Quote from: TACAIR on Yesterday at 03:06:37 PMI would say -"to repair clothing"  as to make clothes, you will need access to bulk cloth.

Or - you will dig through rag bins looking for large enough scraps to put something wearable together.

Still, a solid video and thanks for posting it up here.

Quote from: NT2C on Yesterday at 04:33:35 PM

Quote from: Moab on February 01, 2026, 09:35:43 PM

Quote from: echo83 on January 30, 2026, 05:44:06 PMMy concern is wider spread adoption of what appears to be organized civil disobedience (I'm not even sure I know the actual definition of that) but bordering on something much more. The activists are turning violent and there is a huge spilt between local and federal law enforcement.

Minneapolis seems to have a long standing community of more radical activists. So maybe all of this is just centered there. But the media (meaning social and legacy) and officials seem to be more about stoking this into something bigger. Rather than civil safety.

The local police have literally abandoned these areas. Video shows intense demonstrations and the local pd turning around and driving away. Or not in those areas at all. Activists are policing the streets as if they are the local law enforcement.

I'm trying so hard to thread the needle here. If I'm out of line, please let me know.

What I'm kind of amazed at is that there hasn't been more violence between groups of civilians/protestors/counterprotestors. Debate the efficacy of local and federal law enforcement all you want, but their very presence, while inflammatory to certain groups of people, seems to me to be preventing this from devolving further. Is it because LEO in any form is a more attractive target than a group of civilians with an opposing viewpoint?

I have seen numerous videos of civilians blocking traffic and demanding that vehicle occupants prove they're not ICE. (For people fearful of a "papers, please" society, they're getting awfully close, themselves....but I digress.)

It's only a matter of time before this results in tragedy. Someone is going to get angry or panic, then mash the gas pedal, and someone is going to be hurt or killed.

It's a terrible analogy, but LEO is like flypaper in this situation. Everything is sticking to them instead of spreading throughout the area.

Threading the needle here myself.

I personally (and I feel like this might be the feeling in a larger group of folks) have lost all faith in legacy or traditional or major news. Whatever you want to call it.

We are certainly all in different algorithms. Which I think amplifies differences in a very significant way. And does nothing to bring sense to anything.

But the major news has been so disproportionately one sided. For so long. And in such an extreme fashion. I've lost faith in it completely. And if the ratings are any indication most Americans have too.

Which is to say I don't think that if there is a larger group of folks who disagree with the storyline - that that would get reported at all. Balanced reporting does not seem to exist anymore. Not even a counter point editorial. Except online in podcasts and social media.

More people have moved in that direction for information. But it's difficult to consider not having the "evening news" as an arbitor of reality. I think for some people not seeing the evening news as the gospel of reality. Sends them into an unknown world that brings a great deal of uncertainty and panic. The news provides a mental safety net. There was a time for many years when saying "I saw it on the news ".  Was the test for whether something was real or not. I think for many Americans, who have moved on to podcasts and social media, that idea no longer holds true. Seeing something in the news does not necessarily spell "reality" to them.

I guess what I'm getting at, @echo83 , is that I think there is a larger part of the population that is skeptical of the protests. Enough that they want nothing to do with it. And why we aren't seeing large counter protests.

But perhaps I'm stuck in enough of my own algorithm. That I don't see things clearly. Who knows?

One thing I know is that many Americans have been questioning information sources for a long time. To the extent that many alternative information podcasts routinely out perform the news. And the news ratings have plummeted for years.

What I see openly discussed online. Never gets discussed on the news. Not even mentioned. That alone is a red flag. Open, civil debate has been replaced. Polls are largely ignored and mistrusted.

It makes me wonder, much like the news, who is behind this? And if I can't even figure out who is behind this? Why would I place myself in that demonstration environment with so much obvious high possibility for violence?

I think most Americans are sensible. Have more in common than not. Are not at either end of the political spectrum. But that's what the news would have you believe. That we are all at one end of the spectrum. Or should be.

I think that's a message a large number of Americans are no longer participating in. Just not enough to oppose it in a foolhardy way like a counter protest. And let's be honest these are leaning way more towards a riot than a protest. I don't think anyone believes that a peaceful counter protest could remain that way for very long. And that you'd most likely be putting yourself in real danger.

I hope my skirting - skirted enough. My apologies if it didn't. And I'm more than willing to delete any or all of this.

I am of the opinion that so-called "news" organizations and "journalists" need to have their financial incentives and sponsorships trimmed back.  Just how to do this, I don't know, but so long as "the news" is brought to us by organizations that are beholden to financial sponsors, then that news is going to bend strongly in whatever direction that entity wants it to bend. 

Quote from: Moab on February 01, 2026, 09:35:43 PM

Quote from: echo83 on January 30, 2026, 05:44:06 PMMy concern is wider spread adoption of what appears to be organized civil disobedience (I'm not even sure I know the actual definition of that) but bordering on something much more. The activists are turning violent and there is a huge spilt between local and federal law enforcement.

Minneapolis seems to have a long standing community of more radical activists. So maybe all of this is just centered there. But the media (meaning social and legacy) and officials seem to be more about stoking this into something bigger. Rather than civil safety.

The local police have literally abandoned these areas. Video shows intense demonstrations and the local pd turning around and driving away. Or not in those areas at all. Activists are policing the streets as if they are the local law enforcement.

I'm trying so hard to thread the needle here. If I'm out of line, please let me know.

What I'm kind of amazed at is that there hasn't been more violence between groups of civilians/protestors/counterprotestors. Debate the efficacy of local and federal law enforcement all you want, but their very presence, while inflammatory to certain groups of people, seems to me to be preventing this from devolving further. Is it because LEO in any form is a more attractive target than a group of civilians with an opposing viewpoint?

I have seen numerous videos of civilians blocking traffic and demanding that vehicle occupants prove they're not ICE. (For people fearful of a "papers, please" society, they're getting awfully close, themselves....but I digress.)

It's only a matter of time before this results in tragedy. Someone is going to get angry or panic, then mash the gas pedal, and someone is going to be hurt or killed.

It's a terrible analogy, but LEO is like flypaper in this situation. Everything is sticking to them instead of spreading throughout the area.

Threading the needle here myself.

I personally (and I feel like this might be the feeling in a larger group of folks) have lost all faith in legacy or traditional or major news. Whatever you want to call it.

We are certainly all in different algorithms. Which I think amplifies differences in a very significant way. And does nothing to bring sense to anything.

But the major news has been so disproportionately one sided. For so long. And in such an extreme fashion. I've lost faith in it completely. And if the ratings are any indication most Americans have too.

Which is to say I don't think that if there is a larger group of folks who disagree with the storyline - that that would get reported at all. Balanced reporting does not seem to exist anymore. Not even a counter point editorial. Except online in podcasts and social media.

More people have moved in that direction for information. But it's difficult to consider not having the "evening news" as an arbitor of reality. I think for some people not seeing the evening news as the gospel of reality. Sends them into an unknown world that brings a great deal of uncertainty and panic. The news provides a mental safety net. There was a time for many years when saying "I saw it on the news ".  Was the test for whether something was real or not. I think for many Americans, who have moved on to podcasts and social media, that idea no longer holds true. Seeing something in the news does not necessarily spell "reality" to them.

I guess what I'm getting at, @echo83 , is that I think there is a larger part of the population that is skeptical of the protests. Enough that they want nothing to do with it. And why we aren't seeing large counter protests.

But perhaps I'm stuck in enough of my own algorithm. That I don't see things clearly. Who knows?

One thing I know is that many Americans have been questioning information sources for a long time. To the extent that many alternative information podcasts routinely out perform the news. And the news ratings have plummeted for years.

What I see openly discussed online. Never gets discussed on the news. Not even mentioned. That alone is a red flag. Open, civil debate has been replaced. Polls are largely ignored and mistrusted.

It makes me wonder, much like the news, who is behind this? And if I can't even figure out who is behind this? Why would I place myself in that demonstration environment with so much obvious high possibility for violence?

I think most Americans are sensible. Have more in common than not. Are not at either end of the political spectrum. But that's what the news would have you believe. That we are all at one end of the spectrum. Or should be.

I think that's a message a large number of Americans are no longer participating in. Just not enough to oppose it in a foolhardy way like a counter protest. And let's be honest these are leaning way more towards a riot than a protest. I don't think anyone believes that a peaceful counter protest could remain that way for very long. And that you'd most likely be putting yourself in real danger.

I hope my skirting - skirted enough. My apologies if it didn't. And I'm more than willing to delete any or all of this.

Quote from: echo83 on January 30, 2026, 05:44:06 PMIt's only a matter of time before this results in tragedy. Someone is going to get angry or panic, then mash the gas pedal, and someone is going to be hurt or killed.

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