Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel

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wee drop o bush

This is a disturbing circumstance in an already disturbing crisis  :(
Dagestan: Mob storms Russian airport in search of Jews https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67258332
It would have been terrifying on that plane.
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Quote from: wee drop o bush on October 30, 2023, 01:11:56 PMThis is a disturbing circumstance in an already disturbing crisis  :(
Dagestan: Mob storms Russian airport in search of Jews https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67258332
It would have been terrifying on that plane.
That is certainly not something I would have predicted.

We are obviously in a new territory in terms of protests. This happened in NOLA at Tulane University. Again a very surprising (at least to me) turn of events.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/tulane-university-condemns-violence-dueling-palestinian-israel-protests-dark-day-for-our-community
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Why does it feel like 1938 all over again?

As if things can't get weirder... Jordan is requesting PATRIOTs from the US....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fears-of-war-they-are-requesting-assistance-from-the-united-states/ar-AA1j5MMW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=DCTS&cvid=ed28f9e15cc84cee966e0ff3f22949de&ei=18
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Folks you are on your own...Plan and act accordingly!

I will never claim to have all the answers. Depending upon the subject; I am also aware that I may not have all the questions much less the answers. As a result I am always willing to listen to others and work with them to arrive at the right answers to the applicable questions.

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Jewish college students are facing increased antisemitism from historically "safe spaces."

Echoing concerns at Cornell, Jewish students at Columbia University say they're experiencing antisemitism - CBS New York (cbsnews.com)
Echoing concerns at Cornell, Jewish students at Columbia University say they're experiencing antisemitism - CBS New York (cbsnews.com)

Cornell University Jewish Students Scared After Violent Threats (businessinsider.com)

Columbia University, Barnard College silent after faculty letter calls Hamas terrorist attack a legitimate 'military action' (jewishinsider.com)

I'm sorry, but I can't think of a single legitimate military action that can be taken against babies, children and others that don't have the ability to fight back.

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Magazine defunct since the 90s declares The Russian Army the Strongest in the World.

U.S. News e World Report: The Russian Army Is Right Now the Strongest in the World (msn.com) 

Disinformation has gotten.... bad. There are a number of on line channels posing as defunct reputable news sources.
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majorhavoc

Quote from: Uomo Senza Nome on October 31, 2023, 08:27:58 PMMagazine defunct since the 90s declares The Russian Army the Strongest in the World.

U.S. News e World Report: The Russian Army Is Right Now the Strongest in the World (msn.com)

Disinformation has gotten.... bad. There are a number of on line channels posing as defunct reputable news sources.
I thought the US military held that honor.  I always understood Russia had the second most powerful army in the world.  My understanding today is Russia has the second most powerful army ... in Ukraine.
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Quote from: Uomo Senza Nome on October 31, 2023, 08:27:58 PMMagazine defunct since the 90s declares The Russian Army the Strongest in the World.

U.S. News e World Report: The Russian Army Is Right Now the Strongest in the World (msn.com)

Disinformation has gotten.... bad. There are a number of on line channels posing as defunct reputable news sources.
I love the US News "e" World Report...that "e" makes it kosher. :rolleyes1:
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Hamas can make a lot of rockets out of all the water lines Israel installed in Gaza. This is going to continue for a while yet.
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Quote from: Anianna on April 01, 2024, 10:52:57 PMAid workers have been reportedly killed in an airstrike. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
Sadly, this is sometimes what happens when you work in a war zone, be it in Gaza or the South Bronx in the 70s.
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Quote from: Anianna on April 01, 2024, 10:52:57 PMAid workers have been reportedly killed in an airstrike. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
I think Central Kitchen does good work. Hard to tell what went wrong here but driving into a war zone is at best a risky proposition and at worst, simply asking for it. 

I provided security for a few UN teams while in Iraq as part of a secondary mission and those were some sweaty palm moments. I didn't want to be the guy that lost a UN team and ended up on the news. It didn't appear as though these had any escort at all.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes 'em afraid. "

"There's plain few problems can't be solved with a little sweat and hard work."

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Quote from: Uomo Senza Nome on April 06, 2024, 06:56:28 AM
Quote from: Anianna on April 01, 2024, 10:52:57 PMAid workers have been reportedly killed in an airstrike. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
I think Central Kitchen does good work. Hard to tell what went wrong here but driving into a war zone is at best a risky proposition and at worst, simply asking for it.

I provided security for a few UN teams while in Iraq as part of a secondary mission and those were some sweaty palm moments. I didn't want to be the guy that lost a UN team and ended up on the news. It didn't appear as though these had any escort at all.

I heard an interview with Jose Andres, and he sounds like a pretty solid guy, running a really respectable organization. Their response time in disaster-stricken areas is impressive. This is definitely a tragedy.

I've seen countless videos of drone strikes, but the photos of this one show that the level of precision is absolutely stunning. Again, this is a tragedy, and I wish the Israelis had killed the bad guys this time.

It raises an interesting question though; are we more likely to use precision guided munitions because there is comparatively little collateral damage? And if so, are more incidents like this the price we pay?


NT2C

Quote from: echo83 on April 06, 2024, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Uomo Senza Nome on April 06, 2024, 06:56:28 AM
Quote from: Anianna on April 01, 2024, 10:52:57 PMAid workers have been reportedly killed in an airstrike. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
I think Central Kitchen does good work. Hard to tell what went wrong here but driving into a war zone is at best a risky proposition and at worst, simply asking for it.

I provided security for a few UN teams while in Iraq as part of a secondary mission and those were some sweaty palm moments. I didn't want to be the guy that lost a UN team and ended up on the news. It didn't appear as though these had any escort at all.

I heard an interview with Jose Andres, and he sounds like a pretty solid guy, running a really respectable organization. Their response time in disaster-stricken areas is impressive. This is definitely a tragedy.

I've seen countless videos of drone strikes, but the photos of this one show that the level of precision is absolutely stunning. Again, this is a tragedy, and I wish the Israelis had killed the bad guys this time.

It raises an interesting question though; are we more likely to use precision guided munitions because there is comparatively little collateral damage? And if so, are more incidents like this the price we pay?


When you have an enemy that hides amidst a civilian population and uses them as human shields you will inevitably have incidents like this.  These aid workers know this going in.  They know they are putting their lives in jeopardy and I admire their courage and support their efforts but you cannot keep rolling the dice in a war zone and expect to win every time.
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An IDF rep stated that a Colonel and Major were relived for firing without clearance. They had only a partial ID of what they believed to be an HVT in one of the vehicles that turned out to be bogus.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-world-central-kitchen-gaza-aid-workers-69b6176362dafc8e4e2754b2342faa1d
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echo83

Quote from: NT2C on April 06, 2024, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: echo83 on April 06, 2024, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Uomo Senza Nome on April 06, 2024, 06:56:28 AM
Quote from: Anianna on April 01, 2024, 10:52:57 PMAid workers have been reportedly killed in an airstrike. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68710515
I think Central Kitchen does good work. Hard to tell what went wrong here but driving into a war zone is at best a risky proposition and at worst, simply asking for it.

I provided security for a few UN teams while in Iraq as part of a secondary mission and those were some sweaty palm moments. I didn't want to be the guy that lost a UN team and ended up on the news. It didn't appear as though these had any escort at all.

I heard an interview with Jose Andres, and he sounds like a pretty solid guy, running a really respectable organization. Their response time in disaster-stricken areas is impressive. This is definitely a tragedy.

I've seen countless videos of drone strikes, but the photos of this one show that the level of precision is absolutely stunning. Again, this is a tragedy, and I wish the Israelis had killed the bad guys this time.

It raises an interesting question though; are we more likely to use precision guided munitions because there is comparatively little collateral damage? And if so, are more incidents like this the price we pay?


When you have an enemy that hides amidst a civilian population and uses them as human shields you will inevitably have incidents like this.  These aid workers know this going in.  They know they are putting their lives in jeopardy and I admire their courage and support their efforts but you cannot keep rolling the dice in a war zone and expect to win every time.
I agree with you 100%. They're delivering aid, a noble endeavor in and of itself...but they're doing so in a warzone where one side places little to no value on innocent lives...and relies on innocents dying to further it's cause.

I'm of the opinion that PGMs have created an unrealistic expectation that strikes are surgical, clean, and always get the intended target. I remember watching newsreels from Desert Storm as a kid and being amazed at the accuracy of what I was seeing. 

Had this airstrike caved in the roofs of three bad SUVs, it would be a different story; this one was sad. 

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