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Working on a GHB and vehicle survival kit. Must all fit into my very tiny Jeep security trunk...

https://imgur.com/a/GqVTQXf

Most of this I have. Most will fit into a 29L LAPG school backpack.

https://imgur.com/a/aMABk5p

Some of the larger items are marked, that I'm leaving loose in the trunk. And not in the backpack. The backpack cannot be full. Or it won't fit in the trunk. Like semi full is ok though. And there is still room left in the trunk for other items. But soace is very limited.

I have not laid this out or put it in the backpack to see the volume. And if it will fit. So we'll see.

TASK:

This would be a GHB for Los Angeles. I rarely travel more than 3-5 miles from home. Most of these items are for my GHB in the LAPG backpack. But a small amount is just general vehicle survival items. Like for when traveling or bugging out. Like the e tool or the vehicle fluids obviouly aren't going in the backpack.

As my Jeep has a soft top. I only have two secure areas. One is this trunk. And the other is a normal sized metal security glovebox.

Very interested in what I am missing, what things could pull double duty, and what strategies and tactics I might be ignoring.

GHB ITEMS IN BACKPACK:

Boots (in trunk - not in pack) (I would change into these no matter what.)
Columbia hiking clothes shirt and pants, packs very small.
Thin baselayer too and top.
40* mss sleeping bag
Wool socks
Leather gloves
Tshirt and shorts
Prescription sunglasses
Fleece cap
Cheap Tarp 10x10
2 mountain house meals
1 roll toilet paper
Sawyer mini water filter and smart water bottles. One for drinking one for dirty water. All water in LA has to be filtered.
Space blanket
Shemagh
100ft of paracord
Baofeng radio
Cheap head lamp
AA flashlight.
Hand sanitizer
Lip balm
Zip ties
11" Crowbar
Small FAK
Spoon
Fire kit
Leatherman 300
Full tang knife
Cell power bank
Batteries
Important docs and pubs on phone. About 6gb worth.
Adapters and cables. Ac, dc(battery bank and 12v car battery adapter) and car power.
Poncho usgi
Small Fishing kit (Not sure I really need this. But some 59lb braid and a few #2 hooks could be used for other things. Takes up no space or weight.)
Aluminum cookpot or mug
10pk - Trader Joe's Black Mango Tea
Crystal lite fruit punch or poweder energy drink Celsius.
Instant coffee
Splenda
Dried creamer
Fancy Feast alcohol stove.
Alcohol bottle
Pad of paper waterproof
Sharpie and/or tactical pen
Handcuff key
Duct tape
Tiny Bottle camp soap Dr. Bronners

ITEMS IN TRUNK. NOT IN BACKPACK. TO BE LEFT IN VEHCILE IN A GET HOME SCENARIO. AND MORE VEHICLE SURVIVAL TYPE ITEMS. REPAIR ETC:

Oil & radiator fluid (in trunk - not in pack)
Small Canvas mechanics bag with a set of sockets and other basic tools. (Nothing expensive. As it would be one time use and I don't want to care if it gets ripped off.) (in trunk - not in pack)
Bivy Sack (in trunk - not in pack)
3600 cal food bar X2 (in trunk - not in pack)
5 gal water bladder. Under backseat. (in trunk - not in pack)
Candles (in trunk - not in pack)
E tool (in trunk - not in pack)
Inverter (in trunk - not in pack)
AM/FM crank weather radio (small, cheap got it as a gift.)(in trunk - not in pack)
UK goretex rain jacket. (in trunk - not in pack) (Just cause I have it. But kind of more expensive than I'd want ripped off. So idk. Still debating this.)
Sven saw (in trunk - not in pack) just cause I have it extra. And if I ever take a trip. Fits easily. Expensive. But I'm not sure a theif would even know what it is.

TP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

One other thought since this kit will always be in your car: swap the alcohol bottle for dry gas. Basically the same thing but can do double duty.

Looks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FhssAAOSw6JJe3yU9%2Fs-l300.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d898bf19393fa37e53024a0b15abdb7e0eeedbc347b7f0eb91529d4b933d775&ipo=images)

I live in Maine and always have a couple of gallons of water in my car.  FWIW, I just make sure I leave a little room in the water containers for expansion as it freezes (it doesn't have to be much) and have never had a problem with spillage.

I'd double up the important docs and pubs on the phone with a copy either on a thumb drive kept on your keyring, or on a micro SD tucked away in the GHB, maybe even both.  If you have two-factor authentication setup on some of your accounts it's usually done to an app on the phone.  But if you lose/break the phone...  I have that setup but I also have access using one of my Yubico keys, one of which is on my regular keyring.

Thumb drive I most often use (https://a.co/2eOTvcO)

Also these (https://a.co/gKvapcb)

Yubico key on keyring (https://a.co/235oVKm)

Kept hidden in with my meds (https://a.co/areYcnR)

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 09:56:08 AMI live in Maine and always have a couple of gallons of water in my car.  FWIW, I just make sure I leave a little room in the water containers for expansion as it freezes (it doesn't have to be much) and have never had a problem with spillage.

It's been my experience that a couple of 16-ounce water bottles inside a gallon ziplock freezer bag are pretty leakproof, even if they freeze.  In my old utility truck I used to carry several cases of bottled water (and in our pickup) year-round.  Never had one leak yet and some are on their second decade.  Not sure I'd actually want to drink one, given what may have leeched in from the plastic bottle, but for use on a cloth for cooling or for flushing out a wound they're good enough.

I'd pack the rest that is not in the backpack in another bag so you can pull it out at once should you need to. Something like a shopping bag or cheap thin duffle would be enough.
I'd also reduce most of the things. A 5 mile hike should be doable in a day or two. The list sounds like a lovely camping weekend.

What I'd add instead (maybe I simply skipped it) are a car jack, advance warning triangle, car first aid kit and warning vest in case you need to work / walk next to a road.

Quote from: tirls on January 19, 2023, 01:45:55 PMwarning vest in case you need to work / walk next to a road.

I endorse this (and would happily send you one from my stock of them that I give out to night or early morning joggers dressed all in dark outfits) but bear in mind that "target fixation" is a real and dangerous thing when wearing high-viz around moving vehicles, particularly with impaired drivers.

I keep a supply of cheap ($1.50) disposable high-viz vests in all of our vehicles in case of need by us, other motorists, unthinking joggers, etc.  I also keep at least one really good one in there for myself but that's another story.  (one even lights up in glowing green at night)

QuoteI have not laid this out or put it in the backpack to see the volume. And if it will fit. So we'll see.

I would do this first before placing in vehicle. If it doesn't all fit , Get a bigger bag to half fill

Add to list  map of southern CA and maybe map of  state. Also this. .( If it was on list  Sorry just didn't see it)
(https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/1WJT1_AS01)
ETA I also carry in my vehicle a folding bolt cutter

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Pxn1dKfHL.jpg)

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

One other thought since this kit will always be in your car: swap the alcohol bottle for dry gas. Basically the same thing but can do double duty.

TP is on the list. 

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FhssAAOSw6JJe3yU9%2Fs-l300.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d898bf19393fa37e53024a0b15abdb7e0eeedbc347b7f0eb91529d4b933d775&ipo=images)

Good idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation? 

Water is a good one. I have a 5 gal bladder for under the back seat. And I would store the Smart Water bottles with fresh water in them.

Have you actually tried to wipe your ass with those pills? lol. Serious.

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 09:56:08 AMI live in Maine and always have a couple of gallons of water in my car.  FWIW, I just make sure I leave a little room in the water containers for expansion as it freezes (it doesn't have to be much) and have never had a problem with spillage.

5 gal bladder under seat. And water bottles filled. I don't have to worry about freezing here in socal,

Quote from: NT2C on January 19, 2023, 10:19:16 AMI'd double up the important docs and pubs on the phone with a copy either on a thumb drive kept on your keyring, or on a micro SD tucked away in the GHB, maybe even both.  If you have two-factor authentication setup on some of your accounts it's usually done to an app on the phone.  But if you lose/break the phone...  I have that setup but I also have access using one of my Yubico keys, one of which is on my regular keyring.

Thumb drive I most often use (https://a.co/2eOTvcO)

Also these (https://a.co/gKvapcb)

Yubico key on keyring (https://a.co/235oVKm)

Kept hidden in with my meds (https://a.co/areYcnR)

I don't understand what these keys do. I do have all my important docs and pubs backed up on thumbdrive.

Quote from: NT2C on January 19, 2023, 10:24:16 AM

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 09:56:08 AMI live in Maine and always have a couple of gallons of water in my car.  FWIW, I just make sure I leave a little room in the water containers for expansion as it freezes (it doesn't have to be much) and have never had a problem with spillage.

It's been my experience that a couple of 16-ounce water bottles inside a gallon ziplock freezer bag are pretty leakproof, even if they freeze.  In my old utility truck I used to carry several cases of bottled water (and in our pickup) year-round.  Never had one leak yet and some are on their second decade.  Not sure I'd actually want to drink one, given what may have leeched in from the plastic bottle, but for use on a cloth for cooling or for flushing out a wound they're good enough.

I have one of these under my back seat. I can't fill it all the way or it won't fit. But I'd say 60 to 70 percent. And my Smart Water bottle.

Swiss Military Surplus Water Bladder, 20 Liter, New - 663106, Canteens & Hydration at Sportsman's Guide (sportsmansguide.com) (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/swiss-military-surplus-water-bladder-20-liter-new?a=2083471&szc=000&clrc=000&pm2d=cse-spg-15-pla&utm_medium=pla&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=ci&gclid=cj0kcqia8aoebhcwarisanrfrqesnvuth_uourzlesfyfpet3eg5irfri1rpr0o3cvidnwxzfvvrvh4aave4ealw_wcb)

Quote from: tirls on January 19, 2023, 01:45:55 PMI'd pack the rest that is not in the backpack in another bag so you can pull it out at once should you need to. Something like a shopping bag or cheap thin duffle would be enough.
I'd also reduce most of the things. A 5 mile hike should be doable in a day or two. The list sounds like a lovely camping weekend.

What I'd add instead (maybe I simply skipped it) are a car jack, advance warning triangle, car first aid kit and warning vest in case you need to work / walk next to a road.

I agree on the one to two day idea. I don't recall anything that should be omitted that is large enough to take advantage of ditching though. Please let me know if you see anything. Most of the items I have like 5+ days of are things like tea, food items - all super small lightweight stuff. Note that alot of list is marked as things in the car not in the backpack. Meaning they would stay with the car. And not be carried. They are mostly things I would use in a vehicle emergency rather than a get home scenario.

I can add a bag to put all the car only stuff in. But if I bag it it won't fit in the small trunk of my Jeep. Good idea though. I will put some misc bag in there. 

I have a car jack. It's a great one that comes with every Jeep Wrangler. And fits snuggly under the front seat. But I wouldn't mind adding a better bottle jack. Agree on the emergency orange items too. Maybe flares or glow sticks. I was broke down on a corner of the 5 freeway one time. In the middle of no where with just penlight. It was scary. Good call.

Quote from: flybynight on January 19, 2023, 06:21:48 PM

QuoteI have not laid this out or put it in the backpack to see the volume. And if it will fit. So we'll see.

I would do this first before placing in vehicle. If it doesn't all fit , Get a bigger bag to half fill

Add to list  map of southern CA and maybe map of  state. Also this. .( If it was on list  Sorry just didn't see it)
(https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/1WJT1_AS01)
ETA I also carry in my vehicle a folding bolt cutter

I have maps and a Silcock key. I forgot out those. Adding to list. I even have a map of LA sewers. lol.

I'm not sure a bigger bag would make any difference. I would just need to cull items from bag. Between car stuff and backpack stuff that size bag is about all I can fit in the security trunk. 

Quote from: flybynight on January 19, 2023, 06:26:30 PM(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Pxn1dKfHL.jpg)

I have a large bolt cutters. But I'd probably opt for a cheap harbor freight small set. Where did you find the above? Looks awesome!

I don't know if I would pack the tarp in the backpack. As it would need to be a cheap one. Which means bulky. And just about anything below 10x10 is a waste imho. I'm 6'3" and wind pushes rain sideways under tarps pretty easy. I might have a hf tarp in the trunk now. I'll have to check its size and pack the backpack and see where I'm at.

I might consider the poncho enough. Even tho it's alot smaller than 10x10. I have a small volume 10x10 tarp but it was $80 maybe? Not sure I want to leave that in the trunk. It's a standard key to open the back tailgate/trunk. So anyone could punch it with a screwdriver and hammer.

I wonder what the volume of 10x10 of Tyvek is? Anyone have any other suggestions for a lower volume, cheap, tarp material?

Or I could just take the mss bivy. But thats pretty bulky too. The size of a small tent.

Or just say screw all the rain cover. It rains here but a low number of days during the year. I guess I could decide at the time of departure whether I need the tarp or not. In a get home scenario.

EDIT: Modified list to separate items being left in vehicle. And items I would take with me in backpack in the get home scenario.

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: NT2C on January 19, 2023, 10:19:16 AMI'd double up the important docs and pubs on the phone with a copy either on a thumb drive kept on your keyring, or on a micro SD tucked away in the GHB, maybe even both.  If you have two-factor authentication setup on some of your accounts it's usually done to an app on the phone.  But if you lose/break the phone...  I have that setup but I also have access using one of my Yubico keys, one of which is on my regular keyring.

Thumb drive I most often use (https://a.co/2eOTvcO)

Also these (https://a.co/gKvapcb)

Yubico key on keyring (https://a.co/235oVKm)

Kept hidden in with my meds (https://a.co/areYcnR)

I don't understand what these keys do. I do have all my important docs and pubs backed up on thumbdrive.

The keys are used in conjunction with two-factor authentication.  For example, if I want to access my Google account it's going to first ask for my email address and PW, then it's going to want to verify a second ID, which can be a security code from an app running on my phone, or for me to insert this key in a USB slot and touch the lighted center when told to.  The key has a unique encrypted code on it that has to match the one Google has for me.  It makes it harder for my account to be hacked and compromised.

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:59:28 PM

Quote from: flybynight on January 19, 2023, 06:26:30 PM(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81Pxn1dKfHL.jpg)

I have a large bolt cutters. But I'd probably opt for a cheap harbor freight small set. Where did you find the above? Looks awesome!

I just grabbed an image. But the ones I have are just like those , but black and green. And yes ,came from harbor freight.

ETA went to get link off HF. Not there.  So I probably got them from Menards.
https://www.menards.com/main/tools/hand-tools/shears-snips-bolt-cutters/masterforce-reg-18-compact-bolt-cutters/65236/p-1470102152876-c-1550852385007.htm?tid=-2340315587606517014&ipos=1

Lowe's and probably home Depot carry them also. Around thirtyish

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FhssAAOSw6JJe3yU9%2Fs-l300.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d898bf19393fa37e53024a0b15abdb7e0eeedbc347b7f0eb91529d4b933d775&ipo=images)

Good idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

Water is a good one. I have a 5 gal bladder for under the back seat. And I would store the Smart Water bottles with fresh water in them.

Have you actually tried to wipe your ass with those pills? lol. Serious.

The best way I can describe them is they are dry compressed baby wipes without the perfume or lotion. Just add water to activate, it will feel so good you'll be wiping just for practice. Better than TP cause won't rip. And they can also be used as washcloths, rags, bandages, etc.

They are 8x10" expanded.

Pro Tip: add water to 2-3 and open them BEFORE you go, and fold in half to use, or use the 'crumple' technique.

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FhssAAOSw6JJe3yU9%2Fs-l300.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d898bf19393fa37e53024a0b15abdb7e0eeedbc347b7f0eb91529d4b933d775&ipo=images)

Good idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

Water is a good one. I have a 5 gal bladder for under the back seat. And I would store the Smart Water bottles with fresh water in them.

Have you actually tried to wipe your ass with those pills? lol. Serious.

The best way I can describe them is they are dry compressed baby wipes without the perfume or lotion. Just add water to activate, it will feel so good you'll be wiping just for practice. Better than TP cause won't rip. And they can also be used as washcloths, rags, bandages, etc.

They are 8x10" expanded.

Pro Tip: add water to 2-3 and open them BEFORE you go, and fold in half to use, or use the 'crumple' technique.

Where'd u buy them? Is it like literally a drop of water?

You should do a write up on these. A roll of tp is hella huge!

I was trying to count the number of drops when I opened that one last night, but its more like a teaspoon of water.

You can order them on Amazon. Last time I bought some it was like 100 for $10.

I store them in Altoids tins, Prescription bottles, and ziploks.

(https://i.imgur.com/d3sOOa2.jpg?1)

I keep the flat ziplok of them in my Squad FAK. You can't really see it in this photo but its one of the edges on the right side near the top. For wound cleaning instead of gauze in some circumstances.

(https://i.imgur.com/rJa63hM.jpg?1)

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 09:52:44 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FhssAAOSw6JJe3yU9%2Fs-l300.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0d898bf19393fa37e53024a0b15abdb7e0eeedbc347b7f0eb91529d4b933d775&ipo=images)

Good idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

Water is a good one. I have a 5 gal bladder for under the back seat. And I would store the Smart Water bottles with fresh water in them.

Have you actually tried to wipe your ass with those pills? lol. Serious.

The best way I can describe them is they are dry compressed baby wipes without the perfume or lotion. Just add water to activate, it will feel so good you'll be wiping just for practice. Better than TP cause won't rip. And they can also be used as washcloths, rags, bandages, etc.

They are 8x10" expanded.

Pro Tip: add water to 2-3 and open them BEFORE you go, and fold in half to use, or use the 'crumple' technique.

Where'd u buy them? Is it like literally a drop of water?

You should do a write up on these. A roll of tp is hella huge!

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 20, 2023, 08:05:37 AM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 09:52:44 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:00:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 19, 2023, 09:45:10 AMLooks like you have some VERK stuff there. Oil and mechanics kit. You should add to that, if you don't already have them, a tire plug kit and a mini tire inflation kit. Saved my ass so many times having those in my car.

I'd also add drinking water, at least 2 liters or 1 gallon. And separately, a hydration bag/backpack to transfer the water to if you have to abandon the vehicle and hike it. [I have no advice on how to deal with it freezing in winter on you, I don't have to deal with that here]

Quote from: majorhavoc on January 19, 2023, 07:57:01 AMTP. Don't leave home without it.  :icon_crazy:

I keep compressed cloths instead of TP. Those serve many roles, way more than double duty. But you need to add a drop of water.
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Good idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

Water is a good one. I have a 5 gal bladder for under the back seat. And I would store the Smart Water bottles with fresh water in them.

Have you actually tried to wipe your ass with those pills? lol. Serious.

The best way I can describe them is they are dry compressed baby wipes without the perfume or lotion. Just add water to activate, it will feel so good you'll be wiping just for practice. Better than TP cause won't rip. And they can also be used as washcloths, rags, bandages, etc.

They are 8x10" expanded.

Pro Tip: add water to 2-3 and open them BEFORE you go, and fold in half to use, or use the 'crumple' technique.

Where'd u buy them? Is it like literally a drop of water?

You should do a write up on these. A roll of tp is hella huge!

Maybe I'll upgrade to wetwipes. Lmao. 

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PMGood idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

I forgot to give my $0.02 on this one.

The aerosol and the tire plug kits both work for punctures in the tread due to nails and screws and the tire still has to be intact and on the rim for them to work.

The tire plug kit, will repair the hole and you're done. If you did it right it will last for the life of the tire.

The aerosol will get you rolling again, so you can get to a place where you can have someone else plug your tire for you.

I forgot to mention in addition to the plug kit and mini tire inflator, you should have a flat head screwdriver, Phillips head, and needle nose pliers to remove whatever was stuck in your tire before plugging it with the tire plug kit.

YMMV

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 20, 2023, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PMGood idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

I forgot to give my $0.02 on this one.

The aerosol and the tire plug kits both work for punctures in the tread due to nails and screws and the tire still has to be intact and on the rim for them to work.

The tire plug kit, will repair the hole and you're done. If you did it right it will last for the life of the tire.

The aerosol will get you rolling again, so you can get to a place where you can have someone else plug your tire for you.

I forgot to mention in addition to the plug kit and mini tire inflator, you should have a flat head screwdriver, Phillips head, and needle nose pliers to remove whatever was stuck in your tire before plugging it with the tire plug kit.

YMMV

I was not awake when I wrote that. I also forgot the aerosol when dried and lumped up in your tire can cause out of balance issues. Its more of an emergency item. I think a good flat kit and an electric airpump like your recommending is a much better option.

My only concern at this point is finding a small one. My Jeep is quickly filling up with emergency stuff. And secure space is very limited 

Quote from: Moab on January 20, 2023, 08:32:03 PM...an electric airpump like your recommending is a much better option.

My only concern at this point is finding a small one. My Jeep is quickly filling up with emergency stuff. And secure space is very limited

Why not add one and a small tank somewhere mounted to the vehicle and then just need a hose for airing up?  Also comes in handy after you've aired down to run on snow or sand.

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: tirls on January 19, 2023, 01:45:55 PMI'd pack the rest that is not in the backpack in another bag so you can pull it out at once should you need to. Something like a shopping bag or cheap thin duffle would be enough.
I'd also reduce most of the things. A 5 mile hike should be doable in a day or two. The list sounds like a lovely camping weekend.

What I'd add instead (maybe I simply skipped it) are a car jack, advance warning triangle, car first aid kit and warning vest in case you need to work / walk next to a road.

I agree on the one to two day idea. I don't recall anything that should be omitted that is large enough to take advantage of ditching though. Please let me know if you see anything. Most of the items I have like 5+ days of are things like tea, food items - all super small lightweight stuff. Note that alot of list is marked as things in the car not in the backpack. Meaning they would stay with the car. And not be carried. They are mostly things I would use in a vehicle emergency rather than a get home scenario.

I can add a bag to put all the car only stuff in. But if I bag it it won't fit in the small trunk of my Jeep. Good idea though. I will put some misc bag in there.

I have a car jack. It's a great one that comes with every Jeep Wrangler. And fits snuggly under the front seat. But I wouldn't mind adding a better bottle jack. Agree on the emergency orange items too. Maybe flares or glow sticks. I was broke down on a corner of the 5 freeway one time. In the middle of no where with just penlight. It was scary. Good call.

I would never skip raingear (well, maybe in the Namib), it can get ugly really quickly if it does.
Consider however what you write regarding rain I'd probably go with a water-resistant but not waterproof bivy and a ponchotarp for cover. Those bivies come in bellow 250g, a lightweight waterproof that can be used without tarp should not weight more than around 650 either however.

GHB ITEMS IN BACKPACK:

• Clothing
  
  • Boots (in trunk )
  • Wool socks
  • Columbia hiking shirt and pants
  • Thin baselayer too and top
  • Tshirt and shorts
  • Fleece cap
  • Shemagh
  • Leather gloves
  • Prescription sunglasses
  • depending on the night temperatures maybe add a thin compatible jacket

Unless you wear clothes you can't walk in there is no need to have all these extra items. It's only a couple of hours. I'd take one long sleeved shirt for sun protection, You can wrap your shemagh turban style against sun and cold. Otherwise good shoes are enough.

• Shelter / Sleeping
  
  • Poncho usgi
  • Cheap Tarp 10x10 you already have a poncho
  • 40* mss sleeping bag
• sustenance
  
  • 2 mountain house meals; maybe replace them with some energy bars
  • Sawyer mini water filter and smart water bottles
  • Spoon
  • Aluminum cookpot / mug
  • 10pk - Trader Joe's Black Mango Tea
  • Crystal lite fruit punch or poweder energy drink Celsius.
  • Instant coffee
  • Splenda
  • Dried creamer
  • Fancy Feast alcohol stove
  • Alcohol bottle

• Hygiene
  
  • 1 roll some sheets of toilet paper
  • Hand sanitizer
  • Lip balm
  • Tiny Bottle camp soap Dr. Bronners
  • Toothbrush?
• Electronics
  
  • Baofeng radio
  • Cheap head lamp / AA flashlight; only one, you have your phone and candles as backup
  • Cell power bank; small for one phone charge
  • Batteries
  • Adapters and cables. Ac, dc(battery bank and 12v car battery adapter) and car power; adapters and cables for the car can go in the trunk, leaving only an usb cord for the backpack
• Miscellaneous
  
  • Small FAK, Space blanket
  • 100ft of paracord; you won't need 100ft, something like mason's lacing cord would be lighter and smaller
  • Zip ties
  • Fire kit
  • 11" Crowbar
  • Leatherman 300
  • Full tang knife
  • Important docs and pubs on phone; be careful with this. Look into digital forensics, it's scary.
  • Small Fishing kit (Not sure I really need this. But some 59lb braid and a few #2 hooks could be used for other things. Takes up no space or weight.)
  • Pad of paper waterproof
  • Sharpie and/or tactical pen
  • Handcuff key
  • Duct tape; roll a couple of rounds on the sharpie

ITEMS IN TRUNK. TO BE LEFT IN VEHCILE IN A GET HOME SCENARIO. AND VEHICLE SURVIVAL TYPE ITEMS. REPAIR ETC:

• Oil & radiator fluid
• Small Canvas mechanics bag with a set of sockets and other basic tools.
• E tool
• Inverter unless you actually use it regularly
• Sven saw; just cause I have it extra. And if I ever take a trip. Fits easily. Expensive.
• AM/FM crank weather radio there's one in your bag and you have a phone
• 3600 cal food bar X2 you have food in your bag
• 5 gal water bladder. Under backseat.
• Candles
• UK goretex rain jacket. (Just cause I have it. But kind of more expensive than I'd want ripped off. So idk. Still debating this.)
• Bivy Sack; put it in the backpack, a packed bivy shouldn't be bigger than 2 oranges. If you have one of the old giant ones you can tape one together out of tyvek.

You could probably get rid of a lot more. Think about what you'd take for a 3 hour walk and add in some car repairs and safety stuff.

Quote from: NT2C on January 20, 2023, 08:37:25 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 20, 2023, 08:32:03 PM...an electric airpump like your recommending is a much better option.

My only concern at this point is finding a small one. My Jeep is quickly filling up with emergency stuff. And secure space is very limited

Why not add one and a small tank somewhere mounted to the vehicle and then just need a hose for airing up?  Also comes in handy after you've aired down to run on snow or sand.

Ya. Thats a whole onboard air system. Which is great. You can get it all to mount in the engine bay. I just don't have the budget for that. Alot of nice systems like that though. You end up with an air hose that will reach all four tires and your spare. 

There's a stock engine bay light off a certain 80s or 90s pickup truck. That you can buy used from a junkyard or on ebay. That gives you like a 15ft retractable cord with a light on the end. It wires directly where the stock Jeep engine bay light goes. Its inly like 10 bucks too.

I found the one below well rated on my Jeep forum. A bit more than I wanted to spend. But a good unit.

VIAIR 88P - 00088 Portable Compressor Kit with Alligator Clamps, Tire Inflator, Tire Air Pump, 12V, 120 PSI, for Up to 33 Inch Tires https://a.co/d/1wOMxeM

There are cheaper models of this brand. But this is for 33" tires. And I'm running 32.5".

But I'm gonna dig around more on amazon. Something smaller and cheaper with good reviews would be better. If I was offroading more I'd get a nicer one for airing up after airing down for sand, snow etc. But realistically this is just in case of a nail or screw puncture. 

tirls

Thank you so much. You really took some time analysing my list. And writing out your recommendations. I so appreciate this. My response is long. But I plan better when I write things out. And it helps to have others to bounce things off of. I really appreciate your response. :)

I guess saying I'm never more than 5 miles from my home is a bit of an underestimation. And is kind of reflected in my choice of gear. As I could get caught further away in a disaster. 

I do take my wife for dr appts about 10 miles from here. And if I were driving to buy something. Or look at something off offerup or craigslist. I could be very far away. Like a county or two. And counties out west here a big. 

I threw in the two sets of clothes that pack small. Because they take up very little room. And they cover basically two weather conditions here. Scorching hot in summer time. Tshirt and shorts. Or wet or cold in the winter. Hiking shirt and pants. Especially at night. So just having a pair of boots and a tshirt and shorts would be great in summer. 

I could ditch the tshirt in favor of the hiking shirt. Although a black tshirt could be considered better greyman if I had to travel through any bad neighborhoods. Rather than a hiking shirt. But definitely if I need to save space the tshirt could go. 

The shorts and hiking pants are thin lightweight nylon type material. REI hiking shirt and pants. I think they are called Sahara. A muted brown greenish color. 

The baselayers and fleece cap are the same. If I am stuck overnight they would help a great deal. Whether moving or not. Yes the shemagh could cover my head. But now I'm rethinking the shemagh as wearing it would look weird here. Great utility to it. But maybe a sole fleece cap would be better. I'm also bald so its a olace of great heat loss. Lol. 

A simple jacket like you mention is excellent advice. I have just the down jacket for the job too. I have an old hooded down jacket I got for 50 bucks at REI years ago. It wouldn't kill me if I lost it. And its still plenty warm. And packs down very small and light.

The reason I'm debating between the poncho and tarp is I'm 6'3". A usgi poncho doesnt really cover me when used as a tarp. It sucks actually. Especially if its rainy and windy. Which it often is this close to the ocean. But with the usgi bivy maybe its a mute point. Maybe with the bivy and the poncho it would be fine for a sleep system.

I could either ditch the tarp and rain jacket. Or ditch the rain jacket and just leave a cheap tarp in the Jeep. For if I'm ever stranded with the Jeep. And not for use in the ghb. I think thats what I'll do. I may even ditch it all excelot the bivy and one cheap, small, lightweight rain jacket. Then just use the bivy as my sole sleep system. I think if I wore a baselayer, hiking shirt and pants, the down jacket, and even rain jacket. I could stay warm and dry in just the bivy bag. That cuts alot of weight and size. The pincho is actually fairly bulky. 

I like the mountain house meals because they are super lightweight, I have them, and don't take up much room. Considering the calorie density. Its also a hot meal. 

Here's the deal. Its obviously very urban here. Most of my travels will have me in the east. As I live west near the ocean. East the city is not that great. If say rioting or looting started up it would be in those neighborhoods. Or spilling into the nice areas. Either way I could see a very protacted walk home. As I would have to avoid contact with people as much as possible. So taking my time and traveling at night. Might be the order of the day. So I could easily see an overnighter. Especially if the emergency made street travel difficult. Like say an earthquake.

I actually like the idea of "adding" protein bars. And more things I can eat while moving. I don't need that much tea for sure. But its a morale thing, a heat thing, and a caffeine thing. In a very small package. 

I would like the cheap aluminum cookpot. For boiling water, making tea and coffee, and cooking mh meals. Same idea behind instant coffee. Its very small. Like single serving packets. Morale and caffeine. And the alcohol stove is like tiny. Its a tiny 2 inch wide open can. And a tiny bottle of alcohol. 

I could go for less tp. I usually just smash a roll. But a half a roll would do. I agree. 

Toothbrush is a great idea. I actually have a cut off one and small thing of toothpaste in my fak. 

The headlamp and flashlight are just cheap items I happen to have. But ya. I could ditch one. I like the red light on my headlamp for looking at things at night. Maps and such. Which reminds me I have books and movies and stuff to do on my phone. Thought about an actual paoer book to pass time. But not necessary.

Cables an adapters are really just usb charging, a high watt car cig plug, and a 12v adapter like this that I can clip to any 12v source. Super small, super light weight. Just in case my battery bank ran out. I could get power off of any car battery. Its way smaller than the pic. And really cheap. 

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550 cord. Ya I could use bank line. But I have 550 laying around. I could short that to 50ft or less. Its really just to use on the poncho for tie downs when using it as a tarp. And misc uses. (Even though ive6kind of decided to ditch the tarp.) I do need some; cordage though. Either 550 or bankline. 

I think your right about the fulltang knife. I got it with the e tool and it has a firesteel in it. So I just threw both in the jeep. Its actually illegal to carry one that big here. So it should be left in the trunk. For a more remote emergency.

Important docs and publications. I used to use truecrypt alot. Can I not encrypt all my data? Or are police tools beyond that now? All my data is saved to the micro sd card in my phone. 

Fishing kit. I only added that because 50lb braided fishing line, even a hundred feet of it takes up the same space as maybe two bottle caps. And its very strong cordage. Can be used for many things including running a simple trip wire with cans for night time security. If I had to hide. The hooks are maybe a half inch across. I live less than a mile from the ocean. And I can catch fairly large fish at night. Not that I'm normally in that direction. But if things really went shit. And my house wasn't accessible I'd have a means of gathering food. 

Duct tape. I keep that wrapped around itself or on an old credit type card. Like the dud ones you get in the mail. Or around the sharpie is fine too. 

Inverter. You may be right about this. I may be stuck in my old ways of needing it to run my laptop. The only thing I could use it for is charging batteries in my battery bank charger. But actually I think thats usb too. So the usb cig adapter would work fine.

Sven saw. Its honestly to expensive to leave in the Jeep. And I don't need it unless I'm bugging out of the state. It can go in those bags.

Weather crank radio. Its a cheap one. I got it for xmas. Don't really know what to do with it. And I havent purchased the beofengs yet. I can leave it in the Jeep for now. And replace it with the ham handhelds later. There is a Tecson shortwave radio on Amazon that I plan to buy. Its $50 and is very very good at bringing in far away broadcasts. But its a bugout item. 

3600 calerie food bars. Again, just something I have laying around. With no real purpose. I really thought of it as a car only item. If I was traveling and got stuck or something. It would never go in my pack. As they are way to heavy. And a terrible food substitute when walking. I bought these long ago. Basically just big huge chunks of constipating biscuit. There true use is for lifeboats. They should stay that way.

UKGI GORETEX rain jacket. JUST ANOTHER EXTRA i have laying around. Agreed. Just use the poncho or a cheap rain jacket.

USGI Bivy. These are the only bivys I own. I like that they are bombproof. And i could actually use it alone as a sleep system. Rain or shine. If I have the room. And the backpack isn't overloaded I may just take it. But now you've got me thinking about tyvek again. I could carry a tyvek tarp no problem. Thin, light, takes up very little room. I could take the time to make a tyvek bivy. But not sure I'm that motivated. Its not that near the top of my to do list. I'm thinking bivy bag only. With maybe a 10x10 tyvek oiece as a tarp. But I'd need to see its volume. 

I just thought of contractor trash bags. We use costco lawn and garden trash bags. Which are pretty much the same thing. Great pack liner. And lots of other improvised uses. I will throw a couple of those in.

I need to gather all this and see if it fits in the pack and trunk.

Thank you so much again. Really helpful response. As you can see it led to alot of changes in my loadout. Really appreciate it. 

Quote from: Moab on January 21, 2023, 01:13:16 PM550 cord. Ya I could use bank line. But I have 550 laying around. I could short that to 50ft or less. Its really just to use on the poncho for tie downs when using it as a tarp. And misc uses. (Even though ive6kind of decided to ditch the tarp.) I do need some; cordage though. Either 550 or bankline.

I don't know if it would suit your purposes but this is what I use to stake down our inflatable yard decorations. (https://a.co/8KNuIdS)  Over 100' on a spool that will fit in the palm of your hand, 100# test, 30+ different colors.

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 20, 2023, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PMGood idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

I forgot to give my $0.02 on this one.

The aerosol and the tire plug kits both work for punctures in the tread due to nails and screws and the tire still has to be intact and on the rim for them to work.

The tire plug kit, will repair the hole and you're done. If you did it right it will last for the life of the tire.

The aerosol will get you rolling again, so you can get to a place where you can have someone else plug your tire for you.

I forgot to mention in addition to the plug kit and mini tire inflator, you should have a flat head screwdriver, Phillips head, and needle nose pliers to remove whatever was stuck in your tire before plugging it with the tire plug kit.

YMMV

I sometimes feel like a shrill for this youtube channel, but take a quick peek at Project Farm and his tests on Tire repair:

Quote from: SCBrian on January 21, 2023, 06:19:40 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 20, 2023, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PMGood idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

I forgot to give my $0.02 on this one.

The aerosol and the tire plug kits both work for punctures in the tread due to nails and screws and the tire still has to be intact and on the rim for them to work.

The tire plug kit, will repair the hole and you're done. If you did it right it will last for the life of the tire.

The aerosol will get you rolling again, so you can get to a place where you can have someone else plug your tire for you.

I forgot to mention in addition to the plug kit and mini tire inflator, you should have a flat head screwdriver, Phillips head, and needle nose pliers to remove whatever was stuck in your tire before plugging it with the tire plug kit.

YMMV

I sometimes feel like a shrill for this youtube channel, but take a quick peek at Project Farm and his tests on Tire repair:

We need to get him to partner with Grady over at Practical Engineering.  PF does the testing and the quick & dirty results, then PE does an in-depth analysis of why the results came out that way.

I'd watch the hell out of that.

Quote from: SCBrian on January 21, 2023, 06:19:40 PM

Quote from: MacWa77ace on January 20, 2023, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: Moab on January 19, 2023, 06:40:33 PMGood idea on the tire kit. I was just looking at those. Would aerosol tire fix cans be good enough for the tire inflation?

I forgot to give my $0.02 on this one.

The aerosol and the tire plug kits both work for punctures in the tread due to nails and screws and the tire still has to be intact and on the rim for them to work.

The tire plug kit, will repair the hole and you're done. If you did it right it will last for the life of the tire.

The aerosol will get you rolling again, so you can get to a place where you can have someone else plug your tire for you.

I forgot to mention in addition to the plug kit and mini tire inflator, you should have a flat head screwdriver, Phillips head, and needle nose pliers to remove whatever was stuck in your tire before plugging it with the tire plug kit.

YMMV

I sometimes feel like a shrill for this youtube channel, but take a quick peek at Project Farm and his tests on Tire repair:

Lol. This is so funny. I've been writing a thread on planning and keeping lists. And one of my examples is writing down the research you've done. Because I am always researching something for like two hours. Coming to a conclusion. And then 6 months later asking myself what my research told me. And I'm drawing a blank. Tire repair kits is one of them. Lol. And these videos were the definitive find. About which tire carrier was the best. I could not remember this to save my life. Thanks for posting them. :)

He did a great one on bedliner sprays. I used his recommendation for a bunch of stuff I painted on my Jeep.