https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/emergency-preparedness/ (https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/emergency-preparedness/)
A good starting point for newbies with recommendations on common gear that is almost universally accepted as important basic supplies. I don't agree with all their recommendations, but some solid gear choices in there.
Also contains embedded links for CERT training, pulling together a go-bag, bug out bags, ARC first aid training, family food stock up plan, etc. Good, basic information on preparedness.
QuoteFEMA (https://www.ready.gov/water) recommends that you keep a three-day supply of water on hand—a gallon per person per day. That's generally enough to cover drinking water and basic hygiene needs. But after speaking with a half-dozen disaster-preparedness experts, we think the three-day recommendation is unreasonably modest. Scientists fear that a massive rupture along the San Andreas Fault could damage the aqueducts and pipelines that deliver water to Southern California, and that repairs could take anywhere from weeks to six months or longer (PDF) (https://www.wrd.org/sites/pr/files/TB12_Summer_2007_The_Big_One.pdf). We've seen that floods and hurricanes like Katrina and Sandy can cause massive utility disruptions and contamination of municipal water supplies. Given those risks, as well as the relative ease of storing water, we think that stockpiling a 10- to 14-day supply is a reasonable goal, especially if you live in an earthquake zone. The best way to be sure you have an adequate and easily transportable water supply is to get some dedicated containers (https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/emergency-preparedness/#water-storage).
The FEMA recommendation is the bare minimum with the expectation that Red Cross generally makes it to a disaster site by that point. I like that this article references actual events that show why it's better to keep more on hand and not have to rely on whether Red Cross can show up or not.
I sometimes consider how things differ where I am now to when we were on the farm. It doesn't take much to get people shooting each other in my current area. I want to be able to lock down for an extended period and not have to go out looking for resources if evacuation isn't feasible or optional. Additionally, there is a higher percentage of concentrated low-income clusters here where a lot of people probably don't have the resources to prep, so I'd rather my family be self-sufficient so those more in need get first access to limited emergency resources regardless of the overall safety of venturing out.
I keep several gallons in the house and have a pile of Water Bricks in the shed as well as purification tablets in case any of that water goes funky. We also have a distiller, so if the tap water is still running but not safe to drink, we can boil and distill it. That's a last resort, though, as distilling is a lot of energy for a little return.
Btw, those Auquatainers, I like to add one to my grocery order from time to time kind of like I do canning jars (I shop at Walmart). It's just part of the groceries and doesn't feel like a big separate purchase, plus Walmart often has it for the cheapest price I can find anyway. I also get a gallon or two of distilled water to tuck various places throughout the house (but only when it's cheap). You buy a little here and there and eventually you find yourself well-covered for an event.
When I'm canning and the canner has some room in it, I add jars of filtered water to fill the space. Pressure canned water is sterilized and suitable for drinking in already rationed amounts and can add up over time and have an almost indefinite shelf life if stored properly, plus the canner works most efficiently when full. Maximize energy use, build emergency water supply.
When you store the water in the 7 gallon Aquatainer do you add anything to it like 14 drops of bleach, etc? And how long do you store it before rotating out.
Do you put tap water in it or filtered water?
For those with water softeners, which is just a filter, do you filter your drinking water a second time?
Is the stored water stored in climate control or in the environment.
Funny when I saw the title I thought they may be reviewing wire cutters. :icon_crazy:
IMO it is always good to have article on preps in the MSM.
BTW for the record I carry in my car a cheap Harbor Freight bolts cutters and a pry bar. I keep it with the spare tire.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 07, 2023, 09:31:19 AMWhen you store the water in the 7 gallon Aquatainer do you add anything to it like 14 drops of bleach, etc? And how long do you store it before rotating out.
Do you put tap water in it or filtered water?
For those with water softeners, which is just a filter, do you filter your drinking water a second time?
Is the stored water stored in climate control or in the environment.
We're on municipal water and I have a reverse osmosis filter system on my kitchen sink and that's what I fill water storage containers with. I don't know if I'm doing it right, but I just fill and forget it. I think about it every few years and sometimes will open and sniff a container, but it just smells like water, so I leave it. If I were to encounter one that smells funky, I would dump it and sanitize the container before refilling, but I haven't had that experience yet. I have the Water Straws, water purification tablets, and the distiller for just in case.
I also have a bunch of rain barrels, but after the report that PFAS are in rain globally, I only use that to water non-food plants. I'm thinking of getting a second reverse osmosis filter system that I can set up as a portable filter to hook my rain barrels for when I want to use that water for drinking or to water food plants.
A lot of my water is just in various rooms of my house, so climate controlled, but we also have a lot out in the shed that is not climate controlled. I figure if I encounter any of my water going funky, it will be the shed water, but I sniff it before I use it to be sure.
Quote from: Anianna on February 07, 2023, 02:20:26 PMWe're on municipal water and I have a reverse osmosis filter system on my kitchen sink and that's what I fill water storage containers with. I don't know if I'm doing it right, but I just fill and forget it. I think about it every few years and sometimes will open and sniff a container, but it just smells like water, so I leave it. If I were to encounter one that smells funky, I would dump it and sanitize the container before refilling, but I haven't had that experience yet. I have the Water Straws, water purification tablets, and the distiller for just in case.
I also have a bunch of rain barrels, but after the report that PFAS are in rain globally, I only use that to water non-food plants. I'm thinking of getting a second reverse osmosis filter system that I can set up as a portable filter to hook my rain barrels for when I want to use that water for drinking or to water food plants.
A lot of my water is just in various rooms of my house, so climate controlled, but we also have a lot out in the shed that is not climate controlled. I figure if I encounter any of my water going funky, it will be the shed water, but I sniff it before I use it to be sure.
That's pretty much the way we do it. But I don't have that model water container and for $20 I will try it, it looks stackable.
I have long term water storage and short term. The short term is a bunch of empty containers we fill straight from the tap immediately prior to anticipated events like hurricanes. And would use that short term water for hygiene and dishwashing etc. But we've never even had a boil water order after a hurricane in my AO.
Your PFAS info made me smile, 'cause literally isn't all food plants and livestock food plants grown with rain water or reclaimed water. Maybe an indoor hydroponics facility isn't? I don't think you'd have to worry about it. What doesn't kill us makes us
stronger dumber.
I've thought of setting up the runoff rainwater barrels but there are so many birds and squirrels shitting on my roof and I've cleaned out my disgusting gutters so many times that I don't think I'd want that as a permanent setup. And there was this episode of 'House' that featured pigeon shit in the drinking water and the brain disease from the amoebas. And that girl from Signs too. :greenguy: I'll just filter my pool water and drink that, and I know a racoon sometimes shits in my pool. That bastard! Psychological aversion. But I do have all the stuff to setup a sand and pebble and charcoal bucket filter system off the gutters if it comes to that. Hopefully I run out of ammo before I have to drink my gutter water.
I have straws and a manual pump filter and lakes and a canal and a pool. You should definitely invest in the higher volume manual filter pumps if you have a good watersource like barrels or a lake or stream. And the funds, good ones are >$100
I also have a sprinkler well for my sprinker system that I can set up a 240v genny on, I'll have to just connect an extra dryer cord I have to the pump motor and plug that into the genny. [its a little more than that but essentially that] I got that Idea from the book Lights Out.
My PAW watersupply.
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Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 07, 2023, 04:04:32 PMYour PFAS info made me smile, 'cause literally isn't all food plants and livestock food plants grown with rain water or reclaimed water. Maybe an indoor hydroponics facility isn't? I don't think you'd have to worry about it. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger dumber.
Yea, most of the food you can buy is going to be problematic from several standpoints including this one and there is no certification, at least as of now, that you can use to maybe try to avoid PFAS in food (like, you can avoid weed killer used on oats to some extent by buying certified organic and kosher oats, but the PFAS are going to be there regardless).
For me, it's about mitigating exposure. Sometimes what really matters is the dose.
I actually am working on hydroponic and aeroponic projects. I expect to get an aeroponic tower for indoor food crops within the next year, not only for self-sufficiency, but also for some greater control over the quality of our food (plus, I have some medical conditions that keep me mostly indoors, so I don't get to garden much anymore otherwise). Also, painting the flowers (hand pollinating) can be very therapeutic, which I learned from test growing tomatoes hydroponically indoors recently.
Alot of excellent info here.
I need to work on this more. I have usgi 5 gal water containers. For home and bug out.
We can't drink the tap water here. So we've had both delivery and bought from the store directly. I am considering a fill your own bottles machine at our local riteaid.
The more i handle water containers. The more I see value in 3 gal jugs. Carrying 5 gal water containers is not ideal. 3 gallons is much more doable. Thinking about stackable 3 gallon jugs. For home use. And can easily be transitioned to bug out use.
Also would be interested in a sort of intermediate gravity system. For use with sawyer high load count filters. Like a large campsite system. So you could filter say 2 or 3 gallons at a time. That would be usable at home and on the road. I've seen a few dramadary(sp?) bags. Maybe 2 gallon. But not 3 or larger.
Our location does not seem like a good long term bug in location. So I tend to consider preps more on short term bug in and things we can travel with.
Anyone have the rundown on water purification chemicals? Like in order of best to worst? I've read pool shock, non scented liquid bleach, purification tablets, iodine tablets etc etc. I wonder if a chart or list exists with cost, effectiveness and taste?
I keep extra propane tanks. And two barbecues. One with a side burner that could be used for boiling. But that has to be a terrible energy to result ratio.
WaterBricks are 3.5 gallon and very stackable. I agree that the smaller containers are so much easier to handle. They are a bit more expensive than a lot of other options, though (one WaterBrick holds 3.5 gallons for about the same cost as the Aquatainer that holds 7 gallons). Personally, I think they are worth it, especially since they feel sturdier than a lot of containers and are sold by an organization heavy in humanitarian work.
https://www.waterbrick.org/product-category/waterbrick/
I can't move the Auquatainers by myself. They stay where they get put. I can move the WaterBricks around and I could shove several in the back of my van pretty quickly if needed.
ETA: It looks like WaterBrick now also has food bricks that fit with their water containers. Awesome!
Quote from: Moab on February 09, 2023, 05:01:37 PMI keep extra propane tanks. And two barbecues. One with a side burner that could be used for boiling. But that has to be a terrible energy to result ratio.
I used the side burner of an outdoor barbecue to operate my canner when our power went out while I was jarring a batch of chicken stock. I would have lost 8 quarts of stock otherwise.
Quote from: Anianna on February 09, 2023, 05:54:17 PMQuote from: Moab on February 09, 2023, 05:01:37 PMI keep extra propane tanks. And two barbecues. One with a side burner that could be used for boiling. But that has to be a terrible energy to result ratio.
I used the side burner of an outdoor barbecue to operate my canner when our power went out while I was jarring a batch of chicken stock. I would have lost 8 quarts of stock otherwise.
The ubiquitous propane bbq grill is a valuable home prep resource and should not be overlooked in an emergency. A second 15lb tank is a very modest investment and would be extremely handy in a crisis.
As would one of these if you have smaller propane devices to operate indoors, such as a Mr. Heater Buddy or a propane camping stove. Just make sure you have good ventilation!
https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Disposable-Throwaway-Connector-Appliance/dp/B01N2BD2XH (https://www.amazon.com/GASPRO-Disposable-Throwaway-Connector-Appliance/dp/B01N2BD2XH)
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The barbecue is very valuable.
I meant using it to boil water. Rather than using chemicals. I assume using propane to boil water would not be as economical as chemicals.
Those 7 gal Aquatainers are $20 at Walmart, but they also have a $17 6 gal Ozark Trail
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$0.02/gal difference. Otherwise this gives you a shape, weight and capacity option
Quote from: Anianna on February 09, 2023, 05:51:16 PMWaterBricks are 3.5 gallon and very stackable. I agree that the smaller containers are so much easier to handle. They are a bit more expensive than a lot of other options, though (one WaterBrick holds 3.5 gallons for about the same cost as the Aquatainer that holds 7 gallons). Personally, I think they are worth it, especially since they feel sturdier than a lot of containers and are sold by an organization heavy in humanitarian work.
https://www.waterbrick.org/product-category/waterbrick/
I can't move the Auquatainers by myself. They stay where they get put. I can move the WaterBricks around and I could shove several in the back of my van pretty quickly if needed.
ETA: It looks like WaterBrick now also has food bricks that fit with their water containers. Awesome!
This is very cool. Thank you. Much better use of space. And carriable by alot more people. These would fit in a closet or car much better. And the spouts are handy. I like this option.
If you look around a lot of times you can find bottled water in gallon jugs for about the same price as an empty 5 gallon container. Like these @ $12.99 each (with sealed with water in them). As long as they are stored properly the shelf life is easily 5 years or indefinate for nonpotable water uses. Then the container can be rinsed and refilled.
I also use exactly this container for for water storage. I keep them in a box and they are stackable. In this case $8.28 for 6 gallons in a heavy (not milkjug) plastic water jug you cannot go wrong.
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Geyser-Alpine-Spring-Water/dp/B004JKNZZY/ref=sr_1_30?crid=3ERZJJNKVNYEV&keywords=6+pack+of+water&qid=1676321955&s=grocery&sprefix=6+pack+of+water%2Cgrocery%2C94&sr=1-30
I have those five gallon and a few similar 1 gallon containers of water. Among other containers. I'm going to work on standardizing a more compact solution eventually. But testing all these variations is just getting me more non-matching water containers. :icon_crazy:
Quote from: Raptor on February 13, 2023, 03:02:01 PMI also use exactly this container for for water storage. I keep them in a box and they are stackable. In this case $8.28 for 6 gallons in a heavy (not milkjug) plastic water jug you cannot go wrong.
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Geyser-Alpine-Spring-Water/dp/B004JKNZZY/ref=sr_1_30?crid=3ERZJJNKVNYEV&keywords=6+pack+of+water&qid=1676321955&s=grocery&sprefix=6+pack+of+water%2Cgrocery%2C94&sr=1-30
Quote from: Raptor on February 13, 2023, 02:58:09 PMIf you look around a lot of times you can find bottled water in gallon jugs for about the same price as an empty 5 gallon container. Like these @ $12.99 each (with sealed with water in them). As long as they are stored properly the shelf life is easily 5 years or indefinate for nonpotable water uses. Then the container can be rinsed and refilled.
Some of those 5 gallon dispenser jugs have a recess in the bottom so they are stackable vertically. But mostly they can only be stacked on their side with some sort of system to keep them in place.
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@Anianna you don't have to fill jugs to the top if the weight is too much, but it kind of defeats the purpose not to.
Quote from: Raptor on February 13, 2023, 02:58:09 PMIf you look around a lot of times you can find bottled water in gallon jugs for about the same price as an empty 5 gallon container. Like these @ $12.99 each (with sealed with water in them). As long as they are stored properly the shelf life is easily 5 years or indefinate for nonpotable water uses. Then the container can be rinsed and refilled.
Does anyone make reusable caps for those?I have a water machine in town here. Its half the price of buying 3 gal jugs of drinking water at the grocery store. But I guess filling containers at the house and treating it with bleach or something is just as good?
I guess what I'm asking is what is the nest method for storing water long term? Considering cost of containers, taste quality, how easily they can be stored, and price of water, treatment and containers? I should add I don't really want to use containers larger than 3 gallon. As I like the option of everyone being able to move them easily. And I don't see a long term bug in here as as option.
If you were settled I would assume 50 gallon or larger plastic barrels would be the most economical?
IIRC you can reuse the plain caps that they come with.
I can't remember if the ones that have the one way valve can be reused.
On the 55 gal drums you have to get a drum pump to use vertically. Starting at ~$15 but that would probably break or be to exertive, so better off getting a quality one for more money
For cost efficiency and price comparisons figure out the cost per gallon, that way you can compare different capacities as apples to apples.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 13, 2023, 04:17:43 PMI have those five gallon and a few similar 1 gallon containers of water. Among other containers. I'm going to work on standardizing a more compact solution eventually. But testing all these variations is just getting me more non-matching water containers. :icon_crazy:
I am not pushing any of these options. I am just noting they are out there.
Quote from: Moab on February 13, 2023, 04:31:36 PMI have a water machine in town here. Its half the price of buying 3 gal jugs of drinking water at the grocery store. But I guess filling containers at the house and treating it with bleach or something is just as good?
Without a doubt hands down the cheapest way to get water for storage is to use tap water. In some cases there is enough chlorine in it so no additional chlorination is needed. The other thing to bear in mind is that water does not turn bad it simply gets contaminated. Tap water stored in bottles for instance may see algae growth in it. It can still be used as gray water and with simply boiling the water (or filtering it) it is still good potable water to use.
If you want to be proactive it does not take much bleach to treat tap water. Just remember to check the percentage of sodium hypochlorate in the bleach. DO NOT USE SCENTED BLEACH! Most but not all a 5.25%. Based upon the chart below if to get between 1 and 5 PPM (check the tap first, many municipalities dispense .5 to 1.5 ppm) you want to add .13fl oz per gallon.
There is a good link here.
https://www.cleanwaterstore.com/resource/how-to-guides/how-much-chlorine-to-add-to-storage-tank-to-kill-bacteria/
I have a few plastic food grade barrels but have never filled them up because of the weight and the difficulty of getting water out with a siphon. 50 gallons of water weighs over 400 lbs + the weight of the drum.
On final point to remember if you have a hot water tank you are constantly storing and replenishing 30 to 50 gallons of water.
Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2023, 11:34:00 AMQuote from: MacWa77ace on February 13, 2023, 04:17:43 PMI have those five gallon and a few similar 1 gallon containers of water. Among other containers. I'm going to work on standardizing a more compact solution eventually. But testing all these variations is just getting me more non-matching water containers. :icon_crazy:
I am not pushing any of these options. I am just noting they are out there.
Quote from: Moab on February 13, 2023, 04:31:36 PMI have a water machine in town here. Its half the price of buying 3 gal jugs of drinking water at the grocery store. But I guess filling containers at the house and treating it with bleach or something is just as good?
Without a doubt hands down the cheapest way to get water for storage is to use tap water. In some cases there is enough chlorine in it so no additional chlorination is needed. The other thing to bear in mind is that water does not turn bad it simply gets contaminated. Tap water stored in bottles for instance may see algae growth in it. It can still be used as gray water and with simply boiling the water (or filtering it) it is still good potable water to use.
If you want to be proactive it does not take much bleach to treat tap water. Just remember to check the percentage of sodium hypochlorate in the bleach. DO NOT USE SCENTED BLEACH! Most but not all a 5.25%. Based upon the chart below if to get between 1 and 5 PPM (check the tap first, many municipalities dispense .5 to 1.5 ppm) you want to add .13fl oz per gallon.
There is a good link here.
https://www.cleanwaterstore.com/resource/how-to-guides/how-much-chlorine-to-add-to-storage-tank-to-kill-bacteria/
I have a few plastic food grade barrels but have never filled them up because of the weight and the difficulty of getting water out with a siphon. 50 gallons of water weighs over 400 lbs + the weight of the drum.
On final point to remember if you have a water tank you are constantly storing and replenishing 30 to 50 gallons of water.
Awesome information, raptor.
(You need an avatar. Didn't you used to have one? I want to remember everything you've said to me. I remember your name of course. For many years. But avatars add a face of sorts to a name.)
I'm sure there is a ton of bleach in the water here in LA. But no one drinks it. Is that because its contaminated with other things?
I'll do some research. But this is the only place I've ever lived where you can't drink the tap water.
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 11:49:59 AMAwesome information, raptor.
(You need an avatar. Didn't you used to have one? I want to remember everything you've said to me. I remember your name of course. For many years. But avatars add a face of sorts to a name.)
I'm confused.
(https://ufozs.com/smf/custom_avatar/avatar_4_1623186303.jpeg) I'd recognize this guy in a crowd. Jet pack and scissors give him away. Even in a Covid mask.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on February 14, 2023, 01:02:47 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 11:49:59 AMAwesome information, raptor.
(You need an avatar. Didn't you used to have one? I want to remember everything you've said to me. I remember your name of course. For many years. But avatars add a face of sorts to a name.)
I'm confused.
(https://ufozs.com/smf/custom_avatar/avatar_4_1623186303.jpeg) I'd recognize this guy in a crowd. Jet pack and scissors give him away. Even in a Covid mask.
Yea, I see it. I wonder if anybody else can't or why Moab doesn't see it.
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 11:49:59 AMI'm sure there is a ton of bleach in the water here in LA. But no one drinks it. Is that because its contaminated with other things?
I'll do some research. But this is the only place I've ever lived where you can't drink the tap water.
Here is a hack to get a free water ph and chlorine test. Bring a sample to a pool supply place and ask them to test a sample when they do they will try to sell you some chemicals...just say no. Tip the person $5 if that makes you feel better about misrepresenting yourself.
Note this will not provide any information on contaminents just ph and chlorine level
That said IF you want chlorine that is a great place to buy some. A single 1 lb bag of shock will clean up a lot of drinking water @ 70% concentrated sodium hypochlorate.
DO NOT buy anything with algeacide or UV stabilizer. You just want concentrated sodium hypochlorate.
The odds are good that LA has a lot of chlorine and likely PFAS. That is something that can be filtered out and honestly if that is an issue it is something you may want address.
A simple pitcher filter for any potable waters will go a long way.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015N617CK/ref=vp_d_ac_sub_sp_pd?_encoding=UTF8&pf_rd_p=d72135a7-461a-408b-a4cd-c4991d6f7038&pf_rd_r=6BHZ4XJNVPE47DFA7ZNB&pd_rd_wg=mIDf3&pd_rd_i=B015N617CK&pd_rd_w=gTHVh&content-id=amzn1.sym.d72135a7-461a-408b-a4cd-c4991d6f7038&pd_rd_r=c2ffcf6f-34c5-4398-873a-0fde52f276f7&th=1
BTW do you see the avatar on this post? below is what I see.
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Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2023, 01:23:39 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 11:49:59 AMI'm sure there is a ton of bleach in the water here in LA. But no one drinks it. Is that because its contaminated with other things?
I'll do some research. But this is the only place I've ever lived where you can't drink the tap water.
Here is a hack to get a free water ph and chlorine test. Bring a sample to a pool supply place and ask them to test a sample when they do they will try to sell you some chemicals...just say no. Tip the person $5 if that makes you feel better about misrepresenting yourself.
Note this will not provide any information on contaminents just ph and chlorine level
That said IF you want chlorine that is a great place to buy some. A single 1 lb bag of shock will clean up a lot of drinking water @ 70% concentrated sodium hypochlorate.
DO NOT buy anything with algeacide or UV stabilizer. You just want concentrated sodium hypochlorate.
The odds are good that LA has a lot of chlorine and likely PFAS. That is something that can be filtered out and honestly if that is an issue it is something you may want address.
A simple pitcher filter for any potable waters will go a long way.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015N617CK/ref=vp_d_ac_sub_sp_pd?_encoding=UTF8&pf_rd_p=d72135a7-461a-408b-a4cd-c4991d6f7038&pf_rd_r=6BHZ4XJNVPE47DFA7ZNB&pd_rd_wg=mIDf3&pd_rd_i=B015N617CK&pd_rd_w=gTHVh&content-id=amzn1.sym.d72135a7-461a-408b-a4cd-c4991d6f7038&pd_rd_r=c2ffcf6f-34c5-4398-873a-0fde52f276f7&th=1
BTW do you see the avatar on this post? below is what I see.
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I'm such an idiot. How do I turn on seeing avatars? I don't see anyones! Lmao!
What are pfas? And how do I filter those or any other other contaminates? Chemicals included. I'm trying to figure out why no one drinks the water here if there's so much chlorine in it? My dogs drink it. But they eat cat shit too. Lol.
We had a pitcher filter for awhile. Trying to remember why we got rid of it? We switched back to water delivery. And now were back to buying it ourselves at the grocery store. I'll have to ask my wife about the pitcher.
Just setting water uncovered in the sunlight will eliminate any chlorine from the water pretty fast.
Quote from: nolimitpoolsWhat Does the Sun Do to Chlorine?
There are two types of chlorine present in the pool: free and combined. Free chlorine is a fraction of the chlorine used to shield the water from infection and bacteria. Free chlorine is lost when it comes in contact with sunlight. Free chlorine is also lost when bacteria reacts with it. Free chlorine is formed when the chlorine forms hypchlorite ions. The hypochlorite separates when UV light hits it. This turns the hypochlorite into gas, which is released into the air. [...]
Combined chlorine is the portion of chlorine that interacts with bacteria and algae. When there is too much combined chlorine in the pool, it may be a sign that your pool is getting too much sunlight. The sun makes the chlorine less active, and more foreign invaders are able to fester freely in the water. However, the free chlorine is what needs to be replaced when you re-chlorinate your pool. When your pool reaches less than one part per million, the pool is not safe for swimming. Re-chlorinate the pool.
Effect of UV on Chlorine
UV rays oxidize the chlorine in the water. This causes UV light chlorine degradation. [...]
Sunlight degrades chlorine to the point where it is not as active as it's supposed to be.
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 01:45:32 PMWhat are pfas? And how do I filter those or any other other contaminates? Chemicals included. I'm trying to figure out why no one drinks the water here if there's so much chlorine in it? My dogs drink it. But they eat cat shit too. Lol.
We had a pitcher filter for awhile. Trying to remember why we got rid of it? We switched back to water delivery. And now were back to buying it ourselves at the grocery store. I'll have to ask my wife about the pitcher.
There are several questions here:
https://www.epa.gov/pfas/pfas-explained
A Common Contaminant in municipal water supplies is THM.
https://waterfilterguru.com/trihalomethanes-in-water/
As for filtration look for NSF filtration standards. It is important to read the fine print on the filter.
https://www.nsf.org/consumer-resources/articles/standards-water-treatment-systems
NSF 42 is a taste filter and would filter THM but not PFAS.
NSF 53 typically is more robust. The spec sheet will specify what materials are filtered but typically it is lead and heavy metals.
NSF P473 will remove PFAS (and/or PFOA and PFOS) in water.
https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/list-of-household-filters-approved-for-certain-pfas-removal
An article about 12 cities with tap water issues.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cities-worst-tap-water-us-2019-3
The other thing to bear in mind ... bottled water is not always free of contamination. Many companies use un-filtered municipal water supplies to bottle water. So your bottled water may be someone else's tap water...or as in this meme...water Capture.JPG
Regarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2023, 02:24:21 PMRegarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Ah. Thats the issue then. Yes. I am on mobile and vertical.
I need an idiot guide. Lol. Like a little hover link on each profile name to show their top 5 posts or something.
I always remember a face. But rarely a name. So many of you I love so dearly. For so many years. But I rarely remember your most valuable contributions or who u are. Majorhavoc is the great writer. Mac your the gun guy. Brian is the firearms instructor right? Ghost is the guy that loves alice packs iirc. Ronny is the designer sewer, frugal captain of the bunch. Nt2c is the wwii vet. Right? Didnt he serve in ship as a gunner in the navy? And the list goes on. Thats how I remember u guys. Lol.
I wish there was a better way. I guess I need to go on my desktop more often. Or learn to use my ohone horizontally. Ewe. Lol.
I used to change my avatar once in awhile. But then just stuck with the last one i used. For fear of confusing people.
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMNt2c is the wwii vet.
Wrong war; he is the WW 1 veteran. :clownshoes:
A mere youngster.
Me on the other hand I am from the Cretaceous era.
:slide:
Quote from: Raptor on February 14, 2023, 02:59:30 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMNt2c is the wwii vet.
Wrong war; he is the WW 1 veteran. :clownshoes:
A mere youngster.
Me on the other hand I am from the Cretaceous era.
:slide:
Lmao!!!
NT2C is a Vietnam vet, from what I remember. I don't remember if he actually saw combat or if he joined just before the war ended in 1975.
I do remember he's a Navy vet, though.
As for avatars, I used to change mine on the old boards every now and then, but then I found my current one (a chimpanzee holding a shotgun from the Trunk Monkey commercials) and I've been using that one ever since.
I've only had the two avatars. At ZS I had the asshole bunny. And when I joined here , Bigfoot giving the finger while riding the Loch Ness Monster. I'm easily amused :awesome:
NT2c added the text from the bunny pic above my bigfoot avatar :smiley_chinrub:
(https://pics.me.me/this-asshole-again-29-8163-31021580.png)
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2023, 02:24:21 PMRegarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Ah. Thats the issue then. Yes. I am on mobile and vertical.
I need an idiot guide. Lol. Like a little hover link on each profile name to show their top 5 posts or something.
I always remember a face. But rarely a name. So many of you I love so dearly. For so many years. But I rarely remember your most valuable contributions or who u are. Majorhavoc is the great writer. Mac your the gun guy. Brian is the firearms instructor right? Ghost is the guy that loves alice packs iirc. Ronny is the designer sewer, frugal captain of the bunch. Nt2c is the wwii vet. Right? Didnt he serve in ship as a gunner in the navy? And the list goes on. Thats how I remember u guys. Lol.
I wish there was a better way. I guess I need to go on my desktop more often. Or learn to use my ohone horizontally. Ewe. Lol.
I used to change my avatar once in awhile. But then just stuck with the last one i used. For fear of confusing people.
Is this dependent on which layout you're using? I see avatars on mobile on both my phone and tablet. I'm currently using the "Bend" theme.
Quote from: Anianna on February 14, 2023, 07:03:57 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2023, 02:24:21 PMRegarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Ah. Thats the issue then. Yes. I am on mobile and vertical.
I need an idiot guide. Lol. Like a little hover link on each profile name to show their top 5 posts or something.
I always remember a face. But rarely a name. So many of you I love so dearly. For so many years. But I rarely remember your most valuable contributions or who u are. Majorhavoc is the great writer. Mac your the gun guy. Brian is the firearms instructor right? Ghost is the guy that loves alice packs iirc. Ronny is the designer sewer, frugal captain of the bunch. Nt2c is the wwii vet. Right? Didnt he serve in ship as a gunner in the navy? And the list goes on. Thats how I remember u guys. Lol.
I wish there was a better way. I guess I need to go on my desktop more often. Or learn to use my ohone horizontally. Ewe. Lol.
I used to change my avatar once in awhile. But then just stuck with the last one i used. For fear of confusing people.
Is this dependent on which layout you're using? I see avatars on mobile on both my phone and tablet. I'm currently using the "Bend" theme.
Let me try that.
Quote from: Anianna on February 14, 2023, 07:03:57 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2023, 02:24:21 PMRegarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Ah. Thats the issue then. Yes. I am on mobile and vertical.
I need an idiot guide. Lol. Like a little hover link on each profile name to show their top 5 posts or something.
I always remember a face. But rarely a name. So many of you I love so dearly. For so many years. But I rarely remember your most valuable contributions or who u are. Majorhavoc is the great writer. Mac your the gun guy. Brian is the firearms instructor right? Ghost is the guy that loves alice packs iirc. Ronny is the designer sewer, frugal captain of the bunch. Nt2c is the wwii vet. Right? Didnt he serve in ship as a gunner in the navy? And the list goes on. Thats how I remember u guys. Lol.
I wish there was a better way. I guess I need to go on my desktop more often. Or learn to use my ohone horizontally. Ewe. Lol.
I used to change my avatar once in awhile. But then just stuck with the last one i used. For fear of confusing people.
Is this dependent on which layout you're using? I see avatars on mobile on both my phone and tablet. I'm currently using the "Bend" theme.
I just tried them all. Non of them work right on my Samsung android. The dark one did show avatars but they are so far off to the left you can't see them. Sticking with default.
Quote from: flybynight on February 14, 2023, 06:12:59 PMI've only had the two avatars. At ZS I had the asshole bunny. And when I joined here , Bigfoot giving the finger while riding the Loch Ness Monster. I'm easily amused :awesome:
NT2c added the text from the bunny pic above my bigfoot avatar :smiley_chinrub:
(https://pics.me.me/this-asshole-again-29-8163-31021580.png)
I'm surprised he didn't add that to mine! Lmao!
Quote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 07:31:35 PMQuote from: Anianna on February 14, 2023, 07:03:57 PMQuote from: Moab on February 14, 2023, 02:54:28 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on February 14, 2023, 02:24:21 PMRegarding avatars, are you viewing the forums on mobile and are you viewing them with your phone held vertically or horizontally, Moab ?
If your phone is oriented vertically, avatars won't show up, but if it's horizontal then they will.
Ah. Thats the issue then. Yes. I am on mobile and vertical.
I need an idiot guide. Lol. Like a little hover link on each profile name to show their top 5 posts or something.
I always remember a face. But rarely a name. So many of you I love so dearly. For so many years. But I rarely remember your most valuable contributions or who u are. Majorhavoc is the great writer. Mac your the gun guy. Brian is the firearms instructor right? Ghost is the guy that loves alice packs iirc. Ronny is the designer sewer, frugal captain of the bunch. Nt2c is the wwii vet. Right? Didnt he serve in ship as a gunner in the navy? And the list goes on. Thats how I remember u guys. Lol.
I wish there was a better way. I guess I need to go on my desktop more often. Or learn to use my ohone horizontally. Ewe. Lol.
I used to change my avatar once in awhile. But then just stuck with the last one i used. For fear of confusing people.
Is this dependent on which layout you're using? I see avatars on mobile on both my phone and tablet. I'm currently using the "Bend" theme.
I just tried them all. Non of them work right on my Samsung android. The dark one did show avatars but they are so far off to the left you can't see them. Sticking with default.
I have the Galaxy 10 Note. Maybe it's model specific. So odd. I'm sorry you have to miss my beautiful tiger bunny.
My husband had an actual stuffed tiger bunny made for me a few years ago since I'd been using this avatar since the original ad came out. Pretty sure I was the first person to ever scan it and upload it to the internet. I still have the magazine page around here somewhere, too.
I mostly use PC for UFoZS, and when viewing on iPhone I never really noticed the avatars aren't there, guess I'm just picturing the 'faces' in my head. But when I turn the phone horizontal the avatars are there. :smiley_hearteyes:
This site has some good info on water storage,
https://deq.utah.gov/drinking-water/emergency-water-storage
I use liquid laundry detergent in the biggest jugs I can find. Clean them out as best as possible when empty, fill them with water for all the "other" water needs, washing dishes, bathing, flushing the toilet, etc.