ALICE, the most versitile ruck there is?

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tirls

Quote from: Ghost on July 06, 2022, 11:50:43 AMNext up is reevaluating the load out.
Next up are some pictures, surely.


Ghost

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Quote from: tirls on July 06, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: Ghost on July 06, 2022, 11:50:43 AMNext up is reevaluating the load out.
Next up are some pictures, surely.


Took some photos of the ruck and I'll try to get them uploaded tonight.

Also got out again on a hike with the pack last night. Covered 1 mile every 20 minutes for 4.5 total at a moderate pace. Shooting for Sunday for the next hike increasing to five miles total.

tirls

3 mph is a respectable average speed for hiking.

I am looking forward to your re-evaluation as well. I can go hiking for two weeks with 7 pounds but as soon as I try to pack a BOB I´m up to 20. :smiley_chinrub:

NapalmMan67

Quote from: tirls on July 07, 2022, 02:11:42 PM3 mph is a respectable average speed for hiking.


Yeah, my Dr. told me that years ago.  But I say everyone has their own pace, because when I set my treadmill to 3mph, it's uncomfortable for a workout.  My pace has always been slower than most others I've been around, 2-2.3mph is comfortable for me.  I always took up the rear in Boy Scouts when we went on hikes...  and still do 45 years later.


Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc-  Not just pretty words.

Ghost

As discussed, the revamped pack that is forming the basis for the other three:






Couple of notes:
Pack #1 (mine- 100% complete)
  • The Hultafors axe is perfect, love that thing, well worth the price, but not where I intent to carry it. Looking for a pouch  to secure it and have it go vertically. The space behind the three outside pockets works but gets in the way of the sleeping bag below.
  • This pack I got back in April at an Army/Navy surplus store. Liked it so much it became my primary pack and my testing has gone on with this one. Used the same frame from my original pack.
  • Haven't gotten to the unloading of the pack and deciding on load out; working on the next three and for the time being the weight is good for the workouts.

So with that in mind, here is where I stand with the remaining:

Pack #2 (75% complete)
  • Adding quick connect parachute buckles right now, as of writing this I just Dremeled off the metal hardware.
  • MOLLE waistband attached.
  • MOLLE shoulder straps attached.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #3 (50% complete)
  • This was my previous pack depicted on page 1
  • Quick connect buckles complete.
  • MOLLE waistband dyed and reassembled, but not sure about the set on the epoxy resin of the waist band connectors in the back. May just buy another and chalk this up to learning. EDIT just checked: the combination of epoxy along with liquid stitch? Holy crap its not going anywhere. I added the liquid stitch last night and then put it in vice clamp, worked really good
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #4 (0% complete)
  • Need to order quick connect buckles, but (likely) only need to order 3 more as I have some remaining from previous orders. (If I get on a role I might Dremel off the hardware tonight).
  • Need to order MOLLE waistband
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.
As you can see, Pack #4 needs the most work as I haven't done anything with it yet. Pack #4 also will need to be dyed. Its a bit too "bright" as it were so once I remove the metal hardware I'm going to dye it first then proceed.
NOTE: when I say complete I'm talking about them as ready to go as it were, no pack is every really complete.

An important closing thought: what to do in the interim? I think something that gets missed sometimes in prepping is "stop gaps" is it great to have top notch gear in everything? Sure, and damn expensive too. Sometimes you have to have interim measures in place, whether cheap or moderate or perhaps not even what you want. So why is this important. I have three bags that fill in for the BOB while I'm upgrading these to the same standard. The good news these are good REI ones so not a step down in quality but they are not uniform which is one of the things I'm trying to fix by standardization on ALICE packs.


tirls

I´ve got my axe secured with an ice axe loop if I need to take it somewhere. A simple loop at the bottom of the pack, feed the axe through from the top with the edge facing inward until the head catches on the loop and flip the handle toward the top. Secure the end of the handle with either another loop or carabiner. The axe sits vertically and if you don´t need it you can use the loop to attach other things. It´s a very lightweight option and very secure.
I like your solution with the sleeping bag attachment, might need to nick that.

Quote from: Ghost on July 07, 2022, 05:43:18 PMAn important closing thought: what to do in the interim? I think something that gets missed sometimes in prepping is "stop gaps" is it great to have top notch gear in everything? Sure, and damn expensive too. Sometimes you have to have interim measures in place, whether cheap or moderate or perhaps not even what you want. So why is this important. I have three bags that fill in for the BOB while I'm upgrading these to the same standard. The good news these are good REI ones so not a step down in quality but they are not uniform which is one of the things I'm trying to fix by standardization on ALICE packs.
You´re clearly good with modifying gear. Have you tried sewing things yourself? The markup on outdoor gear can be ridiculous. Things like tents and sleeping bags are surprisingly easy to make and often a lot lighter.

Love your idea of uniform packs for everyone.

Ghost

Quote from: tirls on July 08, 2022, 05:04:12 AMI´ve got my axe secured with an ice axe loop if I need to take it somewhere. A simple loop at the bottom of the pack, feed the axe through from the top with the edge facing inward until the head catches on the loop and flip the handle toward the top. Secure the end of the handle with either another loop or carabiner. The axe sits vertically and if you don´t need it you can use the loop to attach other things. It´s a very lightweight option and very secure.

I like your solution with the sleeping bag attachment, might need to nick that.

Quote from: Ghost on July 07, 2022, 05:43:18 PMAn important closing thought: what to do in the interim? I think something that gets missed sometimes in prepping is "stop gaps" is it great to have top notch gear in everything? Sure, and damn expensive too. Sometimes you have to have interim measures in place, whether cheap or moderate or perhaps not even what you want. So why is this important. I have three bags that fill in for the BOB while I'm upgrading these to the same standard. The good news these are good REI ones so not a step down in quality but they are not uniform which is one of the things I'm trying to fix by standardization on ALICE packs.
You´re clearly good with modifying gear. Have you tried sewing things yourself? The markup on outdoor gear can be ridiculous. Things like tents and sleeping bags are surprisingly easy to make and often a lot lighter.

Love your idea of uniform packs for everyone.
Many thanks, in order:
1. That is kinda what I'm thinking. I wonder if its something like this then, with what you are describing? https://www.amazon.com/leather-hammer-holder-distressed-hatchet/dp/B08NDQTGNV

2. Thanks for the complement, I think I might be able to get a sewing machine. I haven't sewed anything with one since my early teens. Passable by hand but I'd want it to be machine sewn. (parents of all boys wanted us to be able to do anything we might need to- I can sew, wife can't, I can; go figure!)

Might be a winter project: how light can I get it with maximum heat retention.

3. As far as the sleeping bag attached to bottom, feel free. Bags are well made and for the price can't beat it.

On the topic at hand:
1. 2nd pack is now 95% complete, just need to Flexiseal the inside flap.
2. All now have paracord handles. Might not look like it but they are all actually the same size. In fact the only one different is on mine. I made the other three tad bit bigger on purpose.


tirls

You can get used sewing machines for around 25-50. It doesn´t need to be a modern one either, I sew my things on an old handcrank Singer. Very thin fabrics can sometimes be slippery, silnylon for example, but that is really the only difficulty. Especially tents consist of nothing but long straight seams and it doesn´t even matter if they turn out slightly crooked. If you can hem a pair of trousers you make a tent or sleeping bag and the fabrics are all availably online.

Ice axe loops can sometimes be found on the bottom of hiking bags. I´ve got a simply loop of string that I feed through a gromet if I need one, but you can also sew one on or conect it to a daisy chain. You slide the axe in, turn it upside down and secure it at the top. I apologize for the flood of pictures.

Ghost

Work continues apace:
- inside of all packs done with Flexiseal.
- 3rd MOLLE waistband reassembled.
- metal connectors off 4th pack; attaching parachute buckles outside while drinking gin and tonic.  :smiley_knipoog:

Ghost

Quote from: tirls on July 09, 2022, 01:45:30 PMYou can get used sewing machines for around 25-50. It doesn´t need to be a modern one either, I sew my things on an old handcrank Singer. Very thin fabrics can sometimes be slippery, silnylon for example, but that is really the only difficulty. Especially tents consist of nothing but long straight seams and it doesn´t even matter if they turn out slightly crooked. If you can hem a pair of trousers you make a tent or sleeping bag and the fabrics are all availably online.

Ice axe loops can sometimes be found on the bottom of hiking bags. I´ve got a simply loop of string that I feed through a gromet if I need one, but you can also sew one on or conect it to a daisy chain. You slide the axe in, turn it upside down and secure it at the top. I apologize for the flood of pictures.
Dress/fix up that loop/rope! Lol

flybynight

Quote from: Ghost on July 07, 2022, 05:43:18 PMAs discussed, the revamped pack that is forming the basis for the other three:






Couple of notes:
Pack #1 (mine- 100% complete)
  • The Hultafors axe is perfect, love that thing, well worth the price, but not where I intent to carry it. Looking for a pouch  to secure it and have it go vertically. The space behind the three outside pockets works but gets in the way of the sleeping bag below.
  • This pack I got back in April at an Army/Navy surplus store. Liked it so much it became my primary pack and my testing has gone on with this one. Used the same frame from my original pack.
  • Haven't gotten to the unloading of the pack and deciding on load out; working on the next three and for the time being the weight is good for the workouts.

So with that in mind, here is where I stand with the remaining:

Pack #2 (75% complete)
  • Adding quick connect parachute buckles right now, as of writing this I just Dremeled off the metal hardware.
  • MOLLE waistband attached.
  • MOLLE shoulder straps attached.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #3 (50% complete)
  • This was my previous pack depicted on page 1
  • Quick connect buckles complete.
  • MOLLE waistband dyed and reassembled, but not sure about the set on the epoxy resin of the waist band connectors in the back. May just buy another and chalk this up to learning. EDIT just checked: the combination of epoxy along with liquid stitch? Holy crap its not going anywhere. I added the liquid stitch last night and then put it in vice clamp, worked really good
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #4 (0% complete)
  • Need to order quick connect buckles, but (likely) only need to order 3 more as I have some remaining from previous orders. (If I get on a role I might Dremel off the hardware tonight).
  • Need to order MOLLE waistband
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.
As you can see, Pack #4 needs the most work as I haven't done anything with it yet. Pack #4 also will need to be dyed. Its a bit too "bright" as it were so once I remove the metal hardware I'm going to dye it first then proceed.
NOTE: when I say complete I'm talking about them as ready to go as it were, no pack is every really complete.

An important closing thought: what to do in the interim? I think something that gets missed sometimes in prepping is "stop gaps" is it great to have top notch gear in everything? Sure, and damn expensive too. Sometimes you have to have interim measures in place, whether cheap or moderate or perhaps not even what you want. So why is this important. I have three bags that fill in for the BOB while I'm upgrading these to the same standard. The good news these are good REI ones so not a step down in quality but they are not uniform which is one of the things I'm trying to fix by standardization on ALICE packs.


So as deployed. What is the weight ?
"Hey idiot, you should feel your pulse, not see it."  Echo 83

Ghost

Quote from: flybynight on July 27, 2022, 12:12:24 PM
Quote from: Ghost on July 07, 2022, 05:43:18 PMAs discussed, the revamped pack that is forming the basis for the other three:






Couple of notes:
Pack #1 (mine- 100% complete)
  • The Hultafors axe is perfect, love that thing, well worth the price, but not where I intent to carry it. Looking for a pouch  to secure it and have it go vertically. The space behind the three outside pockets works but gets in the way of the sleeping bag below.
  • This pack I got back in April at an Army/Navy surplus store. Liked it so much it became my primary pack and my testing has gone on with this one. Used the same frame from my original pack.
  • Haven't gotten to the unloading of the pack and deciding on load out; working on the next three and for the time being the weight is good for the workouts.

So with that in mind, here is where I stand with the remaining:

Pack #2 (75% complete)
  • Adding quick connect parachute buckles right now, as of writing this I just Dremeled off the metal hardware.
  • MOLLE waistband attached.
  • MOLLE shoulder straps attached.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #3 (50% complete)
  • This was my previous pack depicted on page 1
  • Quick connect buckles complete.
  • MOLLE waistband dyed and reassembled, but not sure about the set on the epoxy resin of the waist band connectors in the back. May just buy another and chalk this up to learning. EDIT just checked: the combination of epoxy along with liquid stitch? Holy crap its not going anywhere. I added the liquid stitch last night and then put it in vice clamp, worked really good
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.

Pack #4 (0% complete)
  • Need to order quick connect buckles, but (likely) only need to order 3 more as I have some remaining from previous orders. (If I get on a role I might Dremel off the hardware tonight).
  • Need to order MOLLE waistband
  • Need to order MOLLE shoulder straps.
  • A few pieces of paracord in eyelets still to go.
  • Need to spray Flexiseal for underside of map flap.
  • Paracord carrying handle still to go.
As you can see, Pack #4 needs the most work as I haven't done anything with it yet. Pack #4 also will need to be dyed. Its a bit too "bright" as it were so once I remove the metal hardware I'm going to dye it first then proceed.
NOTE: when I say complete I'm talking about them as ready to go as it were, no pack is every really complete.

An important closing thought: what to do in the interim? I think something that gets missed sometimes in prepping is "stop gaps" is it great to have top notch gear in everything? Sure, and damn expensive too. Sometimes you have to have interim measures in place, whether cheap or moderate or perhaps not even what you want. So why is this important. I have three bags that fill in for the BOB while I'm upgrading these to the same standard. The good news these are good REI ones so not a step down in quality but they are not uniform which is one of the things I'm trying to fix by standardization on ALICE packs.


So as deployed. What is the weight ?
Right now? 30 LBs, looking to lighten the load however...

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