Movies/TV shows where they don't have enough calibre (and should)

[Red Tamarillo]

Coming back to this forum and can't find a guns section (is that deliberate as there's plenty of other gun forums?), but have noticed over the years some typical movie/TV fails- you know like going back to those 80's karate/ninja movies where the hero is fighting baddies with guns and takes them down with their hands/feet but doesn't pick up the gun. Or noone picks up extra ammo from the baddy (ignoring early insurgent history/strategy- take the better guns and all the ammo to replace your farmers weapons- even apparent in the new Rebel Moon movies- they don't pick up all the guns/ammo from the first wave they killed- sloppy writing- as the second wave still had better firepower).

But there have been lots of recent (10 years old or younger) movies/shows where the threat is a T rex or some kind of alien or Transformer with some kind of mass or armour which needs a bit more oomph, and the heroes prepare (appallingly for the threat) with some kind of 9mm pistol or .556 (against a T rex- I have the Rexgun book by Stephen Templar for example). Even the 24 TV series had Jack Bauer driving up in a black SUV season after season decanting from said SUV which has cubic feet/metres of storage space....with his pistol... to fight various baddies armed with longarms.

I also have books by traditional UK hunters (like Kenneth Anderson) back in colonial India days who took it upon themselves to hunt people eating Tigers (as the locals had been deweaponised since the Indian Mutiny), one of them from memory (me moving so books packed up) recommended at least 0.4 elephant gun double barrelled, with 12 gauge double barrelled shotgun (one barrel large shot, other slug) as backup- with a reliable second person backing you up- reliable not always happened. Pretty scary stuff with goats picketed and up a tree in a platform, or overlooking the remains of some poor dead half eaten woman killed out in the fields.
Even the (cool) Tremors movie didn't have everyone with an elephant gun (which was a fail).

Anyways- a whatif/proper load out Commando style (the movie where he breaks into the gun shop and loads up his trolley) question. You guys/gals would have noticed this as well.

Often it also feels like the screenwriters write the people we're meant to bond with as 'negatives' rather than 'zeroes' i.e. Fear the Walking Dead was the classic example of this (and I gave up watching it)- in early episodes the family saw smoke and blackhawks and neighbours acting weird and played board games without even putting a chair against their front door or getting their baseball bat or kitchen knife or even hammer- a baseball bat or kitchen knife or hammer is not a big ask. I wasn't expecting them to go to their matrix style wardrobe full of gunracks, but a baseball bat would have been a 'zero' level (taking into account there's a story arc where the survivors end up being able to kick ass thru their experiences, the screen writers don't seem to understand they can do the arc from zero, they don't need to do it from an unbelievable negative position). The Maori dude was also unbelievable as he was scripted as a negative rather than a zero. Maori dudes go through a lot.

Though maybe the negative is true? Due to everyday people (outside of gun owning countries) being conditioned to worry they might get in trouble if they arm themselves in survival situations. Here in Australia there was recently a mass stabbing at a shopping centre (Bondi Junction Stabbing). As part of the news there was CCTV footage released of a young asian girl worker (not stabbed i.e. turned out to be a bystander) in a food shop crouching behind a counter (legitimately) scared, who picked up a food prep knife, then after a few moments put it in the rubbish bin, whilst the active stabbing was happening elsewhere. She presumably put it in the rubbish bin because she wasn't prepared to stab someone else to protect her life (understandable), or more likely I was thinking was probably unsure about what she was 'allowed to do'.

Recently they raised our terror alert level on the TV with the prime minister etc... But there was nothing about giving anyone any extra legal means to protect themselves or carry anything (because it would give dheads open slather as well). Not even the security guards got pepper spray. So we're left with waiting x minutes for armed cops whilst being stabbed, or trying to find a chair or narwhal tusk. It seemed like a waste of time.

[Red Tamarillo]

I should also say re 9mm I have read that article about the jeweller Lance Thomas by Massad Ayoob, with the takeaway- having lots of rounds is beneficial (against non Aliens/T rexes).

[NT2C]

Cough cough...

https://ufozs.com/smf/index.php?board=28.0

[MacWa77ace]

Well I've noticed in more recent movies that the protagonist has to have some sort of fatal flaw like alcohol or drugs, or mental illness. There have been a bunch where they are even dying and have to complete their quest before they die. Also all pre teen boys have ADHD and either the pre teen boys or girls have asthma or a deadly food allergy. Also that the criminals and bad guys are the actual protagonists in film these days. So you end up rooting for the not as bad as the bad guys going after the bad guy.

Back in the A-Team movie gun era, their six shooters could fire about 120 rounds. And anything semi or full auto had an infinite ammo hack. Even double barrel shotguns could fire 3 and 4 shots before reloading.

They're doing better these days. But I have this really bad habit, comes with experience, where when i hear the first shot i start counting shots and so I know if they got it right with the round count or not. When they get the round count right, they tend to get the mag count wrong though. Yeah is that 10 mags in your pants or are you just glad to see me?

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

It's gotten to the point where I can tell where they spliced together a scene in post production nowadays.

Example, the final shooting scene in "Open Range". Particularly the part where Kevin Costner fires about 12 shots out of Colt SAA at one bad guy. Doesn't ruin the movie for me, though. I still like it, but I can definitely tell where they edited the shot in post.

[MacWa77ace]

@12_Gauge_Chimp was that the scene in the alley with the doctor's sister as a hostage/shield? He did have two guns and just reloaded both. 

That's the other thing, back pre 2000's they didn't show mag changes or reloads that much. Especially in the TV shows.

I remember in Species the Michael Madsen character was supposed to be a Security and Firearms expert, they didn't give him one tip on how to look like he'd ever held a gun before. I know he was doing his best to look 'cool' but Embarrassing.

[MacWa77ace]

Here's one, the elbo grip.



And the three finger low ready.



He did that loose grip so much it was ridiculous.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

@12_Gauge_Chimp was that the scene in the alley with the doctor's sister as a hostage/shield? He did have two guns and just reloaded both. 

That's the other thing, back pre 2000's they didn't show mag changes or reloads that much. Especially in the TV shows.

I remember in Species the Michael Madsen character was supposed to be a Security and Firearms expert, they didn't give him one tip on how to look like he'd ever held a gun before. I know he was doing his best to look 'cool' but Embarrassing.

Wrong scene.

This is the one I'm talking about.
 

https://youtu.be/eWn7rxCxCmo?si=INqRPZZMvuk_OhKS

Specifically around the part where Robert Duvall's character gets hit and Costner's reacts.

So around the 1:04 mark, I'd say ?

[Anianna]

@12_Gauge_Chimp was that the scene in the alley with the doctor's sister as a hostage/shield? He did have two guns and just reloaded both. 

That's the other thing, back pre 2000's they didn't show mag changes or reloads that much. Especially in the TV shows.

I remember in Species the Michael Madsen character was supposed to be a Security and Firearms expert, they didn't give him one tip on how to look like he'd ever held a gun before. I know he was doing his best to look 'cool' but Embarrassing.

Wrong scene.

This is the one I'm talking about.
 

https://youtu.be/eWn7rxCxCmo?si=INqRPZZMvuk_OhKS

Specifically around the part where Robert Duvall's character gets hit and Costner's reacts.

So around the 1:04 mark, I'd say ?

The one guy flying backwards from pistol fire to the groin/leg area was a little overacted. 

[MacWa77ace]

Specifically around the part where Robert Duvall's character gets hit and Costner's reacts.

So around the 1:04 mark, I'd say ?

Oooooh yeah, LOL. Wow. 

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

@12_Gauge_Chimp was that the scene in the alley with the doctor's sister as a hostage/shield? He did have two guns and just reloaded both. 

That's the other thing, back pre 2000's they didn't show mag changes or reloads that much. Especially in the TV shows.

I remember in Species the Michael Madsen character was supposed to be a Security and Firearms expert, they didn't give him one tip on how to look like he'd ever held a gun before. I know he was doing his best to look 'cool' but Embarrassing.

Wrong scene.

This is the one I'm talking about.
 

https://youtu.be/eWn7rxCxCmo?si=INqRPZZMvuk_OhKS

Specifically around the part where Robert Duvall's character gets hit and Costner's reacts.

So around the 1:04 mark, I'd say ?

The one guy flying backwards from pistol fire to the groin/leg area was a little overacted. 

Wait til you see the scene with the guy getting hit with both barrels of Robert Duvall's coachgun through a wooden wall.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I'm pretty sure it don't work that way.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

Specifically around the part where Robert Duvall's character gets hit and Costner's reacts.

So around the 1:04 mark, I'd say ?

Oooooh yeah, LOL. Wow. 

I can sort of forgive that bit because it's clearly a couple different shots edited together and apparently continuity went out the window during post.

[MacWa77ace]

Wait til you see the scene with the guy getting hit with both barrels of Robert Duvall's coachgun through a wooden wall.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I'm pretty sure it don't work that way.

Yeah there's this science thing called equal and opposite reaction.

1 part of the three laws.  See Newton

[NT2C]

Wait til you see the scene with the guy getting hit with both barrels of Robert Duvall's coachgun through a wooden wall.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I'm pretty sure it don't work that way.

Yeah there's this science thing called equal and opposite reaction.

1 part of the three laws.  See Newton

Aww, fig!

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

Wait til you see the scene with the guy getting hit with both barrels of Robert Duvall's coachgun through a wooden wall.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I'm pretty sure it don't work that way.

Yeah there's this science thing called equal and opposite reaction.

1 part of the three laws.  See Newton

Good example of Newton's Law being totally ignored is "Last Man Standing" with Bruce Willis.

Dude's got a pair of 1911s with the infinite ammo perk and physics apparently doesn't exist in Texas in the 1930's because guys are just flying all over the place after getting shot with a .45.