An overlooked piece of kit - the Sterno Inferno

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Moab

Looks like this is sold out everywhere.

Without going on a deep dive. Has anyone seen or read anything about an inexpensive alternative to the Sterno Inferno? Or is there a cheap Jet Boil alternative that could be used with an alcohol stove? 
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Moab

Maybe make a base for something like this? Or find an existing alcohol stive base)windscreen? 

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flybynight

Quote from: Moab on April 10, 2023, 01:40:17 PMLooks like this is sold out everywhere.

Without going on a deep dive. Has anyone seen or read anything about an inexpensive alternative to the Sterno Inferno? Or is there a cheap Jet Boil alternative that could be used with an alcohol stove?
How about a wood gas stove ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


https://youtu.be/iaf6bynPvhQ
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Moab

Quote from: flybynight on April 10, 2023, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: Moab on April 10, 2023, 01:40:17 PMLooks like this is sold out everywhere.

Without going on a deep dive. Has anyone seen or read anything about an inexpensive alternative to the Sterno Inferno? Or is there a cheap Jet Boil alternative that could be used with an alcohol stove?
How about a wood gas stove ?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


https://youtu.be/iaf6bynPvhQ
You mean to put an alcohol stove into? I think the multiplier here is the fins in the bottom of the pot. 
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Ever (Zombiepreparation)

Quote from: Moab on April 10, 2023, 02:03:47 PMMaybe make a base for something like this? Or find an existing alcohol stive base)windscreen?

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Just saw this stereo folding stove on Amazon for $20. Would it work? Amazon says there are only 9 left.

https://www.amazon.com/Sterno-70146-Outdoor-Folding-Stove/dp/B00OBA6X9M

Moab

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Anything to hold an alcohol stove would work. But probably something more enclosed would be more likely to bring about the venturi effect. Or whatever makes the alcohol stove flare up into a big flame like that. Probably just one of those typical alcohol stove pots that double as a windscreen/stand.

Those can be had cheap from just about any source. Or made even cheaper.

Its the finned bottomed pot that is the real tech part of the equation. Cheapest source on those I've found are in aliexpress. They appear to be making them stand alone. Without the jetboil bottom. So I assume they work with just about any heat source. The fins providing quicker heating to the bottom of the pot.

But when that guy in the above video put an alcohol stove where the sterno was supposed to go it heated even faster. As the enclosed space and air intake in the bottom unit made the alcohol stove flame much stronger and higher. But since the sterno enferno is not available. I thought if you could find a fin bottomed pot like above and a similar bottom container for an alcohol stove. You'd have the same thing.

Maybe something like this.

https://makezine.com/projects/wood-gas-camp-stove/

This is a wood-gas stove. The principle is with the right holes in the can and a second van inside, the upward air ventilation double burns the wood you out in it. And creates a very high hot flame. Like a rocket stove. I used to make these out of food cans and sell them. There are several plans online. But the above instructions are the best can and holes choice.

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If you made something similar and placed it under a fin bottomed pot I think you would have a similar or even better item than the sterno inferno.

It doesn't have to look that nice either. As ling as the cans fit the bottom of your finned pot your good to go.

They make stoves like these but without the inner can. I don't know how well they work. But looks very similar to the bottom stove holder on the sterno inferno.

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So if you put the above under the below. You'd have a sterno inferno. Assumimg the bottom mated with the pot correctly. And if you used an alcohol stive instead of sterno you'd get those better boil times like the guy in the above video.

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Both of those bottom stoves (the homemade or store bought) with an alcohol stove would allow you to heat or cook with any other type of pan, pot or cup as well. You wouldn't be limited to just the finned pot. So if you wanted to use a frying pan you could. Or just your canteen cup.

Likewise if you ran out of alcohol you could just use wood.
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tirls

I use an Evernew Ti DX stand. It's not very efficient and a bit fiddly in wood burning mode, but I can use wood, esbit, and alcohol with it. It fits inside my cocking pot for storage and only weighs 55g. Its enough for  boiling water at least.


Ever (Zombiepreparation)

drat and double drat.

Rereading this thread again. ('cause I just luv mine)

Checked Amazon for current prices. Wasn't able to find one at all.

Went to the internet to see where they might be if someone wanted one.

eBay only.

? May be discontinued now ?

Mine is an absolute treasure.  It's sad to think that might be the case because to think that anyone like me who will never again need anything more than a power outage or emergency evacuation cooker will never have the, and I mean it, 'joy' of comfort owning of this lovely little piece of emergency equipment.


If member ever spots one, other than on eBay, please do update this thread.

majorhavoc

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on January 12, 2024, 10:47:21 PMdrat and double drat.
Rereading this thread again. ('cause I just luv mine)
Checked Amazon for current prices. Wasn't able to find one at all.
Went to the internet to see where they might be if someone wanted one.
eBay only.
? May be discontinued now ?
Mine is an absolute treasure.  It's sad to think that might be the case because to think that anyone like me who will never again need anything more than a power outage or emergency evacuation cooker will never have the, and I mean it, 'joy' of comfort owning of this lovely little piece of emergency equipment.
If member ever spots one, other than on eBay, please do update this thread.
Specifically the Sterno Inferno?
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Ever (Zombiepreparation)

#29
Well, yes I guess. I'm sentimental for news about it's possible extinction, as in do I own one of last that was ever made?

HOWEVER, now that your question is asked....

I also see wisdom evolving the thread into...

...is there another company that has taken on the mantle of making a specifically sterno burning cooker setup almost just like it that people in my personal demographic could tuck away nicely in a kitchen cabinet for emergency outage, or grab it with a hand full of cans of stereo sitting in the under the sink cabinet and Go in an short term emergency evacuation.

What do you think?

majorhavoc

#30
Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on January 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PMWell, yes I guess. I'm sentimental for news about it's possible extinction, as in do I own one of last that was ever made?

HOWEVER, now that your question is asked....

I also see wisdom evolving the thread into...

...is there another company that has taken on the mantle of making a specifically sterno burning cooker setup almost just like it that people in my personal demographic could tuck away nicely in a kitchen cabinet for emergency outage, or grab it with a hand full of cans of stereo sitting in the under the sink cabinet and Go in an short term emergency evacuation.

What do you think?
I did a quick search on eBay and came up dry.  Also confirmed what you said about it being unavailable on Amazon.  I'll post if I find anything that looks promising on AliExpress.
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Moab

#31
Quote from: majorhavoc on January 13, 2024, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on January 13, 2024, 01:39:31 PMWell, yes I guess. I'm sentimental for news about it's possible extinction, as in do I own one of last that was ever made?

HOWEVER, now that your question is asked....

I also see wisdom evolving the thread into...

...is there another company that has taken on the mantle of making a specifically sterno burning cooker setup almost just like it that people in my personal demographic could tuck away nicely in a kitchen cabinet for emergency outage, or grab it with a hand full of cans of stereo sitting in the under the sink cabinet and Go in an short term emergency evacuation.

What do you think?
I did a quick search on eBay and came up dry.  Also confirmed what you said about it being unavailable on Amazon.  I'll post if I find anything that looks promising on AliExpress.
I'll check aliexpress too. I saved a couple kettles with thise fins.
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Moab

#32
I don't recall if anyone compared the temp of alcohol vs sterno. But any of these pots could be used with either. But a couple need a base for the sterno can or alcohol stove. But many options are available on aliexpress.

Basically the Sterno Inferno is a cook pot with a finned bottom. And a tall cylindrical base with vent holes top and bottom. Again, the base could hold either sterno or an alcohol stove.

This first one packs nice. But I think they all do.

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Below one works with propane and sterno or alcohol. But needs a base for the sterno/alcohol.

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Below needs a base as well.

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I'll look for bases.
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Moab

#33
I found the Sterno Inferno here. In stock $45. But not sure its a real site.

https://www.haikyr.shop/ProductDetail.aspx?iid=691070077&pr=44.88

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Here is an interesting possible base. Not sure it fits though. It would replace the red bottom. And hopefully mate with one of the pots in my previous post.

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Here's the measurements for the above bottom 5.11 inches. The red cookpot in previous post is 5.394 inches. Which makes the bottom about a quarter inch smaller than the red pot. Seems doable. Or you could maybe find a can that is 5.394 inches across. And simoly put your own holes in it.
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flybynight

Sterno Inferno has been discontinued online1. Sterno has no plans to re-activate this product1. The product stopped production about a year ago or so2. You will not be able to find Sterno Inferno at major retailers and stores with a good web presence such as Amazon, Moosejaw, and REI2. However, you can find them locally in smaller hardware stores, particularly if they do not ship items2.


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Ever (Zombiepreparation)

Thanks friend @flybynight

Goodbye you little Last of the Stereo Infernos. 😓
Daniel Day Lewis will play you in your movie.


Your 'thread will carry on'



Moab

Quote from: Ever (Zombiepreparation) on January 13, 2024, 04:07:04 PMThanks friend @flybynight

Goodbye you little Last of the Stereo Infernos. 😓
Daniel Day Lewis will play you in your movie.


Your 'thread will carry on'



I would do a saved search on ebay with notifications. One will come up eventually.

There are a few on google that show in stock. You could do a search of the sites to see if they are legit.
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majorhavoc

Quote from: Moab on January 13, 2024, 02:40:03 PMI don't recall if anyone compared the temp of alcohol vs sterno. But any of these pots could be used with either. But a couple need a base for the sterno can or alcohol stove. But many options are available on aliexpress.
Basically the Sterno Inferno is a cook pot with a finned bottom. And a tall cylindrical base with vent holes top and bottom. Again, the base could hold either sterno or an alcohol stove.
This first one packs nice. But I think they all do.
Check it out! $20.99 30%OFF | Alocs CW-S10 CWS1 Outdoor Heat Exchange Camping Cooking Pot Cookware Folding Handle For Hiking Backpacking Picnic https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqgTxhK
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Below one works with propane and sterno or alcohol. But needs a base for the sterno/alcohol.
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $36.50 25%OFF | Bulin Outdoor Camping Picnic Portable Gas Stove Pot Windproof Cooking System
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKEmHBq
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Below needs a base as well.
Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $20.71 25%OFF | Bulin 1.5/2.1l Outdoor Camping Traveling Hiking Heat Collection Pot Cooking Tableware
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrMik7S
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I'll look for bases.
The smaller of those two red ones is 5.4" in diameter.  A Sterno can is 3 3/8" diameter so it will easily nest in either size.  The critical piece that's missing is a stand to hold the pot at an efficient height above the lit Sterno can.  Preferably something to integrates snuggly with the heat-exchanger base of the cooking pot. 

Sterno probably stopped making the Inferno because there wasn't sufficient demand.  Most folks interested enough in a lightweight, packable cooking system are probably looking for something even more efficient, like isobutane or white gas. 


Seems like the Inferno wrung as much efficiency out of a Sterno gelled alcohol canister as possible.  Plus, there's a lot to be said for a product that you're familiar with and has served you well, as it has for Ever.  In an emergency, that's more important than an overly complicated device that might be theoretically more efficient, but harder to use. 
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12_Gauge_Chimp

I wonder how hard it'd be to make a homebrew version of the Sterno Inferno.

Also, another source might be thrift stores or garage sales. I find camping stuff all the time at the various thrift stores I shop at in Odessa (usually it's Ozark Trail tents and the like. Nothing super fancy or expensive.), so maybe that'd be an option for a used Sterno Inferno.

Moab

I don't know how much more efficient the finned pot over a non finned pot would be. But I'm sure someone has tested it.

As to the fit of the bottom to the pot. I don't know how much difference that might make. As long as its flat I would think you could still create enough of a draw to efficiently use sterno or alcohol. 

The one below - if you could find a can the same size as that internal lip around the fins - that would work.

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But this one below would be a tighter fit. If you could find a can the inside diameter of the outside diameter of the bottom of the pot. This one is expensive though. 

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