This is some serious shit. Someone took out multiple power substations in NC. With gunfire. Countywide curfew 9pm to 5am. That sounds alot like martial law. Or the beginning stages.
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1599549467505528832?t=Nh7heutDr1WM6yXjaMKSEA&s=19
Quote from: Moab on December 04, 2022, 10:07:09 PMThis is some serious shit. Someone took out multiple power substations in NC. With gunfire. Countywide curfew 9pm to 5am. That sounds alot like martial law. Or the beginning stages.
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1599549467505528832?t=Nh7heutDr1WM6yXjaMKSEA&s=19
WTH?
Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on December 05, 2022, 02:02:49 AMQuote from: Moab on December 04, 2022, 10:07:09 PMThis is some serious shit. Someone took out multiple power substations in NC. With gunfire. Countywide curfew 9pm to 5am. That sounds alot like martial law. Or the beginning stages.
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1599549467505528832?t=Nh7heutDr1WM6yXjaMKSEA&s=19
WTH?
I know right? This is some Red Dawn shit. I couldn't believe it when I read it. But AP reported it too.
Yeah. I immediately started searching for verification since I'd heard nothing. (actual watching of regular news is starting to give me panic attacks) and I found that around the same period civilians dressed in war gear were proudly (sporting big grins to news camers) disrupting a couple of other places too.
1. That this has happened at all is terrifying.
2. That this could be my country men doing this to non combat civilians is breaking me which is now becoming as fragile as dried flowers.
2. Were this found to be foreign interference it would merely be terrifying.
I mentioned 10 or 12 years ago on the old forum that I could just about shut down a decent sized city's electricity infrastructure with a deer rifle and one box of boolitz....A mod admonished me for revealing such info. :icon_crazy:
We've had some large downline regulators and a few transfomers damaged by gun fire, but so far none of our substations have been attacked that way.
Quote from: RickOShea on December 05, 2022, 07:28:00 PMI mentioned 10 or 12 years ago on the old forum that I could just about shut down a decent sized city's electricity infrastructure with a deer rifle and one box of boolitz....A mod admonished me for revealing such info. :icon_crazy:
We've had some large downline regulators and a few transfomers damaged by gun fire, but so far none of our substations have been attacked that way.
I actually remember that. Whatever happened to Palliden Press? I'll bet they had a book on that. You know there is a special forces manual on that for sure.
Quote from: Moab on December 05, 2022, 07:56:44 PMQuote from: RickOShea on December 05, 2022, 07:28:00 PMI mentioned 10 or 12 years ago on the old forum that I could just about shut down a decent sized city's electricity infrastructure with a deer rifle and one box of boolitz....A mod admonished me for revealing such info. :icon_crazy:
We've had some large downline regulators and a few transfomers damaged by gun fire, but so far none of our substations have been attacked that way.
I actually remember that. Whatever happened to Palliden Press? I'll bet they had a book on that. You know there is a special forces manual on that for sure.
They actually went out of business back in 2018.
Apparently one of the founders died while on vacation in 2017 and the company decided to close soon after that.
Trying to avoid politics and stick to the facts as I know them:
A Proud Boys group was in Monroe to protest a scheduled drag (drag queens, not cars) show. There may have been others there, but Proud Boys are the ones I know for sure were there to protest the show.
A woman who I believe to be local to Monroe posed for selfies with the group of Proud Boys. When the power went out, she posted on social media that power was out and she knew why. She later posted that the police had interviewed her and she told them that the power being out was God's will and that God was punishing Monroe. Supposedly, there is also a picture of the local Sheriff happily posing with her, leading some to believe the investigation would be stymied by the local constabulary, but it's now in FBI hands.
The accusation I have seen is that the Proud Boys who showed up to "protect" Monroe from drag queens are the ones who shot at the power stations for the purpose of cutting power to the show. That, of course, is speculation without further evidence which I hope comes to light quickly.
Quote from: Anianna on December 05, 2022, 09:04:39 PMTrying to avoid politics and stick to the facts as I know them:
A Proud Boys group was in Monroe to protest a scheduled drag (drag queens, not cars) show. There may have been others there, but Proud Boys are the ones I know for sure were there to protest the show.
A woman who I believe to be local to Monroe posed for selfies with the group of Proud Boys. When the power went out, she posted on social media that power was out and she knew why. She later posted that the police had interviewed her and she told them that the power being out was God's will and that God was punishing Monroe. Supposedly, there is also a picture of the local Sheriff happily posing with her, leading some to believe the investigation would be stymied by the local constabulary, but it's now in FBI hands.
The accusation I have seen is that the Proud Boys who showed up to "protect" Monroe from drag queens are the ones who shot at the power stations for the purpose of cutting power to the show. That, of course, is speculation without further evidence which I hope comes to light quickly.
I've read similar rumors.
Not asking that anyone post it. As its most certainly not legal. But I would love to know more about the simple mechanics of this. And other types of these "procedures". I guess I'll consult old man internet.
Just as a security discussion these things fascinate me. In other directions as well. Like how could one take positive advantage of existing industrial and public operations in a paw. Like more advanced that a silcock key. Lol. I guess these are more underground discussions for a different place. But things like this and even as small as improvised weapons have always been fascinating to me.
I recently went into a rabbit hole of tools and techniques used by fire departments to force open doors. I was amazed at all there was on youtube. There are also several sites on improvised weapons. But it would be cool if there was a Palliden Press type site that listed all this stuff.
I remember back in the day when I was starting out as a private investigator. I learned so much from the Palliden press books i purchased.
First attack in NC, but not in US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
Quote from: wolf_from_wv on December 05, 2022, 10:08:15 PMFirst attack in NC, but not in US?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
Yes i was about to post just article. This type of attack is not common but has happened before. Not just in NC and CA but elsewhere.
https://www.cooperative.com/remagazine/articles/Pages/Transformer-Shootings-An-Alarming-Outbreak.aspx
Its weird because the LAPDs twitter acct has been announcing rewards for information about any damage to AT&T cables or facilities. As if it had been happening and thus the reward and request for information.
What worries me is the possibility/probability of copy-cat incidents.
Once something like this is seen as "successful", groups of *bad actors* or even just individuals with a grudge (or a screw loose) may see committing such an act as beneficial to their cause.
Besides various militia groups, there are climate protestors, eco-warrior types, even just people pissed off by their latest power bill, who may see such an incident as a legitimate way to express their anger.
I do hope power companies, etc., take steps to provide extra security or harden up what has now become targets to prevent future incidents.
Quote from: Lambykins on December 06, 2022, 07:09:28 AMBesides various militia groups, there are climate protestors, eco-warrior types, even just people pissed off by their latest power bill, who may see such an incident as a legitimate way to express their anger.
We had a guy take a chainsaw and cut down a dozen pine trees on one of our 3-phase circuits. It was in a rural part of our service area and only affected 200 or so customers. His reason? His wife kicked him out of the house so he decided to take away her air conditioning. :icon_crazy:
Quote from: RickOShea on December 06, 2022, 09:26:46 AMQuote from: Lambykins on December 06, 2022, 07:09:28 AMBesides various militia groups, there are climate protestors, eco-warrior types, even just people pissed off by their latest power bill, who may see such an incident as a legitimate way to express their anger.
We had a guy take a chainsaw and cut down a dozen pine trees on one of our 3-phase circuits. It was in a rural part of our service area and only affected 200 or so customers. His reason? His wife kicked him out of the house so he decided to take away her air conditioning. :icon_crazy:
Seriously you can buy one of these at HomeDepot for less than the cost gas for your chainsaw + labor, and only effect your wife's a/c and soap operas.
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But if you really want to get smart just pull the fuse out of the a/c units power supply. When you make up you won't have to spend a lot of money on repairs.
Good point but ...and while I am hesitant to call someone stupid... I suspect that the guy has bad luck with critical thinking.
Quote from: Raptor on December 06, 2022, 03:06:04 PMGood point but ...and while I am hesitant to call someone stupid... I suspect that the guy has bad luck with critical thinking.
LOL....IIRC, I think ole boy was trying to not violate a restraining order. :clownshoes:
Quote from: RickOShea on December 06, 2022, 03:15:53 PMQuote from: Raptor on December 06, 2022, 03:06:04 PMGood point but ...and while I am hesitant to call someone stupid... I suspect that the guy has bad luck with critical thinking.
LOL....IIRC, I think ole boy was trying to not violate a restraing order. :clownshoes:
A restraining order throws a completely different spin on that. Crash the pickup into the transformer pole/box. That happens here in my AO about once a week. I could never figure why on a cool, clear, windless day, the power goes out. It's all those restraining orders in their pickups.
Quote from: MacWa77ace on December 06, 2022, 04:16:25 PMQuote from: RickOShea on December 06, 2022, 03:15:53 PMQuote from: Raptor on December 06, 2022, 03:06:04 PMGood point but ...and while I am hesitant to call someone stupid... I suspect that the guy has bad luck with critical thinking.
LOL....IIRC, I think ole boy was trying to not violate a restraing order. :clownshoes:
A restraining order throws a completely different spin on that. Crash the pickup into the transformer pole/box. That happens here in my AO about once a week. I could never figure why on a cool, clear, windless day, the power goes out. It's all those restraining orders in their pickups.
In my AO, it's usually inattentive idiots driving into the poles and causing outages. Either they're texting while driving, drunk or just generally dumb.
Or some odd combination of the three.
We used to live about 300 or 400 meters from a full size powerline. It was massive. I remember climbing a small way up one of the towers. The entire thing was not protected. Just a big swath of trees and brush cut out of the forest. And a shitty dirt road. Iirc it was two rows of towers. I shot my first deer on that powerline. And about a mile down the powerline was a small gravel pit. Where we shot firearms for I guess 40 or 50 years. I learned to shoot there when I was 5 yrs old.
But then in maybe the 90s or early 2000s some knobs from the city moved about a mile away. And complained about it and got it shut down. It was a deep pit. No way you could hurt anyone. I ignored the signs and pit they dug in the road and sighted in my Mauser a few years ago.
I always wondered if this had anything to do with my grandparents cancer. They lived most of their lives closest to the powerline.
I've only run an actual sporting clays course once, and it had some of those big transmission lines running right through the middle of the course. You were actually firing toward the lines at many of the stations. I guess they figured that #7.5 / #8 would run out of juice before it got there, so there wasn't any actual danger to the power lines. Of course, if someone screwed up what load they were running...
And speaking of a lack of security around power facilities.
A few years back, a friend and I were driving up to northern Michigan and we decided to stop at some of the big wind turbines that had been installed in the mid-Michigan area (along US-127). No security whatsoever, not even gates or fences. We drove right up to one of them and got out to walk around. Man, those things are huge! We took a few pictures and then got back in the car and continued on our drive, but I always thought it was strange that anyone could just go right up to them like that.
You can drive up to the Alaska pipeline in many places. It's been shot a bunch of times but apparently the thick metal holds up pretty well. A drunk did manage to punch a hole in with a .338 about twenty years ago.
Quote from: EBuff75 on December 06, 2022, 08:27:04 PMI've only run an actual sporting clays course once, and it had some of those big transmission lines running right through the middle of the course. You were actually firing toward the lines at many of the stations. I guess they figured that #7.5 / #8 would run out of juice before it got there, so there wasn't any actual danger to the power lines. Of course, if someone screwed up what load they were running...
I've spliced a few "shotgun induced" broken wires in my day. But I'm talking about 7.2 kV to 14.4 kV distribution lines on 40 to 50 foot tall poles.....not the "big wire" on transmission lines.
Most of our overhead lines are ACSR (Aluminum Conductor, Steel Reinforced), so when Bubba & Tater are dove hunting and they shoot one off the powerline, the central steel strand tends to survive while a bunch of the outer aluminum strands break.
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I guess it's just too difficult to secure that much infrastraucture in any significant way. It's not like a fence will slow down a terrorist for very long... Wildlife and livestock having access probably helps in keeping vegetation down too, saving even more money.
I've just bought a small farm with a 66kv and a 24kv line running over it, could be interesting to look around a little. There is a small substation a few hundred meters away, and a small powerplant a couple of kilometers up the line. Luckily we have a different gun culture over here, so random things getting shot at (intentionally or not) is pretty rare.
IMHO, the best way to secure such widespread critical infrastructure is through what I'll call the Five R's:
- Redundancy - Elimination of single points of critical failure
- Resiliency - Additional capacity that can be drawn upon beyond peak loads
- Reinforcement - Moderate hardening of infrastructure against common modes of failure
- Rapid Response - Swift and appropriate response, be it a rapid law enforcement reaction to an attack, or coordinated military and/or FEMA action to restore local services temporarily while utility company teams work to repair damage.
@RickOShea Someone told me once that there is so much power bleed off near transformers/etc that you could 'pickup' free power from them. Is that true or just a myth?
I can't remember the procedure but it didn't involve a direct connection, of course.
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I guess you could wait until it got dark and then put an old incandescent light bulb right next to one of those pad mounted transformers, and see if the filament tries to glow. :awesome:
One problem most power companies do have is "stray voltage", or Neutral-to-Earth voltage. In some areas you can find 2 to 4 volts just about everywhere you test. Most people and animals don't notice the stray voltage until it gets up to around 8 to 10 volts.
In my area the most common stray voltage complaint we get is from small children feeling it when they get in or out of a below ground pool, and from dairy farms when the milk cows feel it when walking across the concrete floor of a dairy barn.....which can affect their milk production.
Myth confirmed. :awesome:
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Quote from: RickOShea on December 08, 2022, 12:14:56 PMI guess you could wait until it got dark and then put an old incandescent light bulb right next to one of those pad mounted transformers, and see if the filament tries to glow. :awesome:
I have done this with a fluorescent light tube under a big transmission line from a power generating station. But this not stray voltage per say but rather EMF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXhZvyGtMrk
Now in Washington state?
https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/power-grid-stations-washington-victim-recent-attacks/281-e230b98f-4041-4cfc-845a-da4cade0b1a8
Quote from: wolf_from_wv on December 08, 2022, 08:59:44 PMNow in Washington state?
https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/power-grid-stations-washington-victim-recent-attacks/281-e230b98f-4041-4cfc-845a-da4cade0b1a8
Well, damn. I follow some of the fringe stuff and I feel like there has been an uptick in calls for force with the specification that "force doesn't have to mean blood". Without further evidence, I can't say with any certainty that this is related, but I won't be surprised if we find out it's related.
Mostly unrelated, there has been a woman in Canada who insists that she is the one true ruler of Canada and calls herself the Queen of Canada. A while back, she declared some guy in Arizona who claims to be all powerful the King of America. He plans to install a world monarchy across the globe, controlled by him, of course, and these "monarchies" are being established via Telegram groups generally titled "The Kingdom of [country name]". He and the "Queen of Canada" are now quibbling. Perhaps surprisingly, this is the least weird thing going on in the fringe stuff I keep a bit of an eye on.
Quote from: Anianna on December 08, 2022, 09:58:55 PMHe and the "Queen of Canada" are now quibbling.
I guess I need to add "War with Canada" to my 2023 bingo card then. I would be proud to defend the kingdom against the barbarous politeness and poutine-eating ways of the northmen. :icon_crazy:
Quote from: Mr. E. Monkey on December 09, 2022, 08:34:49 AMI guess I need to add "War with Canada" to my 2023 bingo card then. I would be proud to defend the kingdom against the barbarous politeness and poutine-eating ways of the northmen. :icon_crazy:
LOL...
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We won already? I didn't even get to change into my killin' pants! :gonk:
I always said Canadians are to Americans as New Zealanders are to Australians. A less brash, all around nicer version of their louder, more obnoxious neighbors.
At least Canada has their cities. No one does cities better than Canada.
I'm surprised this isn't happening more in eastern WA. There are alot of secret militia guys in eastern WA and Idaho. I grew up in WA. And have met more than a few. Very racist. Very disturbed people. That really believe the world is ending. And are preparing for that in a very aggressive way. I would not want to settle in that area prior to a PAW or similar event. You'd be forced into a very far right, uber religious, conservative, controlled society. Pretty quickly. And/or drafted into a quasi military force to do the budding of whoever took control. I've met some scary oeople in eastern WA.
Quote from: Moab on December 09, 2022, 08:40:25 PMI'm surprised this isn't happening more in eastern WA. There are alot of secret militia guys in eastern WA and Idaho. I grew up in WA. And have met more than a few. Very racist. Very disturbed people. That really believe the world is ending. And are preparing for that in a very aggressive way. I would not want to settle in that area prior to a PAW or similar event. You'd be forced into a very far right, uber religious, conservative, controlled society. Pretty quickly. And/or drafted into a quasi military force to do the budding of whoever took control. I've met some scary oeople in eastern WA.
There's nuts everywhere
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-arrested-for-burning-dozens-of-american-flags-in-long-beach/ (https://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-arrested-for-burning-dozens-of-american-flags-in-long-beach/)
Quote from: Moab on December 09, 2022, 08:40:25 PMI'm surprised this isn't Quote from: Moab on December 09, 2022, 08:40:25 PMI'm surprised this isn't happening more in eastern WA. There are alot of secret militia guys in eastern WA and Idaho. I grew up in WA. And have met more than a few. Very racist. Very disturbed people. That really believe the world is ending. And are preparing for that in a very aggressive way. I would not want to settle in that area prior to a PAW or similar event. You'd be forced into a very far right, uber religious, conservative, controlled society. Pretty quickly. And/or drafted into a quasi military force to do the budding of whoever took control. I've met some scary oeople in eastern WA.
We have our crazies here in Western WA. An all ages Taproom that hosts a story time was shot up in Renton. So I'm expecting something like the NC thing to happen here in W WA. There's going to be a counter protest because the people trying to shut down the story time said they'd be armed and show up today (10Dec).
We'll see what happens. The police did put one of those blue light things with cameras in the parking lot, but didn't say they would be there because reasons.
I think people under estimate the widespread attitudes in eastern WA though. 3/4 of the state have been pushed out of the political discussion because of the liberal population density in the cities of western WA. Some of which I don't disagree with. Like gun control. Eastern WA and rural areas of western WA are very different from the Seattle/Tacoma area where all the pop density is. I have lived ling oeriods of time in both.
But there has been a movement in Eastern WA to secede from the rest of the state. If it was allowed to go forward I think eastern WA and northern Idaho would secede in an instant. Hell all of Idaho. And probably large parts of Oregon.
But eastern WA and Northern Idaho have been deeply racist and far right wing forever. I don't know if everyone recalls but the Aryan Nation was headquartered in northern Idaho. Decades ago. There are now 6 large white supremist groups in ID.
Not so funny story. But when I was an actor in Seattle. I was hired to appear at a national jewish youth camp (hired by the jewish youth camp that is.) to appear as a member of the Aryan nation from Idaho. As it was the one org of that type, well known at that time.
Ostensibly to help educate the jewish youth about white supremecy. Because it was at the time kind of a low point in white supremecy. Meaning you didnt hear alot about it on the news or in the papers. And they couldnt get a real white supremist to appear.
But basically it was to scare them. I gave a speech, had a very volatile q&a and then they revealed that I was just an actor. The teenagers were traumatized to be honest. It was creepy to say the least. I'm still not sure how I feel about it. But I desparately needed the $500. And most of the actors in my theater company in seattle saw it as a challenge. As I did. It was not an easy thing to pull off.
Everyone always knew Idaho was a hotbed of extremism. I grew up in central WA. Still considered eastern WA. And it was racist as hell. I dated the only black girl in town for awhile. We lived together. Our fathers worked together. And the racism was shocking.
But spending some time in the far eastern or south eastern sections close to Idaho is really shocking. Were talking white people that still use the nword in everyday conversation. And basically align with most of hitlers philosophies. I was actually scared visiting there about 10 years ago. I was raised in a native and white household. But I mostly look white. And I'm bald and have had a large goatee for most of my life. I'm also a big dude. 6'3" 250+. So people assume alot about me. And think its ok to just talk openly. For some reason. And in those environments I just let people run their mouths and show their true colors. Anyway I was shocked.
I think one thing that contributed to this historically. At least I know it did in the mountainous areas of WA. Is once logging ran out in the south. Alot of southern families moved from there to the PNW for jobs in the logging industry. Alot of people in my hometown in the mountains of western WA were from North Carolina. Most were wonderful people. But many still had very racist attitudes. My native grandmother, aunt and father all lived in this town. And experienced racism for decades.
Its a very strange time right now. Least of which is the privitization of utilities. That went from community related services that provided affordable power, water, sewage etc to the community. That now charge wage slave prices for those same services. This happened here in CA. You now have to pay one third to one half of rent just for power. What used to be $80 a month is now several hundred dollars a month. The gov and corps have been squeezing people for decades. With few wage increases. The frustration is real. And with so much corp miney in politics. Its difficult to change things around.
Not advocating violence. But its not just racism that brings these things about.
Quote from: Moab on December 10, 2022, 04:50:53 PMI think people under estimate the widespread attitudes in eastern WA though.
Oh I get it, I'm a white guy 6' 270lb even here on the western side the casual racism in conversation is quite shocking. My wife is half Vietnamese (white facing) and she gets it as well when out and this is the "liberal side".
Lots of modern hate groups have started in Portland and Seattle one is the reason is as you said these are the more left facing areas and there's a pushback against that. I mean even in my own neighborhood some guy casually drops the nword and how he hates the politics here and comes just to the point where he says he wants to do violence. And then says he loves that because his wife just gave birth he's taking full advantage of the 12 weeks gov paid paternity leave.
There's a lot of racists (and other phobias) here in the western side.
I personally always find the break away threats humorous. The tax base in those areas can't afford the most basic of services. One small country in central eastern WA gets 32k per child for schooling. Where the Seattle school district gets less than 5k, I actually think it's about 3400$ but I'm not sure exactly. That money all comes from the western side. With a fraction from the feds.
Anywho, I have a few friends that will be at the story time today and I hope it's peaceful. And no more transformers are shot up
Just left this page and saw this
https://www.yahoo.com/news/attacks-pacific-north-west-power-060055776.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/attacks-pacific-north-west-power-060055776.html)
The fact that folks are targeting these power stations doesn't seem all that new to me.
I remember growing up in the 90s and hearing about how certain groups would target infrastructure like this to prove a point.
Sometimes it was some radicalized environmentalists that wanted to knock out power stations to protest whatever they felt like and other times it was simply drunk morons who figured a power station would make a great target for their new gun.
Then you'd have the occasional drunk morons who'd climb the fence around a rural substation, try to climb the electrical boxes and end up getting fried beyond recognition.
Deliberately targeting power stations just seems like a dick move to me no matter the reasoning behind it. I don't care if you're protesting story time with Rupaul or Ted Nugent or trying to protest fossil fuel use, don't be a dick and knock out power for 40K + people because you want to be a judgemental asshat.
Quote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on December 10, 2022, 06:12:28 PMdon't be a dick
You're going too far there. This is a hard thing (heh heh) for many people to understand.
Quote from: Halfapint on December 10, 2022, 07:00:04 PMQuote from: 12_Gauge_Chimp on December 10, 2022, 06:12:28 PMdon't be a dick
You're going too far there. This is a hard thing (heh heh) for many people to understand.
Sadly, you're right, Halfapint.
There's a stupidly high amount of people in the world that are either incapable of understanding that or they just don't care.
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Western Washington University (WWU) now offers racially segregated dorms.
About two years ago several people were arrested for trying to sabotage rail lines most commonly used by oil trains to cause a derailment near that university. I think I posted about it in the old board.
I'm honestly surprised people haven't already shot up substations in my area. Just two(ish) years ago we watched over 100 days straight of arson and IED attacks on government buildings in Portland and Seattle.
Quote from: RoneKiln on December 21, 2022, 11:56:44 PMWestern Washington University (WWU) now offers racially segregated dorms.
About two years ago several people were arrested for trying to sabotage rail lines most commonly used by oil trains to cause a derailment near that university. I think I posted about it in the old board.
I'm honestly surprised people haven't already shot up substations in my area. Just two(ish) years ago we watched over 100 days straight of arson and IED attacks on government buildings in Portland and Seattle.
Yep. I remember.
My SIL's in-laws were without power this AM for their XMas breakfast. Seems someone attacked the substation.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/tacoma-power-says-2-substations-attacked-christmas-day/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TSA_122522192159+Tacoma+power+stations+'attacked'_12_25_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User
Could these jerks knock it off with attacking power stations ? :smiley_devil:
Quote from: Halfapint on December 25, 2022, 04:26:23 PMMy SIL's in-laws were without power this AM for their XMas breakfast. Seems someone attacked the substation.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/tacoma-power-says-2-substations-attacked-christmas-day/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TSA_122522192159+Tacoma+power+stations+'attacked'_12_25_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User
BTW the perps in this case did not shoot the power substation. They went in and physically attacked it. They wanted the power shut off for a burglary. It is a shame they did not try being a human circuit breaker.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2-arrested-power-substation-vandalism-washington-state-96128033
Quote from: Raptor on January 10, 2023, 10:25:39 AMBTW the perps in this case did not shoot the power substation. They went in and physically attacked it. They wanted the power shut off for a burglary. It is a shame they did not try being a human circuit breaker.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2-arrested-power-substation-vandalism-washington-state-96128033
According to the lady at the grocery store this is actually all the governments doing it's not actual people but government agents trying to create instability. So forget what you read and just blame da govmint
Shhh! They're listening! Those nano chips they put in the vaccine have microphones ...
Quote from: Raptor on January 10, 2023, 10:25:39 AMQuote from: Halfapint on December 25, 2022, 04:26:23 PMMy SIL's in-laws were without power this AM for their XMas breakfast. Seems someone attacked the substation.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/tacoma-power-says-2-substations-attacked-christmas-day/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TSA_122522192159+Tacoma+power+stations+'attacked'_12_25_2022&utm_term=Registered%20User
BTW the perps in this case did not shoot the power substation. They went in and physically attacked it. They wanted the power shut off for a burglary. It is a shame they did not try being a human circuit breaker.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2-arrested-power-substation-vandalism-washington-state-96128033
IDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Yeah, but I wonder why they took the photo in black and white?
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fqph.fs.quoracdn.net%2Fmain-qimg-73a6e14dc1eaa51ab5e635c11e2b2096&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=203ceea69e0a88cd0a35de517ce5c6505368a8c49fd0e2cf604b712157800e50&ipo=images)
Quote from: flybynight on January 11, 2023, 07:34:17 AMIDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Hold on, for real or did I miss a joke? That's a joke, right?
Quote from: Anianna on January 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PMQuote from: flybynight on January 11, 2023, 07:34:17 AMIDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Hold on, for real or did I miss a joke? That's a joke, right?
A joke on how the media calls anything fun an assault rifle even it was a bolt action or a shotgun.
So yes, a joke. But they did make bolt action shotguns as Mac posted
Quote from: Halfapint on January 11, 2023, 05:04:19 PMQuote from: Anianna on January 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PMQuote from: flybynight on January 11, 2023, 07:34:17 AMIDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Hold on, for real or did I miss a joke? That's a joke, right?
A joke on how the media calls anything fun an assault rifle even it was a bolt action or a shotgun.
So yes, a joke. But they did make bolt action shotguns as Mac posted
Savage still makes them.
Not as popular as they used to be, but they're still being made for some reason.
Quote from: Halfapint on January 11, 2023, 05:04:19 PMQuote from: Anianna on January 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PMQuote from: flybynight on January 11, 2023, 07:34:17 AMIDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Hold on, for real or did I miss a joke? That's a joke, right?
A joke on how the media calls anything fun an assault rifle even it was a bolt action or a shotgun.
So yes, a joke. But they did make bolt action shotguns as Mac posted
Don't mind me, I misread it from the start. It's been one of those days.
You know, something like this
(https://preview.redd.it/yqc5c5azlgc51.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=36565d7d8f2c6ed1f900c96bed5961956be446d3)
Quote from: majorhavoc on January 11, 2023, 06:25:56 PMYou know, something like this
(https://preview.redd.it/yqc5c5azlgc51.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=36565d7d8f2c6ed1f900c96bed5961956be446d3)
No chainsaw bayonet? Can you even
call that an assault fully semi-auto bolt action Bambi killing shotgun?
Quote from: NT2C on January 11, 2023, 06:37:18 PMQuote from: majorhavoc on January 11, 2023, 06:25:56 PMYou know, something like this
(https://preview.redd.it/yqc5c5azlgc51.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=36565d7d8f2c6ed1f900c96bed5961956be446d3)
No chainsaw bayonet? Can you even call that an assault fully semi-auto bolt action Bambi killing shotgun?
Well, it's got a Shockwave/TAC-14 style stock and a drum magazine. So at least we know it's completely practical. :icon_crazy:
You got a point about the chainsaw bayonet though. :smiley_chinrub:
Quote from: majorhavoc on January 11, 2023, 09:42:04 PMYou got a point about the chainsaw bayonet though. :smiley_chinrub:
Chainsaws are so 2021 now it's flamethrower under barrel attachments.
(https://exothermic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ubf_1000px.jpg)
Quote from: Halfapint on January 11, 2023, 10:31:44 PMQuote from: majorhavoc on January 11, 2023, 09:42:04 PMYou got a point about the chainsaw bayonet though. :smiley_chinrub:
Chainsaws are so 2021 now it's flamethrower under barrel attachments.
(https://exothermic.tech/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/ubf_1000px.jpg)
So, one-step "Kill & Grill"?
Quote from: NT2C on January 11, 2023, 11:16:04 PMSo, one-step "Kill & Grill"?
Can't argue with efficiently??
Quote from: Halfapint on January 11, 2023, 05:04:19 PMQuote from: Anianna on January 11, 2023, 04:38:11 PMQuote from: flybynight on January 11, 2023, 07:34:17 AMIDK. All the news reports showed their bolt action assault rifle shotguns WITH silencers
Hold on, for real or did I miss a joke? That's a joke, right?
A joke on how the media calls anything fun an assault rifle even it was a bolt action or a shotgun.
So yes, a joke. But they did make bolt action shotguns as Mac posted
Mine was a 'joke' too, regarding your 'lady at the grocery store' govt conspiracy, hired 'assets' post. Lee Harvey was a govt agent?! And 'supposedly' used a $35 Carcano M38, [its not a a shotgun] to fire that magic bullet. LOL
Quote from: Halfapint on January 11, 2023, 06:24:14 AMQuote from: Raptor on January 10, 2023, 10:25:39 AMBTW the perps in this case did not shoot the power substation. They went in and physically attacked it. They wanted the power shut off for a burglary. It is a shame they did not try being a human circuit breaker.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/2-arrested-power-substation-vandalism-washington-state-96128033
According to the lady at the grocery store this is actually all the governments doing it's not actual people but government agents trying to create instability. So forget what you read and just blame da govmint
Quote from: RoneKiln on December 21, 2022, 11:56:44 PMWestern Washington University (WWU) now offers racially segregated dorms.
About two years ago several people were arrested for trying to sabotage rail lines most commonly used by oil trains to cause a derailment near that university. I think I posted about it in the old board.
I'm honestly surprised people haven't already shot up substations in my area. Just two(ish) years ago we watched over 100 days straight of arson and IED attacks on government buildings in Portland and Seattle.
I read that the latest ones weren't shot. They were actually taken apart or destroyed. I don't know by what means.
Living in California I understand why. Back about 20 yrs ago or so. The financial industry lobbied to have utilities in CA to stop being public gov run. And to be privatized. The media released audio recordings of finance bros laughing about it. Laughing about grandmothers going hungry spending their last dime paying them for their power bill.
And it came very true. Our power bills are outrageous. We might spend over $400 a month just on power. And in old liberal California there are no renters rights. Like none. Its totally a landlord state. So we pay every utility. Gas, water, power, garbage, sewer. And they are all private institutions and very expensive. Water is over $100 a month. And you can't drink it. So you spend another $80-$90 for drinking water to be delivered.
The big corp financial institutions were behind it. And reap billions of dollars from the people. For what once was a "public" offering that we the people put in place for our own societies benefit. So we could have all those things at an affordable rate.
Corps are now running the american people into the ground. So I understand the motivation. But I have not read any treaties or reasons why these activists are doing this. If there are any I doubt they are being publicized.
Quote from: Moab on January 17, 2023, 12:03:42 PMQuote from: RoneKiln on December 21, 2022, 11:56:44 PMWestern Washington University (WWU) now offers racially segregated dorms.
About two years ago several people were arrested for trying to sabotage rail lines most commonly used by oil trains to cause a derailment near that university. I think I posted about it in the old board.
I'm honestly surprised people haven't already shot up substations in my area. Just two(ish) years ago we watched over 100 days straight of arson and IED attacks on government buildings in Portland and Seattle.
I read that the latest ones weren't shot. They were actually taken apart or destroyed. I don't know by what means.
Living in California I understand why. Back about 20 yrs ago or so. The financial industry lobbied to have utilities in CA to stop being public gov run. And to be privatized. The media released audio recordings of finance bros laughing about it. Laughing about grandmothers going hungry spending their last dime paying them for their power bill.
And it came very true. Our power bills are outrageous. We might spend over $400 a month just on power. And in old liberal California there are no renters rights. Like none. Its totally a landlord state. So we pay every utility. Gas, water, power, garbage, sewer. And they are all private institutions and very expensive. Water is over $100 a month. And you can't drink it. So you spend another $80-$90 for drinking water to be delivered.
The big corp financial institutions were behind it. And reap billions of dollars from the people. For what once was a "public" offering that we the people put in place for our own societies benefit. So we could have all those things at an affordable rate.
Corps are now running the american people into the ground. So I understand the motivation. But I have not read any treaties or reasons why these activists are doing this. If there are any I doubt they are being publicized.
Yup up here in WA we are told we have the cheapest power in the country... our power bill was over 525$. Granted that's mostly because the grandparents use electric heat, I keep telling them we can run the wood stove connected to the central heat. But they don't want to.
All paid to a for profit company that is suppose to provide a 100% needed commodity.
This is just making me more and more ready to start building my own power generation set up
Quote from: Halfapint on January 17, 2023, 01:29:50 PMThis is just making me more and more ready to start building my own power generation set up
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if enough people start doing this to make a significant dent in power company profits, things will quickly be changed.
Generating your own power will be made illegal, using safety as a pretext.
Whatever the reason behind the attacks on these substations, I think we can all agree that targeting them is a dick move by whoever did it.
High power bills is no reason to knock out power for hundreds of others just because one is pissed about it. Complain to the state or power company, but don't knock out power for everyone else because you're ticked off.
Maybe a question for Raptor, but I seem to have read somewhere that the giant oil filled substation (like what's getting attacked) transformers have very few replacements. Like maybe a dozen or less for an area. So if a coordinated attack on then were to happen it could be quite easy to knock out power for a long period.
Obviously this is not an endorsement but something to be aware of if there attacks continue.
Quote from: Halfapint on January 17, 2023, 04:23:39 PMMaybe a question for Raptor, but I seem to have read somewhere that the giant oil filled substation (like what's getting attacked) transformers have very few replacements. Like maybe a dozen or less for an area. So if a coordinated attack on then were to happen it could be quite easy to knock out power for a long period.
Obviously this is not an endorsement but something to be aware of if there attacks continue.
Grady covers this in the video.
Quote from: NT2C on January 17, 2023, 05:04:48 PMQuote from: Halfapint on January 17, 2023, 04:23:39 PMMaybe a question for Raptor, but I seem to have read somewhere that the giant oil filled substation (like what's getting attacked) transformers have very few replacements. Like maybe a dozen or less for an area. So if a coordinated attack on then were to happen it could be quite easy to knock out power for a long period.
Obviously this is not an endorsement but something to be aware of if there attacks continue.
Grady covers this in the video.
I never claimed to be smart, lol that's probably where I saw it
Quote from: Halfapint on January 17, 2023, 01:29:50 PMQuote from: Moab on January 17, 2023, 12:03:42 PMQuote from: RoneKiln on December 21, 2022, 11:56:44 PMWestern Washington University (WWU) now offers racially segregated dorms.
About two years ago several people were arrested for trying to sabotage rail lines most commonly used by oil trains to cause a derailment near that university. I think I posted about it in the old board.
I'm honestly surprised people haven't already shot up substations in my area. Just two(ish) years ago we watched over 100 days straight of arson and IED attacks on government buildings in Portland and Seattle.
I read that the latest ones weren't shot. They were actually taken apart or destroyed. I don't know by what means.
Living in California I understand why. Back about 20 yrs ago or so. The financial industry lobbied to have utilities in CA to stop being public gov run. And to be privatized. The media released audio recordings of finance bros laughing about it. Laughing about grandmothers going hungry spending their last dime paying them for their power bill.
And it came very true. Our power bills are outrageous. We might spend over $400 a month just on power. And in old liberal California there are no renters rights. Like none. Its totally a landlord state. So we pay every utility. Gas, water, power, garbage, sewer. And they are all private institutions and very expensive. Water is over $100 a month. And you can't drink it. So you spend another $80-$90 for drinking water to be delivered.
The big corp financial institutions were behind it. And reap billions of dollars from the people. For what once was a "public" offering that we the people put in place for our own societies benefit. So we could have all those things at an affordable rate.
Corps are now running the american people into the ground. So I understand the motivation. But I have not read any treaties or reasons why these activists are doing this. If there are any I doubt they are being publicized.
Yup up here in WA we are told we have the cheapest power in the country... our power bill was over 525$. Granted that's mostly because the grandparents use electric heat, I keep telling them we can run the wood stove connected to the central heat. But they don't want to.
All paid to a for profit company that is suppose to provide a 100% needed commodity.
This is just making me more and more ready to start building my own power generation set up
I was wondering about WA. My mother lives in Everett. But always talks about her bill being fairly low. But its a 2 bedroom condo. And I'm sure WA is split between different providers.
This is a good reason to set up offgrid power. I did hear about areas forbidding solar. Don't remember where. And of course firbidding rainwater collection. All bullshit.
I don't think complaining would work honestly. They work so hard to split us up on so many issues. And spend so much overwhelming money to campaign for corp profits. Its rare that the majority of the populace gets enough behind a soecific issue. There are so many. Not saying sabotage is the answer. But in some dark part of my mind I get it.