenmu looks an awful lot like my Benchmade Griptilian G-10, without the Benchmade slide lock (I forget what they call it).
Quote from: Moab on July 23, 2021, 12:05:26 PM
Outdoorgearlabs as you may remember is a premier gear review site run by world class trekkers, hikers and backpackers.
This years best pocket knives range from Benchmade options for $150 to what appears to be a great bargain knife for $16.
In what appears to be a major chinese manufacturer of high end US knives ( i think Benchmade is one of them) they make a $16 knife that reviews very very well. I mention this $16 knife as it would be a great candidate for a cache knife. Or a truck knife if you will. Something of good quality but you wont mind if it gets stolen or lost. So check that one out.
I just got the Spyderco Tenacious G10 for my birthday yesterday. Its on the list. But at $56 its a mid range offering. I wanted a Spyderco. But wanted to try one out first. I will post up a review once i get used to it. It feels great in the hand so far.
https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-pocket-knife
Attached is a pic of the $16 Sanrenmu 7010.
My smouldering credit card hates you.
Quote from: Nyte on July 23, 2021, 01:25:40 PM
That Senrenmu looks an awful lot like my Benchmade Griptilian G-10, without the Benchmade slide lock (I forget what they call it).
Axis lock?
These guys make one of those too: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083928M1F/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A38PNTXS74YEU8&psc=1
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
As for the Spyderco Tenacious, I've got a pair of them along with the larger Resilience. I use the Tenacious as my EDC folder (I also carry a Schrade/Uncle Henry Golden Spike fixed blade) and it has served me well for the past five or so years I've had it.
Of the 80 or so knives I own (I used to have a lot more, but I've downsized a bit over the years.), the Tenacious is the one I carry the most.
But for some reason they do not sell the Ganzo automatic knives
Quote from: NT2C on July 23, 2021, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: Nyte on July 23, 2021, 01:25:40 PM
That Senrenmu looks an awful lot like my Benchmade Griptilian G-10, without the Benchmade slide lock (I forget what they call it).
Axis lock?
These guys make one of those too: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083928M1F/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A38PNTXS74YEU8&psc=1
Yeah, that's the ticket! And damn, that one REALLY looks like the Griptillian.
Quote from: flybynight on July 23, 2021, 06:31:14 PM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
As for the Spyderco Tenacious, I've got a pair of them along with the larger Resilience. I use the Tenacious as my EDC folder (I also carry a Schrade/Uncle Henry Golden Spike fixed blade) and it has served me well for the past five or so years I've had it.
Of the 80 or so knives I own (I used to have a lot more, but I've downsized a bit over the years.), the Tenacious is the one I carry the most.
But for some reason they do not sell the Ganzo automatic knives
I had no idea Ganzo made automatic knives.
I've been looking for one of those Buck 110 autos, but they're out of stock pretty much everywhere I've looked.
Closest thing I've got to an automatic knife is a Smith and Wesson M&P OTF (not sure who makes those. I know the folders are made by Taylor, but I'm not sure who makes the OTFs.) I got from Academy. It's a decent knife, but nowhere near the quality of something like a Benchmade or a CobraTec OTF.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: flybynight on July 23, 2021, 06:31:14 PM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
As for the Spyderco Tenacious, I've got a pair of them along with the larger Resilience. I use the Tenacious as my EDC folder (I also carry a Schrade/Uncle Henry Golden Spike fixed blade) and it has served me well for the past five or so years I've had it.
Of the 80 or so knives I own (I used to have a lot more, but I've downsized a bit over the years.), the Tenacious is the one I carry the most.
But for some reason they do not sell the Ganzo automatic knives
I had no idea Ganzo made automatic knives.
I've been looking for one of those Buck 110 autos, but they're out of stock pretty much everywhere I've looked.
Closest thing I've got to an automatic knife is a Smith and Wesson M&P OTF (not sure who makes those. I know the folders are made by Taylor, but I'm not sure who makes the OTFs.) I got from Academy. It's a decent knife, but nowhere near the quality of something like a Benchmade or a CobraTec OTF.
I own one of these and like it so much , I'm afraid to carry it every day. Don't want to lose it
https://youtu.be/G0a2ROXLCqM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
I've actually got a Ganzo Firebird (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076X5P79F) (or Firebird Ganzo) sitting right here at the desk with me - it's my mail/box-opening knife. I bought it because I didn't want to spend Griptilian-money on a knife and this was basically the same design. Very smooth action and holds an edge really well.
Nice-looking knives!
If you live somewhere where Amazon.com won't ship knives :rolleyes1: you can try your hand at AliExpress. Roughly 80% of the things I buy there arrive and (so far) I've always been refunded for the other 20%. I haven't yet bought a knife from there but it should be OK ...
Sanrenmu 7010:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000209451305.html
Land 961/962:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000103237196.html
Ganzo / Firebird G7471:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32861075037.html
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 24, 2021, 12:31:21 AM
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
I've actually got a Ganzo Firebird (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076X5P79F) (or Firebird Ganzo) sitting right here at the desk with me - it's my mail/box-opening knife. I bought it because I didn't want to spend Griptilian-money on a knife and this was basically the same design. Very smooth action and holds an edge really well.
I feel you on the Griptillian. Only reason I justified one was picking it up secondhand at a screaming deal.
Didn't Joerg Sprave do a couple videos on the Ganzo knives a few years back ?
I seem to recall he had a thread about it on the old site and the models he chose held up pretty well to his tests. Granted, most of them were broken or otherwise damaged by the end, but his tests were way above the normal sort of stuff these knives (or any other brand) would be subject to by an end user.
Not sure if I got a bargain, or a knock off but I just bought this for $42
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SvMAAOSwHsdg43SB/s-l1600.jpg)
Does anyone recognize the model?
Quote from: NT2C on July 26, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
Not sure if I got a bargain, or a knock off but I just bought this for $42
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SvMAAOSwHsdg43SB/s-l1600.jpg)
Does anyone recognize the model?
I don't recognize the model, but that logo on the box is sending up a red flag to me.
I don't think Benchmade has ever used a colored butterfly on their logo, but it may be an older box or logo and I could be totally wrong.
ETA: I just did a quick search on that knife and there are indeed fakes floating around. There's a thread on BladeForums about fake Benchmade knives and on the second page there's a very similar fake F71 that looks an awful lot like yours, NT2C.
Quote from: NT2C on July 26, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
Not sure if I got a bargain, or a knock off but I just bought this for $42
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SvMAAOSwHsdg43SB/s-l1600.jpg)
Does anyone recognize the model?
From alibaba or wish?
I bought a benchmade bugout on wish. It was highly praised on youtube as an exact knockoff. It was very hard to tell the difference according to the reviewers. But i was not impressed. And very glad i had only spent $38 on what amounts to a box opener. But then again it is praised as being light weight. I guess for a "bugout". But i was not impressed. It was a pos to me. Glad i didnt spend $138. Or whatever they go for. I felt ripped off at even $38.
I will pick up one of those Land models above for $20. But have no illusions it will be as impressive as a real benchmade. As long as i get a good $20 knife out of it ill be happy. A $15 Buck knife will last damn near a life time. No reason they can't make one of these that lasts. The outdoorgearlabs review was impressive. And all but called out that it was made in the actual Benchmade factory in china.
Im liking my real spyderco tenacious tho. Even if i cant find micarta scales for it. I like it so much. I will probably buy a spyderco native. And have micarta scales made for it. I cant seem to beat the ergonomics of a spyderco in my hand. Ive bought a few pocket knives in the last several years. And none compare to the wearability and ergonomics of a spyderco for me. But i still dont understand all of the different opening mechanism that abound. Maybe that Land knife will impress me.
The consensus seems to be if you want a real Benchmade, you'll need to buy one direct from Benchmade or a trusted dealer.
I found it on eBay and it ticked all the boxes of what I was looking for (small, under 4" blade, assisted, flipper, drop point or clip blade) Okay, it's a spear point, but close enough to a drop point as to make no difference. It's destined for pocket carry in my sweats, replacing my Buck 055 that is always getting lost in the bottom of the pocket and can't easily be opened one-handed.
ETA: That it might have been a Benchmade was just a bonus.
I thought it was a drop point at first. It doesn't look like a spear point blade to me, but I'm not quite as knowledgeable about blade shapes as I probably ought to be.
Quote from: Moab on July 26, 2021, 05:36:23 PM
And all but called out that it was made in the actual Benchmade factory in china.
Are Benchmade not made in the US anymore? I thought that was a big part of their claim.
Quote from: Nyte on July 26, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: Moab on July 26, 2021, 05:36:23 PM
And all but called out that it was made in the actual Benchmade factory in china.
Are Benchmade not made in the US anymore? I thought that was a big part of their claim.
My guess is the lower priced Benchmade stuff is made in China, but the more expensive stuff is still made in the US.
I know Buck does something similar with some of their stuff. I've got some Buck knives that are made in the US and a couple that are made in China.
The Chinese Buck knives aren't bad, but the QC definitely isn't as good as the US ones.
Quote from: Nyte on July 26, 2021, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: Moab on July 26, 2021, 05:36:23 PM
And all but called out that it was made in the actual Benchmade factory in china.
Are Benchmade not made in the US anymore? I thought that was a big part of their claim.
Idk. For sure. If you read the article carefully that i posted. It pretty much said the Land knife for $16 was made in Benchmade's factory in china. But youd have to research that to know for sure. I know the Benchmade bugout knockoffs on wish are EXACT copies. I cant imagine anyone outside of a benchmade facility could do so well.
I have a Spyderco Resilience(sp?) and it's a biter. The blade doesn't always seat so when you reach in your pocket !ouch! I don't carry it anymore because of it. You can tighten the screw but it always drifts out of alignment and the detent isn't enough to keep it in place.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on July 23, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
You can get the Sanrenmu knives on Amazon as well. Amazon also sells the Ganzo knives too.
As for the Spyderco Tenacious, I've got a pair of them along with the larger Resilience. I use the Tenacious as my EDC folder (I also carry a Schrade/Uncle Henry Golden Spike fixed blade) and it has served me well for the past five or so years I've had it.
Of the 80 or so knives I own (I used to have a lot more, but I've downsized a bit over the years.), the Tenacious is the one I carry the most.
So according to my research, Benchmade claims that all official genuine Benchmade knives are made in the US. There is some traction that they may buy at least some Chinese steel, but that's harder to substantiate. As far as knock offs, it wouldn't be too hard to get one and copy it with modern manufacturing. Dunno.
Finally received that "Benchmade" knife from eBay. Yeah, this thing isn't bad, actually fooled my neighbor who's a Benchmade fan, but the fit and finish aren't Benchmade quality. For one thing, the hole for the thumb stud was drilled at a slight angle, so the stud sits a little tilted. It's a $25-$30 knife that I overpaid for, probably cost under $10 each on Ali Baba.
I ordered this one. Benchmade or not. Lol.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q1XGT23/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_MSQSF4N7ZPHFX628XJB1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Btw nt2c and others. Ebay is getting better with returns. I returned a $300 used car part. And they gave me a code to send back via usps on their dime. I had switched to amazon after decades using ebay. Because of this issue. But looks like ebay may be improving things. You cant get it next day. But you can get better deals on ebay.
I bought a xmas gift for my son via alibaba. What a pain. Ive used them before. But this time they kept trying to get me to pay for the item twice. And customer service was a support bot. I think im done trying to be that cheap. Its either amazon, ebay, or direct from sellers website.
I don't plan to return the knife but I will file a complaint with US Customs about it if the seller gives me any shit for saying it's fake in feedback.
Quote from: Moab on August 02, 2021, 04:09:14 PM
I ordered this one. Benchmade or not. Lol.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q1XGT23/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_MSQSF4N7ZPHFX628XJB1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Huh, unless they're lying about the blade being 12C27, that's a pretty killer deal. It's not quite a modern sintered "super-steel", but it's a fine-grained stainless with good edge and retention.
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
I don't plan to return the knife but I will file a complaint with US Customs about it if the seller gives me any shit for saying it's fake in feedback.
I dont understand?
Quote from: Moab on August 02, 2021, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
I don't plan to return the knife but I will file a complaint with US Customs about it if the seller gives me any shit for saying it's fake in feedback.
I dont understand?
Ebay wants you to leave feedback for every transaction, and a person's feedback score is a good indicator of how much you can trust them to deal fair. In my feedback I flat out said it was a counterfeit so that maybe it will be a warning to other buyers that things this guy sells are not what he claims. If he gives me a hard time about my saying that in the feedback I'll just file a complaint about the fake with US Customs and he can explain to them why most of what he sells seems to be fakes.
Usually, you only leave negative feedback if you plan to return an item, but he doen't accept returns anyway so that wouldn't happen regardless.
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Moab on August 02, 2021, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
I don't plan to return the knife but I will file a complaint with US Customs about it if the seller gives me any shit for saying it's fake in feedback.
I dont understand?
Ebay wants you to leave feedback for every transaction, and a person's feedback score is a good indicator of how much you can trust them to deal fair. In my feedback I flat out said it was a counterfeit so that maybe it will be a warning to other buyers that things this guy sells are not what he claims. If he gives me a hard time about my saying that in the feedback I'll just file a complaint about the fake with US Customs and he can explain to them why most of what he sells seems to be fakes.
Usually, you only leave negative feedback if you plan to return an item, but he doen't accept returns anyway so that wouldn't happen regardless.
If it comes to that, you could tip of Benchmade and I'm sure their corporate attorneys would have a field day with that information. I don't usually advocate litigation like that, but if counterfeiters are gonna cause a ruckus when they get called out, F em.
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Moab on August 02, 2021, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: NT2C on August 02, 2021, 05:03:08 PM
I don't plan to return the knife but I will file a complaint with US Customs about it if the seller gives me any shit for saying it's fake in feedback.
I dont understand?
Ebay wants you to leave feedback for every transaction, and a person's feedback score is a good indicator of how much you can trust them to deal fair. In my feedback I flat out said it was a counterfeit so that maybe it will be a warning to other buyers that things this guy sells are not what he claims. If he gives me a hard time about my saying that in the feedback I'll just file a complaint about the fake with US Customs and he can explain to them why most of what he sells seems to be fakes.
Usually, you only leave negative feedback if you plan to return an item, but he doen't accept returns anyway so that wouldn't happen regardless.
Oh. I see what your saying. So some guy on ebay is selling knifes marked "Benchmade" but they are fakes?
I did that on Wish. With a known counterfeit. A Benchmade Bugout. They used to be all over Wish. I bought one knowing it was fake. Based on a pretty good youtube comparison. Between the real deal and the fake. You really couldn't tell the difference.
But even if it was a solid fake. The Benchmade Bugout sucks to me. Way to lightweight. Its like a box cutter. And i paid $38 for it. And i think they go for $150+. Its ok for what it is. I just dont get the need for such a thin lightweight knife. Glad i didnt buy the real deal for $150.
I know this sounds odd. That im judging a knife by its counterfeit. But it is a great counterfeit. Which is part of the reason i believed the review i posted at top. That those Land knives are counterfeited by the same factory that makes the real deal.
But I dont think you need the actual factory to make a good counterfeit anymore tho. China can rip off anything. Hell even my Uboat watch is counterfeit. But its an $8000 watch. So i would never own one otherwise. And you cant tell to look at it. I paid $100 for it.
https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?topic=367.0