I need to kinda rationalize my gas cans; right now I just have random size and volumes, which is...functional. Kinda.
I'm thinking something in the jerry can format, because of the number of mounts and holders available. NATO-style cans, Scepter MFCs (if I could find them
a), or possibly Midwest cans.
In line with that, I'm thinking 3 fuel cans for the moment: that's 3/4 of a tank of gas, or running my generator full-out for 36 hours. More would be nice, but there are other constraints at the moment.
I'm also thinking of just buying a siphon each for my truck and generator. On the generator, the fuel cap is inconveniently low to the ground. On my new truck (being a modern, stupidly-tall bodied vehicle) the spigot's nowhere near a good lifting zone, and holding 45lbs or so in the air to fuel it up seem like a colossal pain in the ass.
So the questions are:
- How good are Scepter's civilian-style cans? Close enough to NATO-standard size to use jerry can mounts?
- Or should I just go metal?
- If metal, how important is a NATO-style spigot mount? Wavian makes both NATO cans, and similar-style cans branded Midwest with the same form factor but screw-on spigots. The Midwest cans are literally half the price.
1 Apparently the MFCs are restricted by the gov't. I'm not sure why, but will hazard "CARB compliance". Further commentary redacted, because CARB compliance of cans
is the law of the land.
Note about siphoning from a gas can into my truck. I picked up a squeeze bulb siphon hose like this to help me rotate preserved "hurricane" gasoline into my Tacoma. I figured it'd be easier and less messy than the government-approved gas can nozzles. About twenty minutes of transferring less than two of the five gallons in the can I got fed up with how long it was taking. This sort of siphon might be useful for sucking small amounts of gas out of a lawn mower but they suck for adding fuel to a vehicle unless you have a lot of time to waste.
-Blast
Hrm...nuts.
Shipping flammable liquids (and other nasties) is my job, after a fashion.
Quote from: boskone on July 18, 2021, 11:08:25 PM
I need to kinda rationalize my gas cans; right now I just have random size and volumes, which is...functional. Kinda.
The range of different designs of gas cans in the US always surprises me. Here in the UK there are a handful of (similar) 1-gallon cans, two or three 2-gallon ones and NATO cans for anything bigger. I suspect it's because UK law mostly prohibits plastic cans bigger than 2 gallons (it was one gallon until fairly recently).
QuoteIn line with that, I'm thinking 3 fuel cans for the moment: that's 3/4 of a tank of gas, or running my generator full-out for 36 hours. More would be nice, but there are other constraints at the moment.
15 gallons is nice to have on hand, for sure.
QuoteI'm also thinking of just buying a siphon each for my truck and generator. On the generator, the fuel cap is inconveniently low to the ground. On my new truck (being a modern, stupidly-tall bodied vehicle) the spigot's nowhere near a good lifting zone, and holding 45lbs or so in the air to fuel it up seem like a colossal pain in the ass.
You might just need a decent funnel? That would work for the generator, at least.
QuoteSo the questions are:
- How good are Scepter's civilian-style cans? Close enough to NATO-standard size to use jerry can mounts?
- Or should I just go metal?
- If metal, how important is a NATO-style spigot mount? Wavian makes both NATO cans, and similar-style cans branded Midwest with the same form factor but screw-on spigots. The Midwest cans are literally half the price.
I have no experience with Scepter cans but I understand they are essentially the same size as NATO ones,.
Metal is good but watch for rust. Support them off the ground to allow ventilation, if possible. I stand mine on a couple of lengths of 2x2.
The advantage of the NATO can is that the cap is attached (can't be lost) and has a good rubber seal to stop evaporation etc. The Midwest cans look to have some form of self-closing spout (a feature I associate with US gas cans, and haven't seen in Europe). Provided the screw-on cap is robust and seals well, and you're sure you won't lose the spout, I don't see a problem.
Watch out for fake NATO cans. There's a video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4N1Fc1HIw
And if you have the chance, buy UN approved cans. They've been tested for rough handling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjY25s2lbA
(Not all the tests in this video are required for UN approval.)
Quote from: sheddi on July 19, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
QuoteI'm also thinking of just buying a siphon each for my truck and generator. On the generator, the fuel cap is inconveniently low to the ground. On my new truck (being a modern, stupidly-tall bodied vehicle) the spigot's nowhere near a good lifting zone, and holding 45lbs or so in the air to fuel it up seem like a colossal pain in the ass.
You might just need a decent funnel? That would work for the generator, at least.
A good funnel (or 2 or 3) is very important. It results in a lot less spillage.
These are good but you need to support the funnel.
https://www.amazon.com/attwood-Marine-Filter-Funnel-Handle/dp/B0009TODIM?th=1
This set of 3 are very useful. The tall thin ATF funnel is one I use for pouring gasoline into a car since the thin pipe will fit into the fuel fill pipe.
https://www.amazon.com/Hopkins-FloTool-10714MX3-Super-Funnel/dp/B074MG2VMF/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=funnel&qid=1626713985&sr=8-11
I use the simple plastic cans and eliminated all of the metal cans due to rust (interior & exterior) issues. The are very tight sealing and durable. The biggest issue is that the new ones have the silly "non spill" valve which does work well. I get around that by simply buying either used or new old type fuel fills. They do not wear out.
https://www.amazon.com/EONLION-Replacement-Flexible-Nozzle-Stopper/dp/B08883FMM8/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=gas+can+fill&qid=1626714429&sr=8-12
https://www.amazon.com/Super-Spouts-Replacement-Nozzles-Vents/dp/B07Q3HWTV5/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=gas+can+fill&qid=1626714480&sr=8-4
I use only 5 gallon cans. If you need less fuel just short fill a 5 gallon can.
Quote from: sheddi on July 19, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
And if you have the chance, buy UN Approved cans. They've been tested for rough handling.
I agree with this for transporting gasoline. A good UN approved container is a 55 gallon drum.
https://www.amazon.com/Steel-Closed-Top-Black-Rust-Inhibitor-Lining/dp/B07B661HBY/ref=sr_1_10?crid=23R43ZQXOJWVA&dchild=1&keywords=55+gallon+drum&qid=1626714770&sprefix=55+gallon+%2Caps%2C268&sr=8-10
The biggest problem wit these is the full weight is close to 500 lbs. I use these at the farm to off road diesel. You can roll them on the rim or store them on their sides. You will need a siphon or a pump to access the fuel.
Quote from: sheddi on July 19, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
The Midwest cans look to have some form of self-closing spout (a feature I associate with US gas cans, and haven't seen in Europe).
Yeah, that's a California thing they managed to push nation-wide as a requirement. The idea is that less gasoline evaporated into the atmosphere, but at the cost of complexity, fragility, and often spilling more gas than you would with a noncompliant spout.
All gas cans post-2009 or thereabouts have similar stupid spouts.
Quote from: Raptor on July 19, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: sheddi on July 19, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
And if you have the chance, buy UN Approved cans. They've been tested for rough handling.
I agree with this for transporting gasoline. A good UN approved container is a 55 gallon drum.
https://www.amazon.com/Steel-Closed-Top-Black-Rust-Inhibitor-Lining/dp/B07B661HBY/ref=sr_1_10?crid=23R43ZQXOJWVA&dchild=1&keywords=55+gallon+drum&qid=1626714770&sprefix=55+gallon+%2Caps%2C268&sr=8-10
The biggest problem wit these is the full weight is close to 500 lbs. I use these at the farm to off road diesel. You can roll them on the rim or store them on their sides. You will need a siphon or a pump to access the fuel.
If you don't mind the fact it isn't a "gas can" and you might get odd looks at the gas station, Skolnik (https://www.skolnik.com/) make some excellent drums (we use their stainless steel ones occasionally). They come in a wide range of sizes, eg. this ten-gallon one (https://www.amazon.com/Transport-Drum-Closed-Head-Black/dp/B005E1VT0A). And they have NPT screw bungs not CARB spouts. Ten gallons of gas will only weigh 62lbs, plus 14lbs for the drum ... but you'll still need a syphon or barrel pump.
(I should've finagled Blast's affiliate code into that link :smiley_bril: )
Quote from: sheddi on July 19, 2021, 02:02:06 PM
If you don't mind the fact it isn't a "gas can" and you might get odd looks at the gas station, Skolnik (https://www.skolnik.com/) make some excellent drums (we use their stainless steel ones occasionally). They come in a wide range of sizes, eg. this ten-gallon one (https://www.amazon.com/Transport-Drum-Closed-Head-Black/dp/B005E1VT0A). And they have NPT screw bungs not CARB spouts. Ten gallons of gas will only weigh 62lbs, plus 14lbs for the drum ... but you'll still need a syphon or barrel pump.
(I should've finagled Blast's affiliate code into that link :smiley_bril: )
Here's the affiliate link: https://amzn.to/3eBYy49
:smiley_blink: :smiley_blink: :smiley_blink:
-Blast
For siphon's I've had good luck with these:
metal end goes in the liquid. Few shakes up and down, and watch the flow...
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41rutLropmL._AC_SS450_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Siphon-Safe-Multi-Purpose-Priming/dp/B000BG1X54
Quote from: Blast on July 19, 2021, 02:54:54 PM
Here's the affiliate link: https://amzn.to/3eBYy49
:smiley_blink: :smiley_blink: :smiley_blink:
-Blast
So your affiliate code/tag is "wilediofhou-20", and reading this (http://www.untetheredincome.com/articles/general/how-to-build-your-own-amazon-affiliate-links/) explanation of how it works, then we can take any base product URL, like:
https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8
and add "/?wilediofhou-20" to the end (like this, "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20") and you get a commission on the sale of any product?
That product btw is one that I bought to fix a 'broken' gas can.
Quote from: Crosscut on July 20, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Blast on July 19, 2021, 02:54:54 PM
Here's the affiliate link: https://amzn.to/3eBYy49
:smiley_blink: :smiley_blink: :smiley_blink:
-Blast
So your affiliate code/tag is "wilediofhou-20", and reading this (http://www.untetheredincome.com/articles/general/how-to-build-your-own-amazon-affiliate-links/) explanation of how it works, then we can take any base product URL, like:
https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8
and add "/?wilediofhou-20" to the end (like this, "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20") and you get a commission on the sale of any product?
That product btw is one that I bought to fix a 'broken' gas can.
I wonder if we could "double-dip" with Amazon Smile? :D
Quote from: Crosscut on July 20, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
and add "/?wilediofhou-20" to the end (like this, "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20") and you get a commission on the sale of any product?
That product btw is one that I bought to fix a 'broken' gas can.
I don't know for sure, but probably. I say we try it and find out! :smiley_blink:
-Blast
Quote from: Blast on July 20, 2021, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: Crosscut on July 20, 2021, 10:22:08 AM
and add "/?wilediofhou-20" to the end (like this, "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20") and you get a commission on the sale of any product?
That product btw is one that I bought to fix a 'broken' gas can.
I don't know for sure, but probably. I say we try it and find out! :smiley_blink:
-Blast
Supposed to be able to check if the affiliate link is correct with this tool:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/network/tools/link-checker/main.html
If "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" works let us know, I'll just add "/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" to the end of each product link and reload the page before putting items in the cart.
Quote from: Crosscut on July 20, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
Supposed to be able to check if the affiliate link is correct with this tool:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/network/tools/link-checker/main.html
If "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" works let us know, I'll just add "/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" to the end of each product link and reload the page before putting items in the cart.
Sweet! I tried the link checker and received the message "Success: The link tags to a valid tag or sub-tag for your Associate ID."
:D :D :D
-Blast
Quote from: Blast on July 20, 2021, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: Crosscut on July 20, 2021, 11:39:07 AM
Supposed to be able to check if the affiliate link is correct with this tool:
https://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/network/tools/link-checker/main.html
If "https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Spout-Water-Update-Your/dp/B00CYNDNM8/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" works let us know, I'll just add "/?&tag=wilediofhou-20" to the end of each product link and reload the page before putting items in the cart.
Sweet! I tried the link checker and received the message "Success: The link tags to a valid tag or sub-tag for your Associate ID."
:D :D :D
-Blast
:shades:
Now we know what to do, I'm just going to save this info in a txt file on the PC and will add it as described to each item. Read somewhere that affiliates can see the items they earned a commission on(?), I'll PM you with the items what I bought on the next order so you can confirm you got credit for it.
I have used those replacement spouts from Amazon and tractor supply. They work to fix old gas cans. I have a 1 gallon for chainsaws, weed wackers, then a couple of 5 gallons of regular gas.
So, what I've taken from this:
- Skip the siphons
- Metal's not really worth it
- Scepter'll probably be OK
- You guys have no conception of staying on topic and within implied specs
- We can add /?&tag=wilediofhou-20 to Amazon URLs and Blast gets a bit of money
:clownshoes:
I think I'll get a few of these 5-gallon gas cans (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-3-gallon-rv-gasoline-can/), one 5-gallon water jug (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-gallon-20-litre-water-can/), and something like EZ Pour spouts and--if I can find some--"blank" caps for the gas cans.
I can deal with just that much for now. Probably (hopefully) by the time I'm in a position to want more, I'll have a rainwater catchment system going to a nice large cistern, and my vehicle will burn pixies instead of fermented dino piss.
Quote from: boskone on July 20, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
So, what I've taken from this:
- Skip the siphons
- Metal's not really worth it
- Scepter'll probably be OK
- You guys have no conception of staying on topic and within implied specs
[/b][/u]
- We can add /?&tag=wilediofhou-20 to Amazon URLs and Blast gets a bit of money
:clownshoes:
I think I'll get a few of these 5-gallon gas cans (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-3-gallon-rv-gasoline-can/), one 5-gallon water jug (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-gallon-20-litre-water-can/), and something like EZ Pour spouts and--if I can find some--"blank" caps for the gas cans.
I can deal with just that much for now. Probably (hopefully) by the time I'm in a position to want more, I'll have a rainwater catchment system going to a nice large cistern, and my vehicle will burn pixies instead of fermented dino piss.
stay on topic ... yea sure
(https://media.tenor.com/images/39a1582efc70b222e01c000a7bae49f3/tenor.gif)
Siphon>spout in my experience, less mess, less fuss, and hands free. I also use the shaker siphon linked above.
While the blue scepter water cans are quite good a few dollars more will get you the milspec can:
https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html (https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html)
typically two cans gets you over the threshold for free shipping too.
Quote from: RonnyRonin on July 20, 2021, 08:56:19 PM
Siphon>spout in my experience, less mess, less fuss, and hands free. I also use the shaker siphon linked above.
Blast expressed some issues with flow rate; any anecdata on the subject? ~10 minutes per gallon does seem somewhat problematic.
Quote
While the blue scepter water cans are quite good a few dollars more will get you the milspec can:
https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html (https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html)
Aside from color, what are the differences?
Quote from: boskone on July 20, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
So, what I've taken from this:
- Skip the siphons
- Metal's not really worth it
- Scepter'll probably be OK
- You guys have no conception of staying on topic and within implied specs
- We can add /?&tag=wilediofhou-20 to Amazon URLs and Blast gets a bit of money
:clownshoes:
I think I'll get a few of these 5-gallon gas cans (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-3-gallon-rv-gasoline-can/), one 5-gallon water jug (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-gallon-20-litre-water-can/), and something like EZ Pour spouts and--if I can find some--"blank" caps for the gas cans.
I can deal with just that much for now. Probably (hopefully) by the time I'm in a position to want more, I'll have a rainwater catchment system going to a nice large cistern, and my vehicle will burn pixies instead of fermented dino piss.
Sorry, I'm easily distracted by shiny objects, squirrels, and amazon affiliates :)
Is the plan to get mounts for securing the cans on/in the truck, asking cuz one thing I like about the square/cube shaped cans is they're less likely to fall over in the truck bed when transporting them. The one CARB can I did modify with the EZ pour kit works well enough to keep gas from leaking when splashing around while the can is upright, but wouldn't trust it to not leak if lying on its side.
And does your truck have a capless fuel tank? That might complicate things. My 2012 Ford "easy fuel" one is anything but easy when refueling with a gas can. Need to use the supplied funnel to open the valves inside the capless adapter, then the combination of the small funnel opening and that its nearly horizontal when inserted requires pouring slowly and carefully so it doesn't spill. Stupid POS design...
Yes, I'm still contemplating jerry can mounts; my options are a bit limited of I want any use of the truck bed.
I do not have a capless fuel tank; I drive an old-ish Tundra.
Quote from: SCBrian on July 19, 2021, 06:38:39 PM
For siphon's I've had good luck with these:
metal end goes in the liquid. Few shakes up and down, and watch the flow...
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41rutLropmL._AC_SS450_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Safety-Siphon-Safe-Multi-Purpose-Priming/dp/B000BG1X54
I have the same, or equivalent. Love it, works great.
So glad that I didn't have to use a siphon today! We've been in a brown-out since last night due to a storm and I set up the generator this morning to power the fridge/freezer. Of course, as soon as I set everything up and fueled the generator, the power came back on... Fortunately, it's a small inverter-generator and I was able to just lift it and pour the gas back out into the can using a funnel.
Much easier than siphoning it! :smiley_clap:
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 21, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
Of course, as soon as I set everything up and fueled the generator, the power came back on...
Now you know as well as I do, that if you had not set up the generator, the power would still be off. :smiley_knipoog:
I don't know if anyone's interested (except perhaps for fire code inspectors :eek1: ) but here's a photo of the "flammables" end of my shed*. Yes it's a bit cluttered.
(https://i.ibb.co/FJ35vR3/IMG-20210721-201626613.jpg)
Bottom row: four 20-litre / 5-gallon NATO-style cans plus one cheap Chinese** 10-litre / 2-gallon can with a NATO closure.
Middle row: two 10-litre / 2.5-gallon NATO-style cans plus three 5-litre / 1-gallon plastic cans.
Top row: two 5-litre / 1-gallon plastic cans, one (empty, unused) Chinese 10-litre / 2-gallon can, four 450g / 16oz CV470 gas cartridges. And assorted funnels, spouts and so on. Oh, and a pack of multi-coloured zipties***.
Far right is two 7kg LPG bottles. They're butane not propane (UK weather is mild enough that the higher boiling point of propane isn't usually a problem, and the density is higher so you get more in a bottle.)
* The shed is steel, so it's less likely to catch fire ...
** The Chinese cans were advertised on-line with photos of NATO-style cans and I complained when these ones were delivered instead. After two failed attempts at returning them the seller stopped returning my emails but eBay refunded me anyway :smilie_happy_thumbup:
*** The cans contain (variously) gasoline, diesel, 2-cycle fuel-oil mix or kerosene. I use zipties to colour code the handles and hopefully stop me putting the wrong fuel in the wrong tank.
Quote from: boskone on July 20, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: RonnyRonin on July 20, 2021, 08:56:19 PM
Siphon>spout in my experience, less mess, less fuss, and hands free. I also use the shaker siphon linked above.
Blast expressed some issues with flow rate; any anecdata on the subject? ~10 minutes per gallon does seem somewhat problematic.
Flow rate is dependent on the size of the tube. The one I linked (and use) has a 1/2" tube and a flow rate of 3gpm.
I've seen 3/4" ID's, with a flow rate of ~6gpm....
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2021, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 21, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
Of course, as soon as I set everything up and fueled the generator, the power came back on...
Now you know as well as I do that if you had not set up the generator the power would still be off. :smiley_knipoog:
Don't worry, I took sole credit for the power being restored when I talked with one of the neighbors! :D
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 21, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
Quote from: Raptor on July 21, 2021, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: EBuff75 on July 21, 2021, 11:34:53 AM
Of course, as soon as I set everything up and fueled the generator, the power came back on...
Now you know as well as I do that if you had not set up the generator the power would still be off. :smiley_knipoog:
Don't worry, I took sole credit for the power being restored when I talked with one of the neighbors! :D
As well you should!
Getting back on track .....
I have run across one of these and I was going to buy one to see if they work. Anyone have any experience with these and gasoline? I am always a bit wary of using a powered pump for gasoline, especially since gravity is free.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00318D7K8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2Q1LRYTXHYQ2K&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00318D7K8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2Q1LRYTXHYQ2K&psc=1#customerReviews
I use one for Kerosene in my heater, and once for gasoline. Works well decent flow rate the bid suction end wont fit down the trucks fill tube to the gas tank. If you have other plastic tube you can put it over the tip and then use a reducer to say 1/2 " to go into the gas tank. However don't leave batteries in there over the summer. They will leak and mess up the contacts and stuff in the battery compartment.
Quote from: boskone on July 20, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: RonnyRonin on July 20, 2021, 08:56:19 PM
Siphon>spout in my experience, less mess, less fuss, and hands free. I also use the shaker siphon linked above.
Blast expressed some issues with flow rate; any anecdata on the subject? ~10 minutes per gallon does seem somewhat problematic.
Quote
While the blue scepter water cans are quite good a few dollars more will get you the milspec can:
https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html (https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html)
Aside from color, what are the differences?
I empty a 5 gallon jerry can in 3 ish minutes perhaps? haven't timed it in awhile but its less than 5 for sure. A larger hose and a higher can (say on your roof) will produce a higher flow rate. From a security perspective if you have lots of people speed is more important (the military spouts advertise 5 gallons a minute I think) but if you have fewer people I'd rather take longer but be able to keep my eyes and hands free.
The MWC is much thicker walled, fits in jerry can carriers, and has a host of aftermarket accessories built around the larger cap size (a flexi hose with a ball valve being the easiest one to justify). I have both, the blue one is more consumer friendly but the military one will outlast it by a significant margin. If I only had 2 water cans they would be MWCs. If I had 10 water cans I'd probably have 2 MWCs and 8 of the blue cans.
Quote from: sheddi on July 21, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
I don't know if anyone's interested (except perhaps for fire code inspectors :eek1: ) but here's a photo of the "flammables" end of my shed*. Yes it's a bit cluttered.
Can I steal that pic for a safety meeting at work?
It won't be for the good example in the presentation. :hystery:
Quote from: RoneKiln on July 22, 2021, 01:36:04 AM
Quote from: sheddi on July 21, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
I don't know if anyone's interested (except perhaps for fire code inspectors :eek1: ) but here's a photo of the "flammables" end of my shed*. Yes it's a bit cluttered.
Can I steal that pic for a safety meeting at work?
It won't be for the good example in the presentation. :hystery:
Yes, of course :D I'm always happy to serve as a bad example!
Quote from: boskone on July 20, 2021, 07:23:36 PM
I think I'll get a few of these 5-gallon gas cans (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-3-gallon-rv-gasoline-can/), one 5-gallon water jug (https://scepter.com/products/consumer-products/5-gallon-20-litre-water-can/), and something like EZ Pour spouts and--if I can find some--"blank" caps for the gas cans.
For what it's worth, I have those same jugs along with my mom I think the 2 od us have 7-8 and the EZ pour spouts. They work excellent. The EZ pour pack comes with 2 extension spouts that can basically bend down to like the midpoint of the can so you don't spill.
Quote from: RoneKiln on July 22, 2021, 01:36:04 AM
Quote from: sheddi on July 21, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
I don't know if anyone's interested (except perhaps for fire code inspectors :eek1: ) but here's a photo of the "flammables" end of my shed*. Yes it's a bit cluttered.
Can I steal that pic for a safety meeting at work?
It won't be for the good example in the presentation. :hystery:
(https://i.postimg.cc/262cP8bw/safety-meeting.jpg)
And based on the reviews here I need to try one of those shake-priming siphon hoses for getting fuel out of our 55 gal drum.
Quote from: sheddi on July 21, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
I don't know if anyone's interested (except perhaps for fire code inspectors :eek1: ) but here's a photo of the "flammables" end of my shed*. Yes it's a bit cluttered.
(https://i.ibb.co/FJ35vR3/IMG-20210721-201626613.jpg)
Bottom row: four 20-litre / 5-gallon NATO-style cans plus one cheap Chinese** 10-litre / 2-gallon can with a NATO closure.
Middle row: two 10-litre / 2.5-gallon NATO-style cans plus three 5-litre / 1-gallon plastic cans.
Top row: two 5-litre / 1-gallon plastic cans, one (empty, unused) Chinese 10-litre / 2-gallon can, four 450g / 16oz CV470 gas cartridges. And assorted funnels, spouts and so on. Oh, and a pack of multi-coloured zipties***.
Far right is two 7kg LPG bottles. They're butane not propane (UK weather is mild enough that the higher boiling point of propane isn't usually a problem, and the density is higher so you get more in a bottle.)
* The shed is steel, so it's less likely to catch fire ...
** The Chinese cans were advertised on-line with photos of NATO-style cans and I complained when these ones were delivered instead. After two failed attempts at returning them the seller stopped returning my emails but eBay refunded me anyway :smilie_happy_thumbup:
*** The cans contain (variously) gasoline, diesel, 2-cycle fuel-oil mix or kerosene. I use zipties to colour code the handles and hopefully stop me putting the wrong fuel in the wrong tank.
I'm sure it's fine
https://youtu.be/i72HZ0kIq7U
Quote from: Crosscut on July 22, 2021, 06:12:33 AM
And based on the reviews here I need to try one of those shake-priming siphon hoses for getting fuel out of our 55 gal drum.
Just remember, even when primed, t needs to flow downhill.
Put the metal end in the supply. Shake it until it fills and starts on it's downhill journey, then you can stop.
The metal bit is nothing more than a ball bearing atop a (usually) gasket. Acts like a 1 way valve. On the down shake, it allows in gas, the up shake closes the seal. repeat until physics takes over.
Here's a little something from The Other Place. Every word is mine so I'm happy that I've not violated anyone's intellectual property rights by copying it.
My gasoline lasted seven years in a NATO can.
Quote from: sheddi Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:25 pm
Please excuse the thread necromancy, but I've got an update for you.
Quote from: sheddiI filled a NATO jerrycan with unleaded back in 2005. The fuel came from 4 different gas stations on account of the Byzantine laws we have in the UK regarding the carriage of fuel in vehicles. I stored it "as is" without any additional treatment or additives. I've been taking a gallon a year out of it to use in my mower and Coleman stove.
So far, 4 years down the road, it's still working fine.
I'm slightly worried that next year I'll use up the final gallon without seeing any problems, and will have to bring my trial to a close without knowing how long it might have lasted.
My worry was clearly misplaced.
I have *just* (as in yesterday) taken the last of my 2005-vintage gasoline from it's NATO jerrycan. It's still working without problems in my Briggs & Stratton-engined mower[1] and generator[2].
I accept that mowers and generators may be less demanding of their fuel than a motor vehicle. Unfortunately our household vehicle fleet is all diesel, so I can't comment on that aspect.
[1] Clearly I've been mowing the lawn much less than I should.
[2] The generator is a cheap Chinese two-stroke, is kept in case of power outages, and gets run for 30 minutes twice a year.